Rajon Rondo breaks hand, has surgery, out indefinitely

[Captain_Caveman]

This, combined with a possible Smart emergence as a quality starting PG/SG, could really lower Rondo's value to the 12-14 million dollar range.

Wost case scenario, Rondo's 13 million coming off the books could be a great way to go after a big-time center, and Danny has the option to stretch Wallace next year, which would free up at least 19-20 million when you include Rondo's expiring 13 million.

None of this will happen.

For starters, cap may go up to $70m next summer if the league implements the rumored "smoothing". Look at what Bledsoe just got. 5 years, $70m. You think Rondo might get $12-14m?

And a big-time center coming to a young team without Rondo on it? Do you really see Marc Gasol doing that?

Probably the only scenario in which Wallace would even be considered to be stretched, although a remote possibility compared to the idea of just attaching a late 1st or two to him to get some rebuilding team needing to reach the salary floor to bite.

Bledsoe just got 14/year, and is much younger than Rondo. Teams probably won't want to be paying Rondo 16-20 million when he's 33-34. Especially since he can't shoot, his game is substantially based on athleticism, he's injury prone, and is widely understood to be uncoachable.

Teams don't roll the dice on older, limited guys like that like they used to.

Yeah, no.

Not only could the cap go up to $70m next summer, it *will* go up to around $84m by 2017. And the risk is even further mitigated by virtue of the shorter guaranteed contracts that limits other teams to offering him only 4 years next summer.

[NL41]

None of this will happen.

For starters, cap may go up to $70m next summer if the league implements the rumored "smoothing". Look at what Bledsoe just got. 5 years, $70m. You think Rondo might get $12-14m?

And a big-time center coming to a young team without Rondo on it? Do you really see Marc Gasol doing that?

Probably the only scenario in which Wallace would even be considered to be stretched, although a remote possibility compared to the idea of just attaching a late 1st or two to him to get some rebuilding team needing to reach the salary floor to bite.

Bledsoe just got 14/year, and is much younger than Rondo. Teams probably won't want to be paying Rondo 16-20 million when he's 33-34. Especially since he can't shoot, his game is substantially based on athleticism, he's injury prone, and is widely understood to be uncoachable.

Teams don't roll the dice on older, limited guys like that like they used to.

Yeah, no.

Not only could the cap go up to $70m next summer, it *will* go up to around $84m by 2017. And the risk is even further mitigated by virtue of the shorter guaranteed contracts that limits other teams to offering him only 4 years next summer.

A four year deal at the end of which Rondo would be 34.5 years old. Yeah, no.

[KGboss]

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[Captain_Caveman]

Bledsoe just got 14/year, and is much younger than Rondo. Teams probably won't want to be paying Rondo 16-20 million when he's 33-34. Especially since he can't shoot, his game is substantially based on athleticism, he's injury prone, and is widely understood to be uncoachable.

Teams don't roll the dice on older, limited guys like that like they used to.

Yeah, no.

Not only could the cap go up to $70m next summer, it *will* go up to around $84m by 2017. And the risk is even further mitigated by virtue of the shorter guaranteed contracts that limits other teams to offering him only 4 years next summer.

A four year deal at the end of which Rondo would be 34.5 years old. Yeah, no.

A 4 year contract next summer would cover him from years 29.5 to 33.5, usually considered to be a player's prime.

[humblebum]

No one really knows what the market for Rondo will be. There will be plenty of front offices and coaches who'll want to stray away from Rondo due to conflicts of style or personnel.

Then of course Rondo will only be willing to go to certain places rather than stay in Boston on a company man type deal.

[NL41]

Yeah, no.

Not only could the cap go up to $70m next summer, it *will* go up to around $84m by 2017. And the risk is even further mitigated by virtue of the shorter guaranteed contracts that limits other teams to offering him only 4 years next summer.

A four year deal at the end of which Rondo would be 34.5 years old. Yeah, no.

A 4 year contract next summer would cover him from years 29.5 to 33.5, usually considered to be a player's prime.

Prime age for bigs, but not point guards. Point guards are like the running backs of basketball. They peak earliest, and their effectiveness after age 30 is unreliable and subject to steep decline in play.

If Rondo could shoot like JKidd or Billups it would be one thing.

[Captain_Caveman]

A four year deal at the end of which Rondo would be 34.5 years old. Yeah, no.

A 4 year contract next summer would cover him from years 29.5 to 33.5, usually considered to be a player's prime.

Prime age for bigs, but not point guards. Point guards are like the running backs of basketball. They peak earliest, and their effectiveness after age 30 is unreliable and subject to steep decline in play.

If Rondo could shoot like JKidd or Billups it would be one thing.

At 28 years of age, as Rondo is now, Kidd shot 39% from the field. Was 40% for his career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... dja01.html

[NL41]

Teams don't want to get into a Deron Williams type contract.

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Teams don't want to get into a Deron Williams type contract.

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[SuperDeluxe]

Prime age for bigs, but not point guards. Point guards are like the running backs of basketball. They peak earliest, and their effectiveness after age 30 is unreliable and subject to steep decline in play.

Steve Nash says hi.

[Captain_Caveman]

No one really knows what the market for Rondo will be. There will be plenty of front offices and coaches who'll want to stray away from Rondo due to conflicts of style or personnel.

Then of course Rondo will only be willing to go to certain places rather than stay in Boston on a company man type deal.

All one can do is look at how it is shaping up. When you look at the potential cap jump and scan the attainable FA field, it's pretty likely IMO that Rondo will be near the top of the FA list.

[NL41]

Prime age for bigs, but not point guards. Point guards are like the running backs of basketball. They peak earliest, and their effectiveness after age 30 is unreliable and subject to steep decline in play.

Steve Nash says hi.

