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Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold?

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#181 » by Theocy » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:49 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
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You're quick in reply (if misguided therein). But wasn't the stat also thrown around this week that he was the first Celtic player on a rookie contract to score in double digits for 22 consecutive games--since Paul Pierce?

I think you're just making up some ridiculous standard to try to judge him against, for whatever reason.


Let's get soemthing clear. I absolutely love scary terry. yes? I'm just fed up with the recent trend of trying to cluster all players in a group of 'X player in question - scary Terry' and future HOFs - Lebron Durant etc . Honestly mate I'm a data scientist and this is absurd. I can do that for any given player. Anyone. The trick is to start filtering your data in such a way as to make sure that you are left in a small group of all-stars and your guy. I can probably do that with Jordan mickey too :lol: . ie add points rebounds assists with minimum cutoff Terry's numbers. Of course there's only a small group above that. The permutations are endless there's abound to be one solution to your problem that looks nice!

I did say he is growing and he is showing excellent potential. 1 month ago i said we could get an Oladipo breakout season from him. Love him. To bits.

But the statistics is just plain stoopid. He isn;t a bargain. He is a rookie. (logical fallacy). all rookies get bargain salaries.
The stats clustering makes no sense. This is all i am saying.


Only an idiot of a data scientist would try to apply statistically valid sample techniques to commentary on athletes' in season, and often game to game, performances. Nobody but such an idiotic data scientist would take such context as claiming that a rookie contract player is as good as clear HoFers off a single game performance. Jeesh!!!


You're calling me an idiot boy? I went out and got a Phd not sure if there's anything else i can do to prove myself. I didn't attack Terry. I attacked the stats. I apologise if problems more complicated than 2*2 look confusing. Btw i wasn't really applying any stats. I was referring to the use of PPG, APG RPG - hence the stats. The clustering of stats can have gazzilions of solutions and can be tailored acc. to what you wish to show. it's a made up group. This is common logic. It's not science. you don't need an idiot with a phd to explain that.

Lastly, not just idiotic data scientists use (proper) statistics for player performances. The league does. Everyone does.
I assume you jumped the flat-earth hypetrain ages ago?

Just to prove what i mean i created a group from NBA official data in which Dahtay Jones' averages in specific categories - ppg, rpg, %FG %3PT (from Cleveland Cavaliers i believe 2 years ago) were only surpassed by these guys in the same year:

Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard
Marc Gasol
Chandler Parsons

was he a two way player? :lol:
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#182 » by Cyclical » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:05 pm

This will soon need to get shut down like the politics thread. It's only some young bball player. No need to go bananas if someone has a different opinion. Trump, however...
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#183 » by Theocy » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:18 pm

everyone is supporting TRoz here. Everyone. It's just this one guy who isn't willing even to listen to a second opinion. Just check the history of theposts in the last couple of pages it';s been a crusade for this fella.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#184 » by Dave_From_NB » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:28 pm

Theocy wrote:everyone is supporting TRoz here. Everyone. It's just this one guy who isn't willing even to listen to a second opinion. Just check the history of theposts in the last couple of pages it';s been a crusade for this fella.


In the history of sports discussion forums, there has never been a documented case of someone changing his opinion based on back and forth pissing contests. Just let it go.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#185 » by Scarletfire81 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:55 pm

I not sure what happens to Rozier but he fits in well on this team. Do we trade this off-season or try to resign him when his contract expires? It’s actually a tough decision.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#186 » by Scoonie » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:08 pm

I think we need to resign him. He can be an elite 6th or 7th man in this league, a high energy, instant offense guy off the bench.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#187 » by Asian Celtic » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:13 pm

Early on the season I labeled Rozier as an off the bench blackhole. As he showed tunnel vision. Today he's grown as fast as Brown IMO as his deadly change of speed couple with calm assertiveness makes him a very deadly floor general. Starting to think Smart is gonna be traded while we keep Scary Terry. Kids shown to be a STUD with stone cold clutchness.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#188 » by Smeff10 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:18 pm

Theocy wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Theocy wrote:
Let's get soemthing clear. I absolutely love scary terry. yes? I'm just fed up with the recent trend of trying to cluster all players in a group of 'X player in question - scary Terry' and future HOFs - Lebron Durant etc . Honestly mate I'm a data scientist and this is absurd. I can do that for any given player. Anyone. The trick is to start filtering your data in such a way as to make sure that you are left in a small group of all-stars and your guy. I can probably do that with Jordan mickey too :lol: . ie add points rebounds assists with minimum cutoff Terry's numbers. Of course there's only a small group above that. The permutations are endless there's abound to be one solution to your problem that looks nice!

