Fire Danny Ainge

[FlatearthZorro]

Just unlucky timing. Had max cap space when the best FA available was Gordon **** Hayward (even before the injury, an all star reserve caliber player). Had top 3 picks in relatively weak drafts, as opposed to the years before and after where we could have drafted Porzingis, Russell, Doncic, JJJ, Trae, etc. Moved the Brooklyn pick when Kyrie Irving unexpectedly became available, as opposed to the following two years where Kawhi and AD became available. Now we're stuck with a team with no top 20 players or players who have the potential to be top 20 one day.

Hayward was crazy good that last year in Utah, nobody can predict he'll snap his leg. Gordon averaged 24/5/5 against the Warriors with Durant/Curry/Klay/Green. Also nobody could predict that Irving will go all emo and nobody here knows why Irving doesn't wanna return.

No he wasn't. He was an All Star reserve. A number 2 on a championship team at best. A free agency class with Hayward as the prize is not a good year to have max cap space.

I can tell you why Irving doesn't wanna return: We weren't a good team and our young guys are crazy overrated

Oh and the young guys have nothing to do with it. Obviously Ainge was offering to pair him with AD, while probably having Horford, Brown and possibly resigning Morris. He obviously refused as he's hell-bent on signing with the Nets. I'm 1000% sure Danny would throw everything he has on AD if Irving was coming back. So don't bring up the young guys as an excuse.

[big-shot-ROB]

No he wasn't. He was an All Star reserve. A number 2 on a championship team at best. A free agency class with Hayward as the prize is not a good year to have max cap space.

I can tell you why Irving doesn't wanna return: We weren't a good team and our young guys are crazy overrated

You do understand that Irving was one of the main reasons we weren't a good team, right? We went from the top overall team in defensive ratings to the 6th or 7th with him. Also I dunno if you watched the playoffs but he shot ~.410 from the field and averaged over 21 shots a game. I can post countless videos of his defense in the playoffs.

He wasn't a good leader, but our underwhelming season was a lot more due to the young guys not being anywhere as good as we thought they were and Hayward sucking all year. Kyrie can leave and have more success and fun on another team. I don't blame him at all for leaving.

Stop spitting crap out of your mouth. Either be positive or bring solutions. We don't want quitters on our fan base. You can follow Irving wherever he goes if that's the tone you'll have all offseason.

[Bar Fight]

You do understand that Irving was one of the main reasons we weren't a good team, right? We went from the top overall team in defensive ratings to the 6th or 7th with him. Also I dunno if you watched the playoffs but he shot ~.410 from the field and averaged over 21 shots a game. I can post countless videos of his defense in the playoffs.

He wasn't a good leader, but our underwhelming season was a lot more due to the young guys not being anywhere as good as we thought they were and Hayward sucking all year. Kyrie can leave and have more success and fun on another team. I don't blame him at all for leaving.

Stop spitting crap out of your mouth. Either be positive or bring solutions. We don't want quitters on our fan base. You can follow Irving wherever he goes if that's the tone you'll have all offseason.

**** off. I'll post what I want. There is no rule here that you have to be a delusion homer

[ParticleMan]

kyrie had a great statistical season. the reason is that there were good stretches where he played the right way, hustling on D, passing the ball, working within the flow. hell he was very good even in the pacers series.

what soured me on kyrie is that at the first sign of real adversity, he went back to his old chucking, no-D ways. that shows serious mental weakness. that's not what a leader should do. and it deflated the whole team. that's what made me go from wanting kyrie back to basically eff him.

brown and tatum will have a chance to actually improve now, instead of worrying about which kyrie will show up and whether they will actually touch the ball on any possession.

[big-shot-ROB]

He wasn't a good leader, but our underwhelming season was a lot more due to the young guys not being anywhere as good as we thought they were and Hayward sucking all year. Kyrie can leave and have more success and fun on another team. I don't blame him at all for leaving.

Stop spitting crap out of your mouth. Either be positive or bring solutions. We don't want quitters on our fan base. You can follow Irving wherever he goes if that's the tone you'll have all offseason.

**** off. I'll post what I want. There is no rule here that you have to be a delusion homer

I am not a delusional homer. But I trust Danny explored all options before settling on what we have. If you wanted the trade our plateau of assets for 1 year of AD, you are more short-sighted than I thought. That'd leave us with less than we have now.