Rondo is no Steve Nash, although Rondo could probably get a job working for Refrigerator Perry laying bricks:

[FeedReed]

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Make your own conclusions.

[humblebum]

No one really knows what the market for Rondo will be. There will be plenty of front offices and coaches who'll want to stray away from Rondo due to conflicts of style or personnel.

Then of course Rondo will only be willing to go to certain places rather than stay in Boston on a company man type deal.

All one can do is look at how it is shaping up. When you look at the potential cap jump and scan the attainable FA field, it's pretty likely IMO that Rondo will be near the top of the FA list.

Rondo is not really one of those can't miss guys though. As impactful as he can be the reality is that most coaches and organizations want/need shooting from their PG position. So whatever the "market" is shaping up in general, it may or may not pertain to Rondo's specific situation. He's a guy who will limit the field of teams on his own and other teams will have better players at his position on the team or available in free agency (Dragic).

And of course, a ton will depend on his play this year. He's an ankle turn or dispute with Brad from becoming labeled injury prone and/or a malcontent. If he isn't effective this season like he was for much of his return last season he could be an injury prone underperforming malcontent.

Basically a lot is riding on Rondo's performance this year. And how the team shapes up this season in relation to other viable suitors is also important.

We'll see how things develop but I don't think there is much reason to believe that the market for Rondo will be all that crazy. He'll likely get a few solid offers but it'll take a huge season to draw a max deal. I don't believe the Knicks will be at all interested due to incompatibility with the Triangle. And I just don't see a ton of money out West outside of LA and Sacramento (who don't project to be much more competitive in the West than the Celtics will be in the East. Dallas and Houston will be there but the Celtics will be able to offer more money and a stronger legacy.

[brackdan70]

Prime age for bigs, but not point guards. Point guards are like the running backs of basketball. They peak earliest, and their effectiveness after age 30 is unreliable and subject to steep decline in play.

Steve Nash says hi.

outlier

[GuyClinch]

It only takes one interested team to have a big market for a guy. This hand injury is overblown he will be back in full force in no time from this. He will have a good year - whether that's a max contract year or not depends on how teams evaluate it.. but 14/6/11.

The question is do the C's want him to have a big year? I think a big year makes it more likely he goes and a bad year more likely he stays..

[LongTimeFan]

Might I make an obscure point about Rondo and being traded. In some accounts Rondo admits to being OCD. I guess he takes 5 showers on game day? This is how he broke his hand.

From wikipedia, "Its sufferers commonly share personality traits such as high attention to detail, avoidance of risk, careful planning, exaggerated sense of responsibility and a tendency to take time in making decisions." Changing teams is a huge risk. When the time comes (and apparently it will be the very last minute) his exaggerated sense of responsibility will incline him to stay as his desire to avoid risk.

In addition, he cannot fault the team for poor performance, because he self injured. And our worsened record will also give us a better drafting position.

Yes this sucks. On the other hand, it may be sucks now, and sucks a lot less later.

[Captain_Caveman]

No one really knows what the market for Rondo will be. There will be plenty of front offices and coaches who'll want to stray away from Rondo due to conflicts of style or personnel.

Then of course Rondo will only be willing to go to certain places rather than stay in Boston on a company man type deal.

All one can do is look at how it is shaping up. When you look at the potential cap jump and scan the attainable FA field, it's pretty likely IMO that Rondo will be near the top of the FA list.

Rondo is not really one of those can't miss guys though. As impactful as he can be the reality is that most coaches and organizations want/need shooting from their PG position. So whatever the "market" is shaping up in general, it may or may not pertain to Rondo's specific situation. He's a guy who will limit the field of teams on his own and other teams will have better players at his position on the team or available in free agency (Dragic).

And of course, a ton will depend on his play this year. He's an ankle turn or dispute with Brad from becoming labeled injury prone and/or a malcontent. If he isn't effective this season like he was for much of his return last season he could be an injury prone underperforming malcontent.

Basically a lot is riding on Rondo's performance this year. And how the team shapes up this season in relation to other viable suitors is also important.

We'll see how things develop but I don't think there is much reason to believe that the market for Rondo will be all that crazy. He'll likely get a few solid offers but it'll take a huge season to draw a max deal. I don't believe the Knicks will be at all interested due to incompatibility with the Triangle. And I just don't see a ton of money out West outside of LA and Sacramento (who don't project to be much more competitive in the West than the Celtics will be in the East. Dallas and Houston will be there but the Celtics will be able to offer more money and a stronger legacy.

Sure, but how crazy does it have to be for him to exceed $15m per halfway through an unprecedented cap jump in a weak FA market?

As to the cap room that will be out there, bet that 1-2 teams will create it if it means getting Rondo without having to give up much of a return. Warriors freed up $24m instantaneously last summer when they had a shot at Iguodala. Not that hard to do... Philly only received a late 2nd a few hours ago for taking on Bogans' salary.

Yeah, no one knows what is going to happen, but if one's expectation is to get a healthy Rondo at $12-14m per next summer, I think they are in for some disappointment. That's going to be 6th man money in two years.

[Captain_Caveman]

Prime age for bigs, but not point guards. Point guards are like the running backs of basketball. They peak earliest, and their effectiveness after age 30 is unreliable and subject to steep decline in play.

Steve Nash says hi.

outlier

There are several other like Stockton and Kidd, and modern medicine is prolonging careers as we speak. With that said, the point that NL is failing to make here is that teams would be paying for an old Rondo next summer, when again, a 4-year deal would cover him from the ages of 29.5 to 33.5.

Further, unless I missed the part where this team didn't play the slowest tempo in the league during most of his tenure with us, Rondo's game doesn't rely on athleticism as much as it does BBIQ and playmaking.