Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

London2Boston · Post #181 » by **London2Boston** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:41 pm

It’s kinda crazy how generally underwhelming the 2014 draft is turning out after the crazy hype it had.

jfs1000d · Post #182 » by **jfs1000d** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:45 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Big, if true.

When we lost hayward, werent we a 36-win team? Parker’s been hurt. You can use him in projections. Same with Celtics and their rookies. No data points, it defaults to replacement level nba player.

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ConstableGeneva · Post #183 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:52 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

Read on Twitter

Big, if true.

When we lost hayward, werent we a 36-win team? Parker’s been hurt. You can use him in projections. Same with Celtics and their rookies. No data points, it defaults to replacement level nba player.

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You can throw away the projetions. Whether he was healthy or not, I never deemed Parker as someone who contributed to winning games. Negative net rating whether he was an SF or PF. Much worse as an SF, which will be his position if they don't trade Lopez. He'll put up numbers in Chicago if he can stay healthy but he makes their defense worse (on a young team, no less). I like the signing (2nd year team option), betting on a young high draft pick's upside, but he won't make the Bulls better in year 1.

celticfan42487 · Post #184 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:25 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

you don't get restricted free agents by giving them fair market contracts. you have to overpay if you want the other team to let them go.

Well that's if their team wants them. The Bucks signed Parker's replacement on like the second day of free agency.

I'm pretty sure the Bucks would not have matched even a 10 million per year salary for Parker but certainly not 15 million.

Follow up to this. The Bucks weren't going to keep Parker no matter what so they did a nice guy move and rescinded their QO.

That way the Bulls can give less than a 2 year offer.

Turns out the terms are 20 million for 2 years, second year is a team option now.

Which is a dramatic overpay, but the Bulls have to spend their money on someone.

This deal isn't as bad for a one year rental. Massive, massive overpay for someone they didn't have to. The Bucks don't even care enough to keep the QO to force someone to give Parker more than a one year deal (as evident by getting his replacement very early on this FA).

But hell found money for Parker. He's not worth 20 million in any market right now. Maybe next year he finds 4 years at 15 mil though if he has a healthy breakout season as the potential #1 option for the Bulls if Lavine continues to suck.

ConstableGeneva · Post #185 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:36 pm

Our Jabari is better than your Jabari. Our Jabari can fly.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #186 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:46 pm

London2Boston wrote:It’s kinda crazy how generally underwhelming the 2014 draft is turning out after the crazy hype it had.

"The deepest draft since 2003!!"

Post #187 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:43 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:you don't get restricted free agents by giving them fair market contracts. you have to overpay if you want the other team to let them go.

Well that's if their team wants them. The Bucks signed Parker's replacement on like the second day of free agency.

I'm pretty sure the Bucks would not have matched even a 10 million per year salary for Parker but certainly not 15 million.

Follow up to this. The Bucks weren't going to keep Parker no matter what so they did a nice guy move and rescinded their QO.

That way the Bulls can give less than a 2 year offer.

Turns out the terms are 20 million for 2 years, second year is a team option now.

Which is a dramatic overpay, but the Bulls have to spend their money on someone.

This deal isn't as bad for a one year rental. Massive, massive overpay for someone they didn't have to. The Bucks don't even care enough to keep the QO to force someone to give Parker more than a one year deal (as evident by getting his replacement very early on this FA).

But hell found money for Parker. He's not worth 20 million in any market right now. Maybe next year he finds 4 years at 15 mil though if he has a healthy breakout season as the potential #1 option for the Bulls if Lavine continues to suck.

From what I read, the most they could offer him was 18m because they were hard capped by using the non tax paying MLE. When the bulls offered 20m, they knew they couldn't match, so they did a solid and renounced him anyways.

So, bucks would have brought him back for QO, or 15m even, but couldn't go over 18m, hence the bulls had to offer 20.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #188 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:57 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
London2Boston wrote:It’s kinda crazy how generally underwhelming the 2014 draft is turning out after the crazy hype it had.

