Knicks 117 @ Celtics 109 Post-game Notes (9-9)

[Silky]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

Yep— our most selfless player isnt why were losing games.

his play has dropped off, shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, not defending as well, giving up more points in the paint than previous seasons....these are truths.

If team wants 4 wings on the floor at a time they need someone other than Horford, who over past 4 years, has performed WORSE as a center than as a PF.

[2010]

[Nevermind, my question about Brad Stevens pulling Tatum has been answered].

[fallguy]

Horford consistently cleans up for guys who've dropped the ball at the point of attack. Scal's made this point a couple times recently.

And really, to the extent the offense has worked the last couple of years, a huge part of it was what Al brings every night. The passing, the spacing, the ability to score from all over, the willingness to take fewer shots so other guys can get theirs.

We can play small sample size theatre on his numbers this year but even those are deceptive.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[fallguy]

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Is anybody really that sensitive about someone criticizing Thanksgiving? Jesus.

[JHTruth]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

Yep— our most selfless player isnt why were losing games.

his play has dropped off, shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, not defending as well, giving up more points in the paint than previous seasons....these are truths.

If team wants 4 wings on the floor at a time they need someone other than Horford, who over past 4 years, has performed WORSE as a center than as a PF.

Al is not going to be traded no one wants his contract. He's simply in decline, and since he was so important to our squad it's killing us..

[greenroom31]

Team is in their heads too much. Keep it simple, take the open 3s when you have them, be decisive with the ball, play with pace.

Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Horford and even Jaylen are all good 3pt shooters. They need to embrace that part of the game instead of trying to avoid it. Get hot and make the opponent pay and it will open up the rest of the offense.

[JHTruth]

Good thing we own half of the 1st round this year.

Lol, this team needs to consolidate badly.

I am at a loss right now. But I still think we turn this around.

No doubt on the consolidation. No way in hell we roster 4 first rounders. Wouldn't even want to. If we were in a rebuild, sure. Now, no way.

Like it or not we ARE rebuilding soon whether we wanted to or not. Thats what happens when your main pieces get old and or injured. This team is DOA with the Kyrie/Hayward/Horford core

[Silky]

Yep— our most selfless player isnt why were losing games.

his play has dropped off, shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, not defending as well, giving up more points in the paint than previous seasons....these are truths.

If team wants 4 wings on the floor at a time they need someone other than Horford, who over past 4 years, has performed WORSE as a center than as a PF.

Al is not going to be traded no one wants his contract. He's simply in decline, and since he was so important to our squad it's killing us..

i agree with the second part, the first, not so much.

I still firmly believe there are teams that would gladly trade for Horford.

Ie: Miami for whiteside (they get a Al beside Bam)
Detroit to pair with griffin
Washington to calm that place down a bit
Brooklyn to mentor and play beside allen
Houston
Portland

just a few off top of my head that are plausable

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

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Is anybody really that sensitive about someone criticizing Thanksgiving? Jesus.

Probably just the MAGA fans.

[GoGreen]

This team is better than this. I'm just not going to believe that they're only a .500 squad. Once they start hitting shots and playing as a unit, we're going to see the team we know. As of right now, the ball just isn't going in the bucket.

No way is it over. They'll figure it out.

[fallguy]

This team is better than this. I'm just not going to believe that they're only a .500 squad. Once they start hitting shots and playing as a unit, we're going to see the team we know. As of right now, the ball just isn't going in the bucket.

No way is it over. They'll figure it out.

So, you're taking a different route than the "Panic! Trade Everyone!" crowd?

[Curmudgeon]

As I keep saying, this team is structurally flawed. Last year everyone-- especially the younger players-- understood their roles. This year no one does, including Hayward. Maybe they'll figure it out, maybe they won't.

But this team does need a shakeup. Call it a chemistry trade, not a panic trade. Unfortunately I don't see much out there that other teams would be willing to do that might improve Boston's chemistry.

[Slartibartfast]

I thought this roster already hit rock bottom. This team proves me wrong.
Rozier can be a nice guy, but it shouldn't surprise me if Danny called Philly to trade Rozier for Fultz.

Fultz would struggle here without the touches to get his lost mojo back.

[Wes-J]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

Yep— our most selfless player isnt why were losing games.

Stop it.

That selfless player would say he's part of the problem. And he's' right, as much as I've always had his back. There is no 1 or 2 guys every night that is the sole blame for our mediocrity. EVERYONE is to blame.

EVERY freaking game against a lesser opponent they are digging themselves a major hole yet you want to lay blame on one guy or two. This is a systematic mental issue that I see in all. The coach is contributing to the problem because obviously nothing has changed. They think they can show up like the Warriors and not put the effort in. I don't see us playing with our hair on fire and doing all the little things championship type teams do.

Not on the bandwagon of panicking and shipping out anybody because that's supposed to fix the bigger issue.

[Wes-J]

As I keep saying, this team is structurally flawed. Last year everyone-- especially the younger players-- understood their roles. This year no one does, including Hayward. Maybe they'll figure it out, maybe they won't.

But this team does need a shakeup. Call it a chemistry trade, not a panic trade. Unfortunately I don't see much out there that other teams would be willing to do that might improve Boston's chemistry.

LOL

See you in April.

[Curmudgeon]

Fultz makes 8.3M so a trade for Rozier would have to be larger than that. And in any event, who is willing to give anything for a guy with the yips?

Four years ago Fultz was playing junior varsity at DeMatha. The stage got way too big for him. If he played for a few years in Europe and came back at age 27-28 he might turn out to be a decent NBA rotation player. That's his ceiling.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

This team is better than this. I'm just not going to believe that they're only a .500 squad. Once they start hitting shots and playing as a unit, we're going to see the team we know. As of right now, the ball just isn't going in the bucket.

No way is it over. They'll figure it out.

On paper maybe they are better but the reality is they are not. We have been saying since the magic game they will figure it out but nothing has changed since then. Hell they've gotten worse you could argue.

Id love to sit here and tell you that losing to the 29th ranked defense at home to a team that's lost 6 games in a row trying to tank is as bad as it gets but the Celtics still have to play Atlanta and the Cavs.

They have Atlanta Dallas New Orleans and the Cavs the next four games. I fully expect them to go 1-3 maybe even is 0-4. This team is completely broken.

[Wes-J]

The difference is Rozier can play, Brown can’t.

With Rozier, he is trying to get off this team fast. If you start him next to Kyrie, you will go back to showcasing his talent.

I called Brown a scrub last year and people got mad. He would pick another career like a professor or engineer or politician. He is a smart, dumb guy. Dumb on the court. A really bad BBIQ. Doesn’t work on his game because he is to busy playing chess, instruments, and other stuff that doesn’t include basketball.

Rozier can play, Brown can't.

You're a walking talking contradiction. Would of been fine with one or the other.

[timpiker]

One of my biggest bitches on my teams' forums and Facebook groups is that some people seem to think if you criticize a team then you must not be a fan. bull. If I criticize my team its because I care enough to call a spade a spade and these C's on Nov 22, 2018 suck big time.

Wake me when the C's decide they give a **** about their play and when they give a ****, maybe I will, too.