I did say he is growing and he is showing excellent potential. 1 month ago i said we could get an Oladipo breakout season from him. Love him. To bits.

But the statistics is just plain stoopid. He isn;t a bargain. He is a rookie. (logical fallacy). all rookies get bargain salaries.
The stats clustering makes no sense. This is all i am saying.


Only an idiot of a data scientist would try to apply statistically valid sample techniques to commentary on athletes' in season, and often game to game, performances. Nobody but such an idiotic data scientist would take such context as claiming that a rookie contract player is as good as clear HoFers off a single game performance. Jeesh!!!


You're calling me an idiot boy? I went out and got a Phd not sure if there's anything else i can do to prove myself. I didn't attack Terry. I attacked the stats. I apologise if problems more complicated than 2*2 look confusing. Btw i wasn't really applying any stats. I was referring to the use of PPG, APG RPG - hence the stats. The clustering of stats can have gazzilions of solutions and can be tailored acc. to what you wish to show. it's a made up group. This is common logic. It's not science. you don't need an idiot with a phd to explain that.

Lastly, not just idiotic data scientists use (proper) statistics for player performances. The league does. Everyone does.
I assume you jumped the flat-earth hypetrain ages ago?

Just to prove what i mean i created a group from NBA official data in which Dahtay Jones' averages in specific categories - ppg, rpg, %FG %3PT (from Cleveland Cavaliers i believe 2 years ago) were only surpassed by these guys in the same year:

Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard
Marc Gasol
Chandler Parsons

was he a two way player? :lol:

No one cares about your PhD here. My PhD is from the streets and the court. Get that crap outta here
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#189 » by nickgammon » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:21 pm

Smeff10 wrote:
Theocy wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Only an idiot of a data scientist would try to apply statistically valid sample techniques to commentary on athletes' in season, and often game to game, performances. Nobody but such an idiotic data scientist would take such context as claiming that a rookie contract player is as good as clear HoFers off a single game performance. Jeesh!!!


You're calling me an idiot boy? I went out and got a Phd not sure if there's anything else i can do to prove myself. I didn't attack Terry. I attacked the stats. I apologise if problems more complicated than 2*2 look confusing. Btw i wasn't really applying any stats. I was referring to the use of PPG, APG RPG - hence the stats. The clustering of stats can have gazzilions of solutions and can be tailored acc. to what you wish to show. it's a made up group. This is common logic. It's not science. you don't need an idiot with a phd to explain that.

Lastly, not just idiotic data scientists use (proper) statistics for player performances. The league does. Everyone does.
I assume you jumped the flat-earth hypetrain ages ago?

Just to prove what i mean i created a group from NBA official data in which Dahtay Jones' averages in specific categories - ppg, rpg, %FG %3PT (from Cleveland Cavaliers i believe 2 years ago) were only surpassed by these guys in the same year:

Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard
Marc Gasol
Chandler Parsons

was he a two way player? :lol:

No one cares about your PhD here. My PhD is from the streets and the court. Get that crap outta here


I got a PhD, Poser hater Degree
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#190 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:46 pm

I'm at the point where I'm already worrying about how much money it will cost to keep Scary Terry in Boston.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#191 » by Larry Legend 33 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:47 pm

I'm seriously concerned he's priced himself out of our future plans, kid has shown too much to not get starter minutes/money from another team in RFA.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#192 » by Theocy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:47 pm

nickgammon wrote:
Smeff10 wrote:
Theocy wrote:
You're calling me an idiot boy? I went out and got a Phd not sure if there's anything else i can do to prove myself. I didn't attack Terry. I attacked the stats. I apologise if problems more complicated than 2*2 look confusing. Btw i wasn't really applying any stats. I was referring to the use of PPG, APG RPG - hence the stats. The clustering of stats can have gazzilions of solutions and can be tailored acc. to what you wish to show. it's a made up group. This is common logic. It's not science. you don't need an idiot with a phd to explain that.

Lastly, not just idiotic data scientists use (proper) statistics for player performances. The league does. Everyone does.
I assume you jumped the flat-earth hypetrain ages ago?

