"A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ The Equality & Other Issues Thread

[truth18]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Progressives of every race have been drawing attention to all three issues, and they’re a big reason Sanders had so much support in the primaries.

Glad you agree all three of those problems matter, even if you don’t agree with the protests, or see police brutality/abuse of force as a connected or related issue.

Yeah, I don't agree with the entire sentiment of the post but there is a lot of unfortunate truth in some of what he is saying.

In modern times, most celebrities and athletes don't give back or do nearly enough to help their communities on a social and finanical level. OJ syndrome runs rampant among the famous.

The thing is, it was still a valid and respectful protest in every way. The message was sound before Trump muddied the water regardless of why someone knelt.

You can have it both ways. You can have selfish athletes not caring about the issues until it directly affects them, but with the underlying message still being a good one.

[hookshot199]

Memo reinforces rule that NBA players, coaches stand for anthem
Zach Lowe | ESPN Senior Writer | 09-30-17

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20864858/nba-memo-reinforces-rule-players-coaches-stand-national-anthem

The memo, a copy of which was obtained by ESPN, was distributed by deputy commissioner Mark Tatum. It instructs teams that "the league office will determine how to deal with any possible instance in which a player, coach, or trainer does not stand for the anthem."

The memo states that individual teams "do not have the discretion to waive" the rule that players, coaches and staff stand for the anthem. The league has the discretion to discipline players who violate the rule. It is not clear if the league would exercise it in the event of any protest. The league also does not want teams independently disciplining players, sources say, and has encouraged open dialogue within teams.

In the memo, Tatum suggests teams might address the current political climate by having players and coaches give a joint pregame address at their first home games.

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Also applaud your board for having this discussion. My take: Adam Silver just set himself up to lose his job. He's going to suspend LeBron and Stephen Curry. Then on the management side: Popovich and Cuban. Ain't going to happen. Cheers.

[Captain_Caveman]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Trump out there applauding white supremacists, but Obama was against black people. Great call.

Awful take.

[Captain_Caveman]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Progressives of every race have been drawing attention to all three issues, and they’re a big reason Sanders had so much support in the primaries.

Glad you agree all three of those problems matter, even if you don’t agree with the protests, or see police brutality/abuse of force as a connected or related issue.

Yeah, I don't agree with the entire sentiment of the post but there is a lot of unfortunate truth in some of what he is saying.

In modern times, most celebrities and athletes don't give back or do nearly enough to help their communities on a social and finanical level. OJ syndrome runs rampant among the famous.

The thing is, it was still a valid and respectful protest in every way. The message was sound before Trump muddied the water regardless of why someone knelt.

You can have it both ways. You can have selfish athletes not caring about the issues until it directly affects them, but with the underlying message still being a good one.

Don't give him that. It was a terrible take across the board. Obama the racist tool of Wall St?

The **** outta here with that. Just start with initiating the Dream Act vs dismantling it.

There is literally no validity to a single thing he said. Period.

[AlCelticFan]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Trump out there applauding white supremacists, but Obama was against black people. Great call.

Awful take.

I think the reality is that no presidents in my memory have ever done anything to help the situation (specifically the incredibly high black-on-black murder rates). The democrats just do a better job of promoting themselves as the pro-black party without doing anything of consequence to help, and even some policies are hurting them (high incarceration rate and low employment rates of black folks under Obama -- also Clinton's three strikes).

These issues are better for defining the "tribe" associated with a party in order to extract votes than actually helping anyone.

Is this something most can agree on?

[truth18]

Progressives of every race have been drawing attention to all three issues, and they’re a big reason Sanders had so much support in the primaries.

Glad you agree all three of those problems matter, even if you don’t agree with the protests, or see police brutality/abuse of force as a connected or related issue.

Yeah, I don't agree with the entire sentiment of the post but there is a lot of unfortunate truth in some of what he is saying.

In modern times, most celebrities and athletes don't give back or do nearly enough to help their communities on a social and finanical level. OJ syndrome runs rampant among the famous.

The thing is, it was still a valid and respectful protest in every way. The message was sound before Trump muddied the water regardless of why someone knelt.

You can have it both ways. You can have selfish athletes not caring about the issues until it directly affects them, but with the underlying message still being a good one.

Don't give him that. It was a terrible take across the board. Obama the racist tool of Wall St?

The **** outta here with that. Just start with initiating the Dream Act be dismantling it.

There is literally no validity to a single thing he said. Period.

When life gives you **** posts, make ass water lemonade.

We need more Bennets, Lebrons and Kaepernicks in the world. I'm glad people are waking up again but I'm still disapointed in a lot of guys out there.

Buying the jersey of the first white qb to take a knee.

[Big Baby]

Wow...So which snowflake mod was so offended that he's decided to delete my entire post?

How fragile are you, whoever you are? SMFH

[Andrew McCeltic]

Progressives of every race have been drawing attention to all three issues, and they’re a big reason Sanders had so much support in the primaries.

Glad you agree all three of those problems matter, even if you don’t agree with the protests, or see police brutality/abuse of force as a connected or related issue.

Yeah, I don't agree with the entire sentiment of the post but there is a lot of unfortunate truth in some of what he is saying.

In modern times, most celebrities and athletes don't give back or do nearly enough to help their communities on a social and finanical level. OJ syndrome runs rampant among the famous.

The thing is, it was still a valid and respectful protest in every way. The message was sound before Trump muddied the water regardless of why someone knelt.

You can have it both ways. You can have selfish athletes not caring about the issues until it directly affects them, but with the underlying message still being a good one.

Don't give him that. It was a terrible take across the board. Obama the racist tool of Wall St?

