The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[CelticsLV]

One concern I do have with Horford/Cousins, if it were to happen is how it would affect the pace of the team. They are going to be slow. How well would they match up against Love/LeBron or Thompson/LeBron when they go small. How about Durant/Green? And how is Boogie going to act when he sits on the bench because he can't keep up with the smaller 4s/5s?

That's why i believe Stevens doesn't even want him here. Cousins doesn't fit his ideology - bigs that can run and shoot, that's why he likes Zeller so much.

[OFWGKTA]

One concern I do have with Horford/Cousins, if it were to happen is how it would affect the pace of the team. They are going to be slow. How well would they match up against Love/LeBron or Thompson/LeBron when they go small. How about Durant/Green? And how is Boogie going to act when he sits on the bench because he can't keep up with the smaller 4s/5s?

That's why i believe Stevens doesn't even want him here. Cousins doesn't fit his ideology - bigs that can run and shoot, that's why he likes Zeller so much.

Well Cousins is shooting 39% from 3 on 4.3 attempts per game this year, 33% on 3.2 attempts last year. For reference Al Horford this year is shooting 38.5% on 3.3 attempts, and 34.4% on 3.1 attempts last year.

[RickyDizzle]

One concern I do have with Horford/Cousins, if it were to happen is how it would affect the pace of the team. They are going to be slow. How well would they match up against Love/LeBron or Thompson/LeBron when they go small. How about Durant/Green? And how is Boogie going to act when he sits on the bench because he can't keep up with the smaller 4s/5s?

I think they'd only play together for about 20 minutes per game. You play Cousins 36 minutes a game at the 5, Horford backs him up for the other 12 minutes/game at Center. Then you give give Horford 20 minutes as the starting PF. With Horford playing 20 minutes at PF and all of Cousins backup minutes, you always have one of them on the floor at all time and only have two of them on the court for 20 minutes.

36 min/game Cousins all at Center
32 min/game Horford, 20 at PF and 12 at Center

This leaves the other 28 PF minutes for Olynyk, Jerebko, Crowder, Amir or whatever combination is left after the Cousins trade (likely a subset of this group).

Dizzy

[Fencer reregistered]

One concern I do have with Horford/Cousins, if it were to happen is how it would affect the pace of the team. They are going to be slow. How well would they match up against Love/LeBron or Thompson/LeBron when they go small. How about Durant/Green? And how is Boogie going to act when he sits on the bench because he can't keep up with the smaller 4s/5s?

I think they'd only play together for about 20 minutes per game. You play Cousins 36 minutes a game at the 5, Horford backs him up for the other 12 minutes/game at Center. Then you give give Horford 20 minutes as the starting PF. With Horford playing 20 minutes at PF and all of Cousins backup minutes, you always have one of them on the floor at all time and only have two of them on the court for 20 minutes.

36 min/game Cousins all at Center
32 min/game Horford, 20 at PF and 12 at Center

This leaves the other 28 PF minutes for Olynyk, Jerebko, Crowder, Amir or whatever combination is left after the Cousins trade (likely a subset of this group).

Dizzy

I mainly agree, but the 5-best-guys line-up is of special importance, because that's what you want to use in crunch time of close game.

That said -- I'm not much concerned about the "problem" of having two good big guys playing together for significant minutes. If one of them gets stuck playing against a quicker stretch 4:

-- He has to expend more cardio energy on defense.
-- He gets banged around less in the post than if he were playing inside on defense.
-- He gets a more relaxing role on offense involving more perimeter shooting.

Not a bad trade-off.

[CelticsLV]

One concern I do have with Horford/Cousins, if it were to happen is how it would affect the pace of the team. They are going to be slow. How well would they match up against Love/LeBron or Thompson/LeBron when they go small. How about Durant/Green? And how is Boogie going to act when he sits on the bench because he can't keep up with the smaller 4s/5s?

That's why i believe Stevens doesn't even want him here. Cousins doesn't fit his ideology - bigs that can run and shoot, that's why he likes Zeller so much.

Well Cousins is shooting 39% from 3 on 4.3 attempts per game this year, 33% on 3.2 attempts last year. For reference Al Horford this year is shooting 38.5% on 3.3 attempts, and 34.4% on 3.1 attempts last year.

Yeah but he's slow moving center who isn't particularly good at rim protection or defensive rotations. Cousins lumbers just like 60 year old Amir with even less defensive awareness.
His strenght is high usage offense through him. IMO he would't fit with IT at all.

[Froob]

One concern I do have with Horford/Cousins, if it were to happen is how it would affect the pace of the team. They are going to be slow. How well would they match up against Love/LeBron or Thompson/LeBron when they go small. How about Durant/Green? And how is Boogie going to act when he sits on the bench because he can't keep up with the smaller 4s/5s?

