Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[Roddy]

And we pay Yabusele $3 million....

Yep. What's Shane making, half that?
I like his defense better than Wanamaker.

$1.8M.

He wanted a bigger role. Well, he is FA this summer, sign him and give him 15 minutes.

[Parliament10]

And we pay Yabusele $3 million....

Yep. What's Shane making, half that?
I like his defense better than Wanamaker.

$1.8M.

He wanted a bigger role. Well, he is FA this summer, sign him and give him 15 minutes.

With all the uncertainty, we may actually have room for him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Loved Larkin last year, great motor. Defensive liability, but a total pro.

Rondo is interesting, if his ego is cooled off enough that he could handle fewer minutes - we’d have the shooting around him, & even if he lost a step and/or only played ten minutes a night, he’s shown an unusual ability to be a Cousins whisperer, & he’s shown some inconsistent leadership potential.

No idea his relationship with Stevens, though, or what his coaches and orgs have thought of him post-Carlisle.

[FlatearthZorro]

Loved Larkin last year, great motor. Defensive liability, but a total pro.

Rondo is interesting, if his ego is cooled off enough that he could handle fewer minutes - we’d have the shooting around him, & even if he lost a step and/or only played ten minutes a night, he’s shown an unusual ability to be a Cousins whisperer, & he’s shown some inconsistent leadership potential.

No idea his relationship with Stevens, though, or what his coaches and orgs have thought of him post-Carlisle.

Rondo hasn't lost much of a step, btw. He looks in spectacular shape and his shot is better than it was when he was here. He would do pretty well on our team as long as he doesn't get into arguments with the coaching staff on regular basis.

[zoyathedestroya]

Here's Bulpett on what he's gathered from people who attended the Draft Combine in Chicago regarding Kyrie's situation...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/18/celtics-still-want-to-be-the-ones-to-pay-kyrie-irving-but-possibilities-abound/

TLDR version: Celtics still want Kyrie. No one is really sure what Kyrie is going to do.

[K For Three]

Here's Bulpett on what he's gathered from people who attended the Draft Combine in Chicago regarding Kyrie's situation...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/18/celtics-still-want-to-be-the-ones-to-pay-kyrie-irving-but-possibilities-abound/

TLDR version: Celtics still want Kyrie. No one is really sure what Kyrie is going to do.

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CHICAGO — Kyrie Irving is going to get paid. He’s going to get a max contract from someone, and the Celtics would still like to be the team that signs those checks. Let’s put that right up front.

But, man, is it getting strange out here on the Kyrie beat.

Wading through the talk from NBA sources all through the season on Irving’s future (and even his present) has been a regular task, and the cacophony has gotten only louder here at the league’s annual draft combine.

The most interesting bit of information from several sources that we’ve been able to consolidate and confirm is that some teams thought to have interest in Irving as a free agent are now a great deal more wary. Based on the way things played out with the Celtics this season and Irving’s role both off the court all year and on it in the playoff loss to Milwaukee, certain clubs are concerned about putting too many eggs in his basket right away.

Two teams for certain are telling people they will only go after him if they land another marquee free agent and that player says he wants Irving. In each of these cases, the initial target is different. (There was worry on one of those clubs that the basketball ops people might be overruled by ownership and told to make Irving a primary aim, but that organization is now on the same page.)

What’s interesting to some is even that Irving is so potentially available this summer. When teams were trying to get into the race for him two years ago, they were informed by his side that he would definitely not re-sign with them.

“We were told that the team he wanted to go to was getting ready to trade for him,” said one general manager. “And that team was Boston. So the Celtics were where he wanted to go. He got what he wanted. Now here we are two years later. Crazy.”

And where we’ve been all season has been fairly wild, too, as regards Irving rumors. A good part of the year was spent trying to follow through on tips regarding his future, but that proved essentially impossible because, a.) no one on an imposing team was going to be able to truly confirm something without fear of getting into serious trouble, and, more importantly, b.) no one could be sure of what Kyrie would want when the season was over.

As we’ve noted here several times, even his pronouncement last October that he planned to be back wasn’t taken by the club as a binding pledge. The belief was always that his final call would be based on how the Celts’ year went. And even on this there is now uncertainty about the forecast around the club.

Will Kyrie take the disappointing end to heart and want to return to lead the repair of what was broken this season? Will he want to finish the job he so boldly started?

Or will he leave a task in progress to look for an allegedly greener pasture as he did when he asked out of Cleveland two years ago, this time before he gets the championship he did with the Cavaliers?

Danny Ainge has quite understandably taken a break and not spoken to the media since suffering a mild heart attack in Milwaukee April 30, but the last time he did chat he said he’d been having conversations all year with Irving and that he felt encouraged by those discussions.

