If It Is To Be Said. So It Be. So It Is. The First Deadline Trade Thread.

[Curmudgeon]

Beal is just an expensive dream. And Beal, Tatum, Brown and a bunch of ring whores and minimum salary rookies won't produce a title. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough.

[zoyathedestroya]

Problem with that logic is that while Beal can want to come to Boston all he wants he's not going to turn down a trade to GSW in order to win a title. He wouldn't turn down a trade to play with Dame etc...Boston is not an attractive place for most players but the one shot they had was to be able to spend in free agency. Now they're left with no cap space for next season and no young pieces worthy to get back anything of consequence except for Williams who isn't getting moved.

We really didn't have cap space either way as soon as Tatum's max kicked in (unless we can magically make Horford's salary go away). However small the chance S&T had, that still has a higher chance of happening.

You could have dealt Horford with a pick for an expiring or two then renounce the TPEs in the offseason. There were ways to get that taken care of. It was just piss poor planning. As good as Williams has been can anyone sit here and say that by waiting until the offseason he would have made that much more? Its a wing league.

Williams would have a significant cap hold. I haven't run the numbers but you likely lose him too. So it's really Tatum, Brown, Beal, maybe Pritchard and a bunch of minimums if you're going cap space route.

[sully00]

He fits pretty well on that Charlotte team now where he's not a #1 option. I think that's all a coaching thing; I loved Brad but one of his biggest knocks was not setting clear & concise roles for the players. I think Rozier would have thrived here long term with the Jay's once he was given an opportunity to start. In hindsight, it should have been right when Kyrie left.

By that time though he had already crossed the point of no return and torched the organization and some of his teammates. So you couldn't bring him back even if you wanted to. His contract was good for the Hornets but would have been overpaid here for the role he would have played. However, no one knew that Marcus would get a similar contract so maybe we were all wrong after all...

Was it really that bad? I don't really remember it that way but it was all pretty tumultuous during that time. I thought his biggest gripe was his role, which would have been solved if he was given the starting PG spot, instead of trading him for Kemba. I guess it doesn't matter anymore now.

No it wasn't that bad. There was probably and issue with Kyrie but so be it the real issue with Rozier was that he is just so much better as a starter playing off of other good players than he is as a bench scorer it is two different worlds. I think Boston would have kept him and given him a chance to battle it out with Smart if the deal with Kemba didn't come together. But he isn't without his flaws either.

[sully00]

Beal's contract with Boston would come in at around 4 years 180 million. It depends on exactly where next year's cap comes in.

But as I just described that comes with a 4th year option and he is going to expect a 5 year extension after year two. This is Durant's deal

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/kevin-durant-2717/

I mean he can want whatever he wants, but nobody has to give it to him.

If what he wants is the absolute most money he'll just stay in Washington.

That is the problem with these contracts that don't work that way. You can't afford to fire 45-50 mil dollar players. If Beal is going to give up his 5 year guarantee to join another team then he is going to want to know how that team is going to make him whole. If it isn't about paying the dude as much as you possibly can to make him happy then you probably should dance with a different girl.

[keevsnick1]

But as I just described that comes with a 4th year option and he is going to expect a 5 year extension after year two. This is Durant's deal

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/kevin-durant-2717/

I mean he can want whatever he wants, but nobody has to give it to him.

If what he wants is the absolute most money he'll just stay in Washington.

That is the problem with these contracts that don't work that way. You can't afford to fire 45-50 mil dollar players. If Beal is going to give up his 5 year guarantee to join another team then he is going to want to know how that team is going to make him whole. If it isn't about paying the dude as much as you possibly can to make him happy then you probably should dance with a different girl.

Beal's not good enough right now to get a guarantee that three years from now you'll pay him 5/200 or whatever the new deal would be. I get what you're saying, I just don't think he has the leverage to demand that right now. No sane front office is making that promise to him. Which is why he'll likely just take the full five year max from the Wiz.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So Brad has no interest in moving on from Smart? What trades are possible without him? For the love of God.

This is an issue.

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LMAO JAqua92's worst Nightmare. Learn to love the Cobra, he's a keeeeeeeepa.

Did Bradley say that?

[La Flame]

Jaylen Brown and Dennis Schroder to the Pelicans for Valanciunas, Hart, Satoransky (expiring) the Pelicans 2022 first rounder, lottery protected in 2022 and unprotected in 2023, and the Lakers 2023 first round pick.

Why? Wtf

Bring in a solid point guard. Bring in a solid center who can score. Get two first round picks, including one that almost certain to be in the lottery in the best draft of the decade (2023).

You would have to more Horford in a separate deal, or maybe just waive and stretch him.

Schroder is miles better than Satoransky, Romeo gives us everything that Hart would, Valanciunas and Rob don't fit. Picks are uncertainty, but certainly would make Tatum leave.

This is basically giving away an all-star for free

[Andrew McCeltic]

Beal isn’t in that Durant-Curry-Harden tier - lot of perimeter players above him - great scorer, but.. easy to overrate someone because they’re attainable and wouldn’t bail like Kawhi. Beal likely won’t be an all star this year.