That's why i believe Stevens doesn't even want him here. Cousins doesn't fit his ideology - bigs that can run and shoot, that's why he likes Zeller so much.

Well Cousins is shooting 39% from 3 on 4.3 attempts per game this year, 33% on 3.2 attempts last year. For reference Al Horford this year is shooting 38.5% on 3.3 attempts, and 34.4% on 3.1 attempts last year.

Cousins is a good passer too isn't he? Honestly I'd be ****ing psyched if we could even get our hands on a TT esque player. Just someone to play defense and clean up the boards.

[klemen4]

Brk 17, brk 18, brown ... Sac will want.

Brk 17, brk 18, rozier ...that I would be ok with.

Brk 17, brk 18, Bradley to 3 team bringing another asset to sac...looking ahead this would be the best move if we can sign fa Hayward in summer, what is a high possibility.

For 2017:
It, Hayward, crowder, horford, cousins
With
Rozier, smart, brown, olynyk bench.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

If the Celtics think they can sign Hayward: Bradley to one of Philly, New Orleans, Minnesota, et al. for a 2017 Pick - perhaps Bradley to Philly for The Lakers Pick and Noel - that pick and a young player sent to the Kings along with Brown, 2017 Nets, argue over Zizic or
Yabu going in the deal, Rozier, maybe 2019 Memphis (let Ainge fight it out), 2018 Boston for Cousins and McLemore.

If it's not possible Cap Wise to acquire both Cousins and Hayward: Brown, Crowder, 2017 Nets, Rozier, Yabu or Zizic,
2018 Celts, 2019 Memphis, perhaps Olynyk for Cousins, Gay, and McLemore.

[Fencer reregistered]

Brk 17, brk 18, brown ... Sac will want.

Brk 17, brk 18, rozier ...that I would be ok with.

Brk 17, brk 18, Bradley to 3 team bringing another asset to sac...looking ahead this would be the best move if we can sign fa Hayward in summer, what is a high possibility.

For 2017:
It, Hayward, crowder, horford, cousins
With
Rozier, smart, brown, olynyk bench.

The obvious third team in any deal that weakens Sac short-term is Philly, as they're holding Sac picks whose value would be increased by such a deal. E.g., give them the less valuable Brooklyn pick and Bradley, and have them give all the Sac picks they have back to Sac. (I think it's mainly one unprotected pick plus a swap.)

Problem -- Divac gave those picks away pretty much for nothing, so it's hard to envision him acknowledging now that they have high value.

[Jkam31]

You must be under the impression that Boston is the only one after him?

Ainge on the radio this morning saying he anticipates that trade talk will heat up mid-December.

TRANSLATION: WE ARE TRADING TYLER ZELLER

Seriously though, we all know Ainge doesn't shy away from bad characters (Rondo, Ricky Davis). And we all know that at the end of the day he values talent more than what his coach thinks (remember when Danny traded for Ricky Davis, and Jim O'Brien got upset because he lost good locker room guys in Eric Williams and Tony Battie, leading to his resignation?). Obviously, Brad Stevens is a greater coach than Obie ever was, but I'm beginning to think that Ainge just says "**** it. Let's roll the dice!" and deals for Cousins.

I just hope that he doesn't give up both Nets picks in a deal, because that's an overpayment. And if we do go down that road with Cousins, the least Ainge could do is get back Papagiannis or WCS in the deal.

Both picks are too much. I have little faith in Cousins re-signing in Sac town once his contract is up. They should be happy with 1 BKN pick and some some players. If they demand 2 picks, I say sit tight, roll the dice and try signing him outright when his contract is up to partner with the BKN pick draftees

Who do the cavs even put on Cousins he might average 49 vs TT

I'm sorry, but I think the idea that Demarcus Cousins is gonna lead us past the Lebron/Love/Kyrie Cavs is just crazy. Probably a little homerism/green goggles in that assessment. We'd need at least another all star, probably a top 15 player (on top of Cousins) to compete with them. And if you give up every asset we have then good look getting that to happen. This is the best Love has played in Cleveland, and it's Kyrie's best season ever. Lebron is cruising to averaging a near triple double right now too. Cousins has never led a team anywhere near the Playoffs, let alone to championship contendership.

I would probably do it for one Nets pick (preferably 2018), but I'd still be hesitant with that. Both picks and Jaylen? You only make a move like that for a player who puts us all the way over the top.