Being bitchy about what happened is not going to solve anything. Yeah, we missed on an opportunity, but it's time to move on and be positive. Like we are not in a great position with 3 first round picks incoming, the MEM pick, two of the best young guys in the league, a great coach and an amazing GM.

[ermocrate]

You do understand that Irving was one of the main reasons we weren't a good team, right? We went from the top overall team in defensive ratings to the 6th or 7th with him. Also I dunno if you watched the playoffs but he shot ~.410 from the field and averaged over 21 shots a game. I can post countless videos of his defense in the playoffs.

He wasn't a good leader, but our underwhelming season was a lot more due to the young guys not being anywhere as good as we thought they were and Hayward sucking all year. Kyrie can leave and have more success and fun on another team. I don't blame him at all for leaving.

Stop spitting crap out of your mouth. Either be positive or bring solutions. We don't want quitters on our fan base. You can follow Irving wherever he goes if that's the tone you'll have all offseason.

Well half of the fan base was quitting all year long, even going out of their way to change username just to bash a Celtics’ player... This same topic “Fire Danny Ainge” it’s a quitter’s topic...

So Irving was a SStar, the young core was good, Stevens was a great coach, Ainge did a terrific job as a GM but obviously something didn’t work out, everyone can think of a solution but denying the premises simply denotes preconceptions.

What I think is that, despite being a great coach, Stevens is not used to handle SStars so since SStars don’t come along often we may consider to sign another coach. I also think the franchise should not let players talk freely about locker room issues, Danny is too liberal about that.

[Bar Fight]

Stop spitting crap out of your mouth. Either be positive or bring solutions. We don't want quitters on our fan base. You can follow Irving wherever he goes if that's the tone you'll have all offseason.

**** off. I'll post what I want. There is no rule here that you have to be a delusion homer

I am not a delusional homer. But I trust Danny explored all options before settling on what we have. If you wanted the trade our plateau of assets for 1 year of AD, you are more short-sighted than I thought. That'd leave us with less than we have now.

Being bitchy about what happened is not going to solve anything. Yeah, we missed on an opportunity, but it's time to move on and be positive. Like we are not in a great position with 3 first round picks incoming, the MEM pick, two of the best young guys in the league, a great coach and an amazing GM.

Nah. I don't have to be positive at all. I can discuss the Celtics however the **** I want to. And I don't believe we have "two of the best young guys". I believe we have two pretty good prospects, with no guarantee either ever becomes an all star.

[ParticleMan]

**** off. I'll post what I want. There is no rule here that you have to be a delusion homer

I am not a delusional homer. But I trust Danny explored all options before settling on what we have. If you wanted the trade our plateau of assets for 1 year of AD, you are more short-sighted than I thought. That'd leave us with less than we have now.

Being bitchy about what happened is not going to solve anything. Yeah, we missed on an opportunity, but it's time to move on and be positive. Like we are not in a great position with 3 first round picks incoming, the MEM pick, two of the best young guys in the league, a great coach and an amazing GM.

Nah. I don't have to be positive at all. I can discuss the Celtics however the **** I want to. And I don't believe we have "two of the best young guys". I believe we have two pretty good prospects, with no guarantee either ever becomes an all star.

yet if danny includes tatum for AD consensus was that it's a done deal.
so a lot of people seem to think we've got at least 1 of the best young guys.

[Soulcatcher33]

You lost me when you called Jimmy Butler and Paul George top 10 players. Trying to say Jimmy Butler was ever close to top 10 was especially hilarious you clown.

[Bar Fight]

I am not a delusional homer. But I trust Danny explored all options before settling on what we have. If you wanted the trade our plateau of assets for 1 year of AD, you are more short-sighted than I thought. That'd leave us with less than we have now.

Being bitchy about what happened is not going to solve anything. Yeah, we missed on an opportunity, but it's time to move on and be positive. Like we are not in a great position with 3 first round picks incoming, the MEM pick, two of the best young guys in the league, a great coach and an amazing GM.

Nah. I don't have to be positive at all. I can discuss the Celtics however the **** I want to. And I don't believe we have "two of the best young guys". I believe we have two pretty good prospects, with no guarantee either ever becomes an all star.

yet if danny includes tatum for AD consensus was that it's a done deal.
so a lot of people seem to think we've got at least 1 of the best young guys.

