Jayson Tatum Thread – (All-NBA Team, 2024)

BK_2020 · Post #181 » by **BK_2020** » Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:42 pm

Ime puts Tatum on Curry and Curry suddenly has his worst shooting night in the finals. Other adjustments were made but somehow no one talks about what is to me the most obvious one.

TheMartian · Post #182 » by **TheMartian** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:24 am

tlee324 wrote:Most turnovers in a playoff season in NBA history.

To be fair, JT eclipsed Lebron in his 23rd playoff game of the postseason. Lebron had 94 in 22 games in 2018. That means Tatum only had 91 TOV after 22 games. Lebron still has him beat on average. :wink:

DaBeegDeek · Post #183 » by **DaBeegDeek** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:25 am

What a bitch this dude is.

The Corey's · Post #184 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:33 am

He had a horrible finals. It can't be denied. Anyone who uses their Hocus pocus and word voimit to suggest otherwise is just debating in bad faith.

BUT ATLEAST HES YOUNG

illmatic24 · Post #185 » by **illmatic24** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:35 am

I don’t know if it’s an injury or being mentally weak/lacking confidence or he’s just suddenly tired from all the minutes he has played. But all you can hope for is that this performance motivates him like crazy to get back to the finals and do a much better job next time. Hopefully there is a next time.

Shamrock · Post #186 » by **Shamrock** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:35 am

Still like him as a player and believe in him long term but dude got embarrassed in the finals. Really hope he learns and grows from this

Post #187 » by **tlee324** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:38 am

I really wanted him to prove me wrong tonight. I hope he learns from this and comes back much improved with a lot more toughness, heart, and keeping them damn turnovers down.

Almeida · Post #188 » by **Almeida** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:41 am

Mentally he wasn’t there at all in the Finals. To a lesser degree, obviously, it reminded me of how LeBron looked against Dallas.

He was great in the first and second round and not as good against the Heat, but still good. Hopefully he’ll just get even better after this.

chrisab123 · Post #189 » by **chrisab123** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:41 am

His mental game is weak sauce. He wants to be Kobe but he has the mental capacity of KD in a big game. The Celtics either need to bring in an Alpha or Tatum will need to go somewhere else and play with a real dude like Jimmy Butler in order to win a title.

elchengue20 · Post #190 » by **elchengue20** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:19 am

Yikes, that was embarassing.

Still, hes only 25 and this was his first Finals, maybe he pulls a Lebron.

The Corey's · Post #191 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:21 am

elchengue20 wrote:Yikes, that was embarassing.

Still, hes only 25 and this was his first Finals, maybe he pulls a Lebron.

Where is the cap gonna come from to surround him with other superstars?

stepbackj34 · Post #192 » by **stepbackj34** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:22 am

MagicBagley18 wrote:
tlee324 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
It’s not a good thing, but context is obviously needed. He’s turned the ball over too much, but 4.1 a game isn’t some crazy number.

He was having an all time great playoff run for his age, until the finals. Crap timing, but he’s still got time to end it on a high note.

I'm just seeing a lot of excuses and d---riding for him. He has great skill, an extremely likable person off court, but we need to be real when he's not delivering on it. He's soft and does not have the killer mentality of the all-NBA level Celtics in his position before him, and it's costing the team in the end. Maybe he'll develop that, but it's looking dim right now.

Was he soft when he saved our season against the bucks with 46? This is such a ridiculous narrative this soft thing. Has he been good in the finals? No. He needs to be better. His shooting as sucked. He’s underwhelmed for sure.

But soft? Gtfo. If he was soft we wouldn’t even be in the finals- we would have been home 2 rounds ago. Killer mentality like which all nba level Celtic? Bird? so he’s not bird- fair enough.

Pierce? sorry but let me know when pierce was the best player on a team he led to the finals......I’ll wait. I love pierce - probably my favorite Celtic all time but Tatum is a 24 year old guy who needs to play better but he’s not soft.

Pierce was the leading scorer on two teams that went to the finals. Pierce and Garnett were interchangeable 1A/1B during those runs. If that had the “ECF MVP” back then, Pierce is probably looking at two ECF MVPs and a finals MVP on his resume.

A pre big 3 Pierce would make the finals with the 2022 Celtics as well. People are acting like this Celtics team wasnt stacked, and Tatum carried this team to the finals alone is crazy.

Williams
Hortford
Brown
Smart

That’s an insane supporting cast with 3 big time defensive players including the DPOY. That’s a better supporting cast than Pierce ever played with pre big 3 but leave it to a “Celtics fan” to tell you how Pierce couldn’t lead a team of bums to the finals.

DaBeegDeek · Post #193 » by **DaBeegDeek** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:27 am

100 turnovers this postseason. The most by one player in NBA history.