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[Green89]

Two trade scenarios thrown out on Boston.com:

Celtics trade Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Amir Johnson, the 2017 Brooklyn first round pick swap and Brooklyn’s 2018 unprotected first round pick for DeMarcus Cousins, Omri Cassipi and Ben McLemore

Celtics trade Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Amir Johnson Marcus Smart, the right to swap with Brooklyn in 2017 NBA Draft, an unprotected 2019 Celtics first round pick to Sacramento Kings for DeMarcus Cousins, Arron Afflalo and Omri Casspi

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[CelticFaninLBC]

Two trade scenarios thrown out on Boston.com:

Celtics trade Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Amir Johnson, the 2017 Brooklyn first round pick swap and Brooklyn’s 2018 unprotected first round pick for DeMarcus Cousins, Omri Cassipi and Ben McLemore

Celtics trade Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Amir Johnson Marcus Smart, the right to swap with Brooklyn in 2017 NBA Draft, an unprotected 2019 Celtics first round pick to Sacramento Kings for DeMarcus Cousins, Arron Afflalo and Omri Casspi

Have to keep either Brown or BKN 2017...

[Parliament10]

Including the 2018 Nets with Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, and 2017 Nets pick is overpayment to the extreme.

Marcus Smart 6th pick

Jaylen Brown 3rd pick

2017 Nets Pick Top 3 pick should be enough and a fair trade for Demarcus Cousins. That's is 3 Top 6 Picks/First round picks. That should be enough to acquire any star player, and a fair return.

Right you are. I just don't see us trading away promising players, to that degree.

Two trade scenarios thrown out on Boston.com:

Celtics trade Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Amir Johnson, the 2017 Brooklyn first round pick swap and Brooklyn’s 2018 unprotected first round pick for DeMarcus Cousins, Omri Cassipi and Ben McLemore

Celtics trade Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Amir Johnson Marcus Smart, the right to swap with Brooklyn in 2017 NBA Draft, an unprotected 2019 Celtics first round pick to Sacramento Kings for DeMarcus Cousins, Arron Afflalo and Omri Casspi

Have to keep either Brown or BKN 2017...

I saw that article, and just laughed it off.

We already have a good team. -- I'm not willing to give any of our Core guys, to basically start the meshing process all over again.
Let's just wait 'til Free Agency.

[Marvel]

What would a package look like to get Chandler from Denver? 6th man material right there. Dude can flat out put the rock in the basket.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hey, in the category of "I told you *ssholes he would get better", Okafor's line tonight: 16 points in 28 minutes, on 8-10 shooting- and 13 rebounds. Only one free throw attempt, 3 turnovers, and the -19 suggests his unit, at least, got burnt. But 16 and 13 in 28 minutes, 8-10 shooting. Looks like his rebounding problem is disappearing. Think we can trade Smart for him now?

[Captain_Caveman]

Brk 17, brk 18, brown ... Sac will want.

Brk 17, brk 18, rozier ...that I would be ok with.

Brk 17, brk 18, Bradley to 3 team bringing another asset to sac...looking ahead this would be the best move if we can sign fa Hayward in summer, what is a high possibility.

For 2017:
It, Hayward, crowder, horford, cousins
With
Rozier, smart, brown, olynyk bench.

Both Nets picks and a legit player for Cuz is a no-go in any way, shape or form, at any point.

Not worth 50% of that, especially if we wait a few months.

[jrob23]

Hey, in the category of "I told you *ssholes he would get better", Okafor's line tonight: 16 points in 28 minutes, on 8-10 shooting- and 13 rebounds. Only one free throw attempt, 3 turnovers, and the -19 suggests his unit, at least, got burnt. But 16 and 13 in 28 minutes, 8-10 shooting. Looks like his rebounding problem is disappearing. Think we can trade Smart for him now?

there's the problem, as he gets healthy and up to speed, going against better players in practice, minutes in real games and eventually playing alongside better players will elevate his game. Smart straight up was never going to happen. Big men are just inherently more valuable. But now, with Smart's terrible offense, the price to get him is only going to go up. I'd rather Noel who would cost less. They might entertain Smart straight up. But would Danny even deal him. Apparently G.M.s are lining up around the block for his services /sarc

[dlamb8888888]

Is Bradley/Olynyk for Aaron Gordon/Jodie Meeks crazy in this light? Would save the team ~11M of cap space next year, including KO's cap hold. They would then be free to pursue a max FA next summer.

Smitty what do you think of this?

Bradley is Core; I don't see us trading him, unless it's for something off the charts.
Olynyk is Extended Core; I could see us trading him more so.

Though I think that we want to keep the chemistry that has evolved here. It's like an invisible 6th-man.
Any trading of the Overall Core would require an adjustment period.

Olynyk sucks. We could probably trade him for a 2nd rounder if someone is desperate.

[DijonRondo]

It's literally been like 4 years we've been fantasizing this Cousins trade. I'm having a severe case of blue balls at this point.