Eh...not really. The Pels had to deal AD and Tatum was the best piece available out of the teams bidding for him. I can probably name 10-15 young guys better than him

[ParticleMan]

Nah. I don't have to be positive at all. I can discuss the Celtics however the **** I want to. And I don't believe we have "two of the best young guys". I believe we have two pretty good prospects, with no guarantee either ever becomes an all star.

yet if danny includes tatum for AD consensus was that it's a done deal.
so a lot of people seem to think we've got at least 1 of the best young guys.

Eh...not really. The Pels had to deal AD and Tatum was the best piece available out of the teams bidding for him. I can probably name 10-15 young guys better than him

the reason the other teams weren't bidding is because they had nobody to compete with a tatum offer.

i can think of maybe 5 rookie/sophs who are comparable to/better than tatum. 10-15 is pretty out of line with most evaluations. but hey, everyone's got their opinion.

[WindyCityBorn]

Boston has gone from being envied by most teams for the stacking of assets to rebuilding without much any assets in a shocking amount of time. It's really surprising how this turned out.

[ermocrate]

Boston has gone from being envied by most teams for the stacking of assets to rebuilding without much any assets in a shocking amount of time. It's really surprising how this turned out.

That’s your opinion an it’s mostly not true.

[Bar Fight]

yet if danny includes tatum for AD consensus was that it's a done deal.
so a lot of people seem to think we've got at least 1 of the best young guys.

Eh...not really. The Pels had to deal AD and Tatum was the best piece available out of the teams bidding for him. I can probably name 10-15 young guys better than him

the reason the other teams weren't bidding is because they had nobody to compete with a tatum offer.

i can think of maybe 5 rookie/sophs who are comparable to/better than tatum. 10-15 is pretty out of line with most evaluations. but hey, everyone's got their opinion.

Nah, it was because AD was a rental.

Ben Simmons
Luka Doncic
Trae Young
DeAndre Ayton
Donovan Mitchell
Lauri Markkanen
De'Aaron Fox
JJJ
John Collins.

That's off the top of my head strictly following your rookie/sophmore criteria. There are young players that aren't rookies/sophs that are better too.

[soxfan2003]

Boston has gone from being envied by most teams for the stacking of assets to rebuilding without much any assets in a shocking amount of time. It's really surprising how this turned out.

Celtics still have assets -- the team has all of its first round picks going forward and Memphis pick -- but just not enough assets to overpay for a one year rental. The team did lose some assets in Kyrie trade.

The asset equation will change in a negative or positive direction in all likelihood this season.

I am not surprised by any of it. Really was the reason I wanted Celtics to tank hard for 2-3 years so team wasn't just relying upon Nets assets. Injuries can happen. Trades can not work out. And even if you hit on a bunch of picks, it can be expensive to keep a team together after players are off their rookie deals. Thus, it is kind of impossible to have too many picks.

[soxfan2003]

Eh...not really. The Pels had to deal AD and Tatum was the best piece available out of the teams bidding for him. I can probably name 10-15 young guys better than him

the reason the other teams weren't bidding is because they had nobody to compete with a tatum offer.

i can think of maybe 5 rookie/sophs who are comparable to/better than tatum. 10-15 is pretty out of line with most evaluations. but hey, everyone's got their opinion.

Nah, it was because AD was a rental.

Ben Simmons
Luka Doncic
Trae Young
DeAndre Ayton
Donovan Mitchell
Lauri Markkanen
De'Aaron Fox
JJJ
John Collins.

That's off the top of my head strictly following your rookie/sophmore criteria. There are young players that aren't rookies/sophs that are better too.

I'd take Tatum over half of those players.

[Bar Fight]

the reason the other teams weren't bidding is because they had nobody to compete with a tatum offer.

i can think of maybe 5 rookie/sophs who are comparable to/better than tatum. 10-15 is pretty out of line with most evaluations. but hey, everyone's got their opinion.

Nah, it was because AD was a rental.

Ben Simmons
Luka Doncic
Trae Young
DeAndre Ayton
Donovan Mitchell
Lauri Markkanen
De'Aaron Fox
JJJ
John Collins.

That's off the top of my head strictly following your rookie/sophmore criteria. There are young players that aren't rookies/sophs that are better too.