Meanwhile, the chorus here at the draft combine continues to sing about Irving’s departure from the Celtics, though when some of the more involved sources are pressed on the matter, they refuse to bet their domiciles on the outcome.

The Celtics do continue to hold out hope that Irving will clear his head, realize the possibilities in Boston with a reworked roster that may even have Anthony Davis and choose to stay and fulfill the line from the Nike commercial about getting his number retired there — a line that, by the way, he wrote himself. It would be an epic journey of realization for a guy who considers himself a deep thinker.

But there is room to wonder whether Irving will ever be truly happy. Some who have been with him at other stops have told the Herald this is an ongoing concern, that it’s hard to know how he will be from day to day. And while his Celtic teammates generally had good relationships with him, there was acknowledgement that traversing his emotional spectrum — for example as he went from benevolent leader at the end of the regular season and through the Indiana series and Game 1 against the Bucks to the way his disappointment manifested itself in the four losses that followed — was an issue.

As Terry Rozier told NBC Sports Boston during the year, “Ky’s our leader and when he’s in a great mood and he’s feeling good, we’re hard to beat and it’s contagious. It rubs off on everybody else. Sometimes when he’s not like that, it can get everybody uptight.”

And the way things went for the Celtics has caused some of Irving’s expected pursuers to, if not get uptight, then to at least pause for a moment. The talk has been fast and often borderline furious. One Knick source said three months ago that people above him in the organization were convinced the club was getting both Irving and Kevin Durant. A prominent agent shook his head at that and said the ongoing dilemma was that Kyrie wanted Brooklyn and Durant wanted the Knicks. Another league source said the Irving/Brooklyn talk was just a smokescreen. But a Warrior source said he knew for sure that Irving had spoken to Durant about the possibility of teaming up.

And while that last line may seem explosive, it could also be simply a case where star players sit and chat about what-ifs. Or it could be more. No one really knows, and even some of the people who know more than others are unsure of what Irving and even Durant will ultimately decide.

The Celtics remain hopeful.

“We’ll have more conversations with him and his representatives in the coming weeks,” assistant general manager Mike Zarren said Friday as the NBA combine wound through its last hours. “We had a quick exit interview with everyone on the team, and the day after you lose a tough playoff series is not the time to have those conversations. There’s always one goal in Boston, and it’s banner 18 and that’s what we’re after, and it’s going to be a very busy summer. But we haven’t had any of those conversations with him or his people yet. I know he went on vacation, and as he comes back and we talk with him, we’ll see where things go.”

Here with NBA people at the combine facility and Chicago’s fine restaurants, the uncertainty has only been getting louder.

[flintsky21]

How about going for Kemba? He's essentially Kyrie minus all the extra baggage.

[SmartWentCrazy]

How about going for Kemba? He's essentially Kyrie minus all the extra baggage.

We dont have the cap space unless we let Kyrie, Horford and Morris walk.

[zoyathedestroya]

4 Simple Steps to Contention:
▪ Horford, Irving, and Durant all opt in.
▪ Horford and Durant get traded for each other.
▪ Hayward gets traded for Anthony Davis.
▪ Sign ring-chasers.

Irving, Brown, Tatum, KD, AD w/ Smart as 6th man.

(I'm out of green fonts.)

[djFan71]

4 Simple Steps to Contention:
▪ Horford, Irving, and Durant all opt in.
▪ Horford and Durant get traded for each other.
▪ Hayward gets traded for Anthony Davis.
▪ Sign ring-chasers.

Irving, Brown, Tatum, KD, AD w/ Smart as 6th man.

(I'm out of green fonts.)

Hmmm.... might cost us Rozier due to lux tax. Pass.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

How pissed off are the Knicks going to be when they discover that Durant and Kleiman purposely planted fake info about going there, just so they could gain leverage and scare the Warriors into trading him to Boston?

Spoiler:

I'm just daydreaming. Don't kill me

[aim2please]

Call me crazy, but I want Clippers' Chris Paul scenario for Irving. Kyrie opts-in, gets traded to team X, Celtics get pick(s) and/or value pieces. I know it sounds stupid, but 5 year max deal to Kyrie is going to be a short term win, long term it will be a terrible deal.

Making everyone around you hate coming to work is a big red flag. Not to mention his knee problems.

Depending on who they can get in FA, there's a scenario where it makes sense for LAL to sign a max free agent and then trade for Irving, instead of using all of their cap space on him.