Just to prove what i mean i created a group from NBA official data in which Dahtay Jones' averages in specific categories - ppg, rpg, %FG %3PT (from Cleveland Cavaliers i believe 2 years ago) were only surpassed by these guys in the same year:

Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard
Marc Gasol
Chandler Parsons

was he a two way player? :lol:

No one cares about your PhD here. My PhD is from the streets and the court. Get that crap outta here


I got a PhD, Poser hater Degree


Now there. Did it take you lads combined 3 weeks to come back ? :lol:

Chill. I've made no personal attack. And I could crash you anytime on a court :lol: I'm a fat mean scoring machine :lol:
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#193 » by Scoonie » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:47 pm

Rozier is a restricted free agent after next season, so the market will determine his value. Whatever that value is, the Celtics can match any offer and keep him.

I'd be surprised if his agent lets him sign an extension with the Celtics this offseason, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. My guess is that he will prefer to go to a team where he'll start. I'm not sure how many teams are projected to have cap space to make him a big offer.
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Post#194 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:50 pm

By the way, Eric Weiss just posted this screen shot from what appears to be a scouting website that only NBA insiders have access to. Pretty cool.

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#195 » by Theocy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:57 pm

Scoonie wrote:Rozier is a restricted free agent after next season, so the market will determine his value. Whatever that value is, the Celtics can match any offer and keep him.

I'd be surprised if his agent lets him sign an extension with the Celtics this offseason, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. My guess is that he will prefer to go to a team where he'll start. I'm not sure how many teams are projected to have cap space to make him a big offer.



Wouldn't Danny trade him if that scenario is true? What could we get ? A mid- late first ?
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#196 » by Scoonie » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:01 pm

Theocy wrote:Wouldn't Danny trade him if that scenario is true?


Bottom line, we have him for at least one more season and have the right to match any offer he gets after that. If they can't agree to an extension this offseason, then they'll likely just match whatever offers he gets after the 2018/19 season.

So no, I don't think he'll be traded. The Celtics owners will probably be fine with going into the luxury tax after 2018/19, so no reason to trade him.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#197 » by sam_I_am » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:04 pm

I feel like we are in the same position as Clippers were with Chris Paul and Eric Bledsoe. Terry does not want to be a bench player. I’m sure he loves it here in Boston so maybe he could be talked into a Hondo type sixth man role but that is going to take $$$. We should trade him this off-season while his value is peaking if we can get a quality asset. The alternative is still good - a title run next year and then he gets a huge pay day in free agency.
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Post#198 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:37 pm

sam_I_am wrote:I feel like we are in the same position as Clippers were with Chris Paul and Eric Bledsoe. Terry does not want to be a bench player. I’m sure he loves it here in Boston so maybe he could be talked into a Hondo type sixth man role but that is going to take $$$. We should trade him this off-season while his value is peaking if we can get a quality asset. The alternative is still good - a title run next year and then he gets a huge pay day in free agency.


If he continues this which I hope he does around 15 mils to 18 mils. 4 years/60. Problem with that would be we might not have the cash to resign both Brown and Tatum down the line.
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Post#199 » by fallguy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:01 pm

This concept requires a leap of faith for his development but if Rozier renders Kyrie somewhat replaceable (especially with the salary savings) you could argue for some sort of summer 2020 lineup like:

-Rozier (assuming we could re-up him this fall for under market money)
-Kawhi (trade for Brown +)
-Hayward
-Tatum
-Davis (signs as free agent)

-Horford (on seriously reduced money)

Not sure the gymnastics required to do this (you'd need expensive short term deals like the one Redick got from Philly to make the deals work) and it would be spectacularly expensive but it's intriguing/preposterous.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#200 » by Fantaxp7 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:05 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:I feel like we are in the same position as Clippers were with Chris Paul and Eric Bledsoe. Terry does not want to be a bench player. I’m sure he loves it here in Boston so maybe he could be talked into a Hondo type sixth man role but that is going to take $$$. We should trade him this off-season while his value is peaking if we can get a quality asset. The alternative is still good - a title run next year and then he gets a huge pay day in free agency.


If he continues this which I hope he does around 15 mils to 18 mils. 4 years/60. Problem with that would be we might not have the cash to resign both Brown and Tatum down the line.


It'll be very interesting to see what Ainge does because it's a very predictable problem.

I wouldn't be shocked if he tries to sell high on Terry and maybe move up in the draft.

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