I'd take Tatum over half of those players.

And none of those teams would give up those guys for Tatum. Considering they objectively had better seasons than him.

[big-shot-ROB]

Eh...not really. The Pels had to deal AD and Tatum was the best piece available out of the teams bidding for him. I can probably name 10-15 young guys better than him

the reason the other teams weren't bidding is because they had nobody to compete with a tatum offer.

i can think of maybe 5 rookie/sophs who are comparable to/better than tatum. 10-15 is pretty out of line with most evaluations. but hey, everyone's got their opinion.

Nah, it was because AD was a rental.

Ben Simmons
Luka Doncic
Trae Young
DeAndre Ayton
Donovan Mitchell
Lauri Markkanen
De'Aaron Fox
JJJ
John Collins.

That's off the top of my head strictly following your rookie/sophmore criteria. There are young players that aren't rookies/sophs that are better too.

This is hilarious. Trae is good, but he'll have more problems than Kyrie bringing playoff success with his piss poor defense.
Ben Simmons has proved to be a liabilit in the post season given his lack of jumpshot.
Ayton can't play a lick of defense and he is a center. When Embiid reaches the finals I'll change my opinion about big man stars.
Donovan Mitchell? hahaha. How the hell you downplay Tatum when Mitchell had a worst soph season?
Markkanen? Lol
And the rest are still on the fly.

So from that list I'd probably just take JJJ and Doncic and maybe Mitchell to have potential to be centerpieces of a real succesfull playoff team.

[Bar Fight]

the reason the other teams weren't bidding is because they had nobody to compete with a tatum offer.

i can think of maybe 5 rookie/sophs who are comparable to/better than tatum. 10-15 is pretty out of line with most evaluations. but hey, everyone's got their opinion.

Nah, it was because AD was a rental.

Ben Simmons
Luka Doncic
Trae Young
DeAndre Ayton
Donovan Mitchell
Lauri Markkanen
De'Aaron Fox
JJJ
John Collins.

That's off the top of my head strictly following your rookie/sophmore criteria. There are young players that aren't rookies/sophs that are better too.

This is hilarious. Trae is good, but he'll have more problems than Kyrie bringing playoff success with his piss poor defense.
Ben Simmons has proved to be a liabilit in the post season given his lack of jumpshot.
Ayton can't play a lick of defense and he is a center. When Embiid reaches the finals I'll change my opinion about big man stars.
Donovan Mitchell? hahaha. How the hell you downplay Tatum when Mitchell had a worst soph season?
Markkanen? Lol
And the rest are still on the fly.

So from that list I'd probably just take JJJ and Doncic and maybe Mitchell to have potential to be centerpieces of a real succesfull playoff team.

Again, this is all delusional homerism. All those guys were 100% better than Tatum last season.

Trae is not only a better scorer, better shooter, but he has elite playmaking ability (something Tatum has none of).

Simmons is a much better all around player than Tatum and is already an all star, something Tatum may never be.

Ayton is a 16/10 on 59% shooting big man as a rookie playing about the same MPG Tatum did as a rookie.

Mitchell averaged 24/4/4 on 53.7% TS to Tatum's 16/6/2 on 54.7% TS. 8 more PPG on similar efficieny as the focus of opposing defenses.

Markkanen averaged more points and rebounds on higher efficiency.

Most of these guys also have more aspects to their game offensively than just scoring, which Tatum isn't even close to the best at in this group. There is no objective argument you can make for Tatum being better than these guys. If you swapped any of them with Tatum on the C's, you'd think it's ridiculous to say Tatum's better.

[FlatearthZorro]

kyrie had a great statistical season. the reason is that there were good stretches where he played the right way, hustling on D, passing the ball, working within the flow. hell he was very good even in the pacers series.

what soured me on kyrie is that at the first sign of real adversity, he went back to his old chucking, no-D ways. that shows serious mental weakness. that's not what a leader should do. and it deflated the whole team. that's what made me go from wanting kyrie back to basically eff him.

brown and tatum will have a chance to actually improve now, instead of worrying about which kyrie will show up and whether they will actually touch the ball on any possession.

Against the Pacers he had a great, an average and 2 bad games. He shot ~ .400 for the playoffs, averaging over 20 shots a game, so he was chucking the entire way.