KGtabake · Post #194 » by **KGtabake** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:29 am

Leave the Kobe thing at home.
It doesn't help you. You have to understand this.
Great season overall, still growing.
But Jaylen is way ahead in terms of mindset.
Maybe Jayson should look for inspiration right beside him and not on his childhood's memories.

Mr_Mojo_Risin · Post #195 » by **Mr_Mojo_Risin** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:34 am

The Corey's wrote:He had a horrible finals. It can't be denied. Anyone who uses their Hocus pocus and word voimit to suggest otherwise is just debating in bad faith.

BUT ATLEAST HES YOUNG

Averaging 21/7/7 while getting the attention he does is not a horrible series despite the turnovers.

We needed him to be more, but if we even had half a better bench than we did we still would have likely won with Tatum playing exactly as he did.

The Corey's · Post #196 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:36 am

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
The Corey's wrote:He had a horrible finals. It can't be denied. Anyone who uses their Hocus pocus and word voimit to suggest otherwise is just debating in bad faith.

BUT ATLEAST HES YOUNG

Averaging 21/7/7 while getting the attention he does is not a horrible series despite the turnovers.

We needed him to be more, but if we even had half a better bench than we did we still would have likely won with Tatum playing exactly as he did.

Avg close to 5 turnovers a game too. For the WHOLE playoffs.

Not good enough.

Nature of the best. All the credit. All the blame.

Mr_Mojo_Risin · Post #197 » by **Mr_Mojo_Risin** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:44 am

The Corey's wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
The Corey's wrote:He had a horrible finals. It can't be denied. Anyone who uses their Hocus pocus and word voimit to suggest otherwise is just debating in bad faith.

BUT ATLEAST HES YOUNG

Averaging 21/7/7 while getting the attention he does is not a horrible series despite the turnovers.

We needed him to be more, but if we even had half a better bench than we did we still would have likely won with Tatum playing exactly as he did.

Avg close to 5 turnovers a game too. For the WHOLE playoffs.

Not good enough.

Nature of the best. All the credit. All the blame.

Too many turnovers sure. But not a horrible finals and a very good playoffs before that.

He never gets all the credit from me nor all the blame. We needed him to be better because the bench (and Al at times) didn’t show up. We need him to be better in future but horrible is not accurate IMO.

The Corey's · Post #198 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:48 am

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:Averaging 21/7/7 while getting the attention he does is not a horrible series despite the turnovers.

We needed him to be more, but if we even had half a better bench than we did we still would have likely won with Tatum playing exactly as he did.

Avg close to 5 turnovers a game too. For the WHOLE playoffs.

Not good enough.

Nature of the best. All the credit. All the blame.

Too many turnovers sure. But not a horrible finals and a very good playoffs before that.

He never gets all the credit from me nor all the blame. We needed him to be better because the bench (and Al at times) didn’t show up. We need him to be better in future but horrible is not accurate IMO.

He's paid too much to not be the alpha at all times.

It's a personality thing. He can't go there. He doesn't have that switch.

Mr_Mojo_Risin · Post #199 » by **Mr_Mojo_Risin** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:53 am

The Corey's wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Avg close to 5 turnovers a game too. For the WHOLE playoffs.

Not good enough.

Nature of the best. All the credit. All the blame.

Too many turnovers sure. But not a horrible finals and a very good playoffs before that.

He never gets all the credit from me nor all the blame. We needed him to be better because the bench (and Al at times) didn’t show up. We need him to be better in future but horrible is not accurate IMO.

He's paid too much to not be the alpha at all times.

It's a personality thing. He can't go there. He doesn't have that switch.

I’ve seen it at times, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Time will tell.

One thing is for certain, if we have more dangerous shooters around him he’ll be doubled less and take advantage, or other teams will pay more for doubling.

He’s a hell of a player still young and getting better every year. I personally wouldn’t bet against him.

The Corey's · Post #200 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:04 am

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:Too many turnovers sure. But not a horrible finals and a very good playoffs before that.

He never gets all the credit from me nor all the blame. We needed him to be better because the bench (and Al at times) didn’t show up. We need him to be better in future but horrible is not accurate IMO.

He's paid too much to not be the alpha at all times.

It's a personality thing. He can't go there. He doesn't have that switch.

I’ve seen it at times, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Time will tell.

One thing is for certain, if we have more dangerous shooters around him he’ll be doubled less and take advantage, or other teams will pay more for doubling.

He’s a hell of a player still young and getting better every year. I personally wouldn’t bet against him.

Not a whole lot of assets and cap for them to find these shooters.

Gonna be rough to get the guys help. Their defense brought them to the top of the mountain but their offense couldn't get them the throne.

But yes. Find the shooters.