[Celts17Pride]

Here's Bulpett on what he's gathered from people who attended the Draft Combine in Chicago regarding Kyrie's situation...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/18/celtics-still-want-to-be-the-ones-to-pay-kyrie-irving-but-possibilities-abound/

TLDR version: Celtics still want Kyrie. No one is really sure what Kyrie is going to do.

Really looking forward to 5 more years of this crap. Smh.

[djFan71]

Here's Bulpett on what he's gathered from people who attended the Draft Combine in Chicago regarding Kyrie's situation...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/18/celtics-still-want-to-be-the-ones-to-pay-kyrie-irving-but-possibilities-abound/

TLDR version: Celtics still want Kyrie. No one is really sure what Kyrie is going to do.

Deleted my cookies to get the full view of this article. This one is loaded. I put the entire article in the spoiler.

This is the part that scares me:

As Terry Rozier told NBC Sports Boston during the year, “Ky’s our leader and when he’s in a great mood and he’s feeling good, we’re hard to beat and it’s contagious. It rubs off on everybody else. Sometimes when he’s not like that, it can get everybody uptight.”

Between that and not talking to his teammates during last CLE playoffs, he sounds like he can be a load to deal with. But, what do I know? We just hear little snips. I'm just gonna trust Brad & Danny to know since they are the ones there day to day. If they want him back, they feel that it's not as bad as we hear, great. If they've had enough and want to move on, I respect that too. What I absolutely don't want is the fire Brad and bring in a big name to manage Kyrie approach. Brad needs to up his game for sure. But if you can't work successfully with Brad Stevens, you can't work with anyone.

ETA: The whole fire Brad thing isn't based on anything - just that some players have forced things like that before. I'm NOT saying Kyrie is asking for that at all.

[Andrew McCeltic]

It’s possible Kyrie is just messing with everyone - wouldn’t put it past him, given his personality and attitude towards the media - means he’s not really interested in or ready to be a “leader”, though, if he’s such a distraction. The fanfic scenario is that he’s acting on the advice of Ainge as a major smokescreen..

[K For Three]

Here's Bulpett on what he's gathered from people who attended the Draft Combine in Chicago regarding Kyrie's situation...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/18/celtics-still-want-to-be-the-ones-to-pay-kyrie-irving-but-possibilities-abound/

TLDR version: Celtics still want Kyrie. No one is really sure what Kyrie is going to do.

Deleted my cookies to get the full view of this article. This one is loaded. I put the entire article in the spoiler.

This is the part that scares me:

As Terry Rozier told NBC Sports Boston during the year, “Ky’s our leader and when he’s in a great mood and he’s feeling good, we’re hard to beat and it’s contagious. It rubs off on everybody else. Sometimes when he’s not like that, it can get everybody uptight.”

Between that and not talking to his teammates during last CLE playoffs, he sounds like he can be a load to deal with. But, what do I know? We just hear little snips. I'm just gonna trust Brad & Danny to know since they are the ones there day to day. If they want him back, they feel that it's not as bad as we hear, great. If they've had enough and want to move on, I respect that too. What I absolutely don't want is the fire Brad and bring in a big name to manage Kyrie approach. Brad needs to up his game for sure. But if you can't work successfully with Brad Stevens, you can't work with anyone.

ETA: The whole fire Brad thing isn't based on anything - just that some players have forced things like that before. I'm NOT saying Kyrie is asking for that at all.

Even if what Terry says may hold some truth, the last person on Earth I am listening to is Terry Rozier.

[Edug27]

It’s possible Kyrie is just messing with everyone - wouldn’t put it past him, given his personality and attitude towards the media - means he’s not really interested in or ready to be a “leader”, though, if he’s such a distraction. The fanfic scenario is that he’s acting on the advice of Ainge as a major smokescreen..

I think that’s what every Celtics fan is hoping for. But the media just doesn’t make this stuff up. It’s a lot like Lebron in Cleveland.

[robdog_5]

I was team keep Kyrie all the way up to our playoff collapse. His mood and play in playoffs combined with the team chemistry all season has been passing

[Darthlukey]

Call me crazy, but I want Clippers' Chris Paul scenario for Irving. Kyrie opts-in, gets traded to team X, Celtics get pick(s) and/or value pieces. I know it sounds stupid, but 5 year max deal to Kyrie is going to be a short term win, long term it will be a terrible deal.

Making everyone around you hate coming to work is a big red flag. Not to mention his knee problems.

Depending on who they can get in FA, there's a scenario where it makes sense for LAL to sign a max free agent and then trade for Irving, instead of using all of their cap space on him.

I like the premise, but would that not cost Kyrie about $15m this upcoming season (not accounting for the benefit of his bird rights for the next contract). Happy to send him to the lakers for a 1st, a young player and maybr a TPE

[Parliament10]

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