"The deepest draft since 2003!!"

Who was Steph Curry after 4 years? Who was James Harden? Takes time to get a reliable measure.. Jabari could still even out and become an all star, or he could get hurt again, or be a bad fit with Lauri and Carter..

KumaJG · Post #189 » by **KumaJG** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:05 pm

High Risk High Reward with Jabari.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #190 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:47 pm

KumaJG wrote:High Risk High Reward with Jabari.

I don't know, second year is team option, so it seems very low risk to me.

Captain_Caveman · Post #191 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:56 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:
KumaJG wrote:High Risk High Reward with Jabari.

I don't know, second year is team option, so it seems very low risk to me.

For real? Yeah, nothing at all to worry about on Chicago's side.

gocelts · Post #192 » by **gocelts** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:52 pm

The market is thinning out for Marcus...

Not sure what he's pissed about...it's not Ainges fault Marcus didn't get an offer. What are we supposed to do, just volunteer to give him money becease we like him? It's clear Ainge made the right decision because the market hasn't responded to Smarts availability or he'd be gone.

cloverleaf · Post #193 » by **cloverleaf** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:07 pm

gocelts wrote:The market is thinning out for Marcus...

Not sure what he's pissed about...it's not Ainges fault Marcus didn't get an offer. What are we supposed to do, just volunteer to give him money becease we like him? It's clear Ainge made the right decision because the market hasn't responded to Smarts availability or he'd be gone.

Yep. Danny already made a non-insulting offer last fall. Smart was foolish not to take it.

cloverleaf · Post #194 » by **cloverleaf** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:08 pm

gocelts wrote:The market is thinning out for Marcus...

Not sure what he's pissed about...it's not Ainges fault Marcus didn't get an offer. What are we supposed to do, just volunteer to give him money becease we like him? It's clear Ainge made the right decision because the market hasn't responded to Smarts availability or he'd be gone.

Yep. Danny already made a non-insulting offer last fall. Smart was foolish not to take it.

Fencer reregistered · Post #195 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:12 pm

gocelts wrote:The market is thinning out for Marcus...

Not sure what he's pissed about...it's not Ainges fault Marcus didn't get an offer. What are we supposed to do, just volunteer to give him money becease we like him? It's clear Ainge made the right decision because the market hasn't responded to Smarts availability or he'd be gone.

Unless there's an additional quote I missed, I'm not convinced he's really pissed. That first anonymous quote could easily just be agents-gotta-agent stuff.

Scoonie · Post #196 » by **Scoonie** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:26 pm

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klemen4 · Post #197 » by **klemen4** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:43 pm

Qo
Sac 15+offer
Bos 2-20mill or 3-30

What will it be?

cloverleaf · Post #198 » by **cloverleaf** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:48 pm

Scoonie wrote:

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So, as most of us have deduced by now--it is either Boston, Sacro, or a S&T for Smart.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #199 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:53 pm

Kings’ star point guard prospect is a Happy Walters client - don’t think the Kings want Smart, but it’s possible they’re doing Walters a favor by letting him use them as leverage.

Kings’ options are to throw a deal at Rodney Hood, who fits them a little better, to use the wiggle room to absorb salary and get picks, or to hold onto it. Nothing with Smart..

The only real risk left for us is that Marcus is so stubborn he takes the QO out of spite..

cloverleaf · Post #200 » by **cloverleaf** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:55 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Kings’ star point guard prospect is a Happy Walters client - don’t think the Kings want Smart, but it’s possible they’re doing Walters a favor by letting him use them as leverage.

Kings’ options are to throw a deal at Rodney Hood, who fits them a little better, to use the wiggle room to absorb salary and get picks, or to hold onto it. Nothing with Smart..

The only real risk left for us is that Marcus is so stubborn he takes the QO out of spite..

I could live with Smart on the QO.