[CelticFaninLBC]

This board will be chasing Beal until summer of 2025.

[sully00]

Problem with that logic is that while Beal can want to come to Boston all he wants he's not going to turn down a trade to GSW in order to win a title. He wouldn't turn down a trade to play with Dame etc...Boston is not an attractive place for most players but the one shot they had was to be able to spend in free agency. Now they're left with no cap space for next season and no young pieces worthy to get back anything of consequence except for Williams who isn't getting moved.

We really didn't have cap space either way as soon as Tatum's max kicked in (unless we can magically make Horford's salary go away). However small the chance S&T had, that still has a higher chance of happening.

You could have dealt Horford with a pick for an expiring or two then renounce the TPEs in the offseason. There were ways to get that taken care of. It was just piss poor planning. As good as Williams has been can anyone sit here and say that by waiting until the offseason he would have made that much more? Its a wing league.

Rob Williams would easily cost double based on this season. He is the big every team is looking for.

[sully00]

I mean he can want whatever he wants, but nobody has to give it to him.

If what he wants is the absolute most money he'll just stay in Washington.

That is the problem with these contracts that don't work that way. You can't afford to fire 45-50 mil dollar players. If Beal is going to give up his 5 year guarantee to join another team then he is going to want to know how that team is going to make him whole. If it isn't about paying the dude as much as you possibly can to make him happy then you probably should dance with a different girl.

Beal's not good enough right now to get a guarantee that three years from now you'll pay him 5/200 or whatever the new deal would be. I get what you're saying, I just don't think he has the leverage to demand that right now. No sane front office is making that promise to him. Which is why he'll likely just take the full five year max from the Wiz.

Okay then he stays in Washington he seems good with that so he has the leverage. For Boston to acquire Beal they basically have to tamper with him and get him to force his way to Boston. Only Boston fans would think that this could also come at a discount. I am not trying to be snarky about it, I agree with your premise that Beal isn't worth it I am just trying to say that a lot of bandwith has been used up on this idea and it only comes with a massive overpay in talent and treasure.

[Curmudgeon]

Quite apart from Beal, the Wizards have an oversupply of power forwards/centers, especially with Thomas Bryant coming back from his injury. Horford to the Wizards for Bertans and Bryant (or Harrell) makes sense to me. Bertans is owed a ton of money and isn't playing much.

[Celts17Pride]

Bertans is owed a ton of money and isn't playing much.

For a reason.

Bertans the last three seasons:

FG Pct

2020 .434
2021 .404
2022 .358

3PT Pct

2020 .424
2021 .395
2022 .336

After this year 3 years left on his contract for $49 million. No thank you unless he comes with Beal.

[Tyakack]

Beal is just an expensive dream. And Beal, Tatum, Brown and a bunch of ring whores and minimum salary rookies won't produce a title. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough.

I agree they aren't now but that doesn't mean you don't try to get them help if you can. You don't go, "Meh, these two probably aren't good enough so im not gonna add another star to the team". What else would you do?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Beal is just an expensive dream. And Beal, Tatum, Brown and a bunch of ring whores and minimum salary rookies won't produce a title. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough.

Who are your top 10 players 25 years old and younger and can you list their number of titles.

[Celts17Pride]

Beal is just an expensive dream. And Beal, Tatum, Brown and a bunch of ring whores and minimum salary rookies won't produce a title. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough.

Who are your top 10 players 25 years old and younger and can you list their number of titles.

You are not with the narrative.

[Curmudgeon]

Beal is just an expensive dream. And Beal, Tatum, Brown and a bunch of ring whores and minimum salary rookies won't produce a title. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough.

Who are your top 10 players 25 years old and younger and can you list their number of titles.

Meh, that's a red herring. Tatum and Brown are barely good enough to make the playoffs, never mind titles. You can always argue that they aren't good enough now but they'll get there. I don't see them getting there at all. Tatum is regressing. Brown's shooting has definitely improved but his other flaws (turnovers, defensive lapses) have not been corrected.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Beal is just an expensive dream. And Beal, Tatum, Brown and a bunch of ring whores and minimum salary rookies won't produce a title. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough.

Who are your top 10 players 25 years old and younger and can you list their number of titles.

Meh, that's a red herring. Tatum and Brown are barely good enough to make the playoffs, never mind titles. You can always argue that they aren't good enough now but they'll get there. I don't see them getting there at all. Tatum is regressing. Brown's shooting has definitely improved but his other flaws (turnovers, defensive lapses) have not been corrected.

Who do you forsee getting there?

[fallguy]

I do think we're going to trade Smart but not until the summer.

Westbrook is a train wreck.

Still curious about selling high on Jaylen but totally realize C's will not.

Not really interested in Beal.

Would love to ditch vets and play kids but Ime/Brad.

Feeling trapped.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bertans is owed a ton of money and isn't playing much.

For a reason.

Bertans the last three seasons:

FG Pct

2020 .434
2021 .404
2022 .358

3PT Pct

2020 .424
2021 .395
2022 .336

After this year 3 years left on his contract for $49 million. No thank you unless he comes with Beal.

He’s up to .336 from three? Must’ve warmed up lately