The **** outta here with that. Just start with initiating the Dream Act be dismantling it.

There is literally no validity to a single thing he said. Period.

My point wasn’t that black athletes don’t deserve some soul searching for not using their platform sooner - my point was that it’s good to see us agreeing serious inequities exist, even if that means judging athletes for not stepping up to address all of them.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wow...So which snowflake mod was so offended that he's decided to delete my entire post?

How fragile are you, whoever you are? SMFH

Don’t say “libtard”? It’s insulting to people who disagree with you politically and it’s insulting to people with cognitive deficits.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Buying the jersey of the first white qb to take a knee.

http://www.mlbshop.com/Tim_Tebow_Gear

$119.99

[AlCelticFan]

Wow...So which snowflake mod was so offended that he's decided to delete my entire post?

How fragile are you, whoever you are? SMFH

Don’t say “libtard”? It’s insulting to people who disagree with you politically and it’s insulting to people with cognitive deficits.

It also sounds a bit juvenile, generally.

[Captain_Caveman]

Yeah, I don't agree with the entire sentiment of the post but there is a lot of unfortunate truth in some of what he is saying.

In modern times, most celebrities and athletes don't give back or do nearly enough to help their communities on a social and finanical level. OJ syndrome runs rampant among the famous.

The thing is, it was still a valid and respectful protest in every way. The message was sound before Trump muddied the water regardless of why someone knelt.

You can have it both ways. You can have selfish athletes not caring about the issues until it directly affects them, but with the underlying message still being a good one.

Don't give him that. It was a terrible take across the board. Obama the racist tool of Wall St?

The **** outta here with that. Just start with initiating the Dream Act be dismantling it.

There is literally no validity to a single thing he said. Period.

My point wasn’t that black athletes don’t deserve some soul searching for not using their platform sooner - my point was that it’s good to see us agreeing serious inequities exist, even if that means judging athletes for not stepping up to address all of them.

Not you. My bad. Truth responded to you but was talking about the post you responded to.

[AlCelticFan]

Wow...So which snowflake mod was so offended that he's decided to delete my entire post?

How fragile are you, whoever you are? SMFH

Don’t say “libtard”? It’s insulting to people who disagree with you politically and it’s insulting to people with cognitive deficits.

That said, mods can just remove that word or sentence of the post. Removing the whole post is lame (because it removes part of the discussion), and plays directly into the right's narrative about censorship/free speech.

[truth18]

Buying the jersey of the first white qb to take a knee.

http://www.mlbshop.com/Tim_Tebow_Gear

$119.99

LOL. Love you, CHL.

Props to the mods for whatever went down.

[fallguy]

This "vortex of stupid" isn't about racism. For white libtards, it's about their hatred of Trump. For blacks, it's about 1) Taking Trump's election as a slap in the face after eight years of Obama and 2) This applies to white libtards as well which is: Shaming blacks who voted for Trump because Trump did receive a lot more blacks and Hospanic votes than they imagined possible. Because you know, white libtards are sooooooo anti-racism lol.

Vortex of stupid indeed.

Mods, glad there’s a politics thread - but can we hold it to the regular board standards, too? Like, don’t use insults like “libtards”?

Big, Big Baby, will give my thoughts on what you’re saying here a little later.

Yeah, throwing around 'libtard' suggests 1) you're closed-minded and 2) you're gonna **** up this thread.

[Ed Pinkney]

Wow...So which snowflake mod was so offended that he's decided to delete my entire post?

How fragile are you, whoever you are? SMFH

Don’t say “libtard”? It’s insulting to people who disagree with you politically and it’s insulting to people with cognitive deficits.

That said, mods can just remove that word or sentence of the post. Removing the whole post is lame (because it removes part of the discussion), and plays directly into the right's narrative about censorship.

My take would be that it is not really adding anything to the discussion, it is just being dismissive, inflammatory and troll like. Like with some of Viper's points, you can put forth your views without using words like libtard and snowflake. I am surprised this thread has managed to remain a coherent, relevant and even handed discussion so far to be honest.

[Afam]

NBA is getting close to losing me as a fan, if they haven't already.

[truth18]

NBA is getting close to losing me as a fan, if they haven't already.

If you love basketball, I would stick around, man. Brad has a great view about all of this stuff and as much as Jaylen annoys me sometimes, so does he. Kyrie is probably on board in at least a superficial sense.

Outside of the Celtics, Pop and Kerr constantly spit hot fire on these topics. Don't let Silver's memo make you forget about them.

[fallguy]

The NBA would have to stab me in the face to lose me as a fan.

Even that might not do it.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Don’t say “libtard”? It’s insulting to people who disagree with you politically and it’s insulting to people with cognitive deficits.

That said, mods can just remove that word or sentence of the post. Removing the whole post is lame (because it removes part of the discussion), and plays directly into the right's narrative about censorship.

My take would be that it is not really adding anything to the discussion, it is just being dismissive, inflammatory and troll like. Like with some of Viper's points, you can put forth your views without using words like libtard and snowflake. I am surprised this thread has managed to remain a coherent, relevant and even handed discussion so far to be honest.

It’s not that hard.. our whole country just hasn’t gotten its “sea legs” for massive online connectedness - easy to forget you’re talking to actual people, or to jump to conclusions about them, and easy to get “triggered” by other people’s convictions without stopping to take a breath. And the partisanship has gotten bad, too, because we have irresponsible leaders and media who feed into it for their own purposes - votes and ratings. It means no one’s ever being entirely honest, or candid, or fair, and it pollutes the whole conversation. Each party is trying to get the other to defer to its false, incomplete narratives and overbearing values.