Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[BRUNiNHO91]

Any trade would probably be the beginning of the end. We won’t get a better player, we won’t get equal value, we will be limited with trade partners because he won’t re sign with most teams and we will probably piss Tatum off in the process.

IMO they hand him the supermax, they retain the asset and hope he improves as he hits his prime and they try to add around it to get over the hump. At this point I think you’re glued into the Tatum/Brown duo until Tatum decides to blow it up by leaving himself.

[GTR11]

Any trade would probably be the beginning of the end. We won’t get a better player, we won’t get equal value, we will be limited with trade partners because he won’t re sign with most teams and we will probably piss Tatum off in the process.

IMO they hand him the supermax, they retain the asset and hope he improves as he hits his prime and they try to add around it to get over the hump. At this point I think you’re glued into the Tatum/Brown duo until Tatum decides to blow it up by leaving himself.

Exactly, until most of you guys won't understand that, there is no point talking about anything. Might as well talk to the wall.

You guys took your shot this year to see what's good. It didn't work out, furthermore added extra questions on top.

Brown can walk next offseason for nothing like Kyrie. Time started to tic tak.

[fallguy]

I doubt Brad is firing Joe or trading Jaylen so most of these posts are (logical) frustrated pipedream thoughts

Brad has already tried to trade Jaylen and before that, he was presumably on board with Ainge's many attempts to trade Jaylen.
Joe, I don't know what needs to happen. I get the sense that he's like a very smart basketball guy who's too young and unseasoned to get the buy-in, like Brad was when he first started coaching in the NBA--except Brad was presiding over a rebuilding team.

Joe is spectacularly insecure (and thusly arrogant). He's no basketball genius and to the extent that he can become a good head coach... we don't have time. Plus, there are real questions whether anyone in that locker room respects him.

Agreed on Jaylen.

[Marvel]

The 180 on brown from some is funny…

Stick around plenty more to come.

[Dr Positivity]

I think a Siakam and Brown trade is pretty logical. SIakam and Barnes aren't the best fit, Brown might work better. Celtics with Siakam have a lot of PGs and bigs but I think him and Tatum would have good chemistry.

[Duke4life831]

It’s pretty simple why Pelicans don’t do this lmao. They literally would have 0 playmakers other than Zion if they trade Ingram. Zion isn’t reliable. Jaylen can’t pass the ball at all, he’s a scorer through and through. This trade doesn’t seem realistic at all. Again realistic and possible targets are Young, Mitchell and Siakim. Ideal player is Bridges easily but Nets aren’t that dumb

I just dont see Ingram having significantly higher trade value than those guys listed. Mitchell was 6th in MVP voting this year. BI made an all star game 4 seasons ago.

Jaylen Brown for Brandon Ingram seems like a dream trade for the Celtics.

All of our current players need an elite PG next to them to reach their potential on offense. We can't find one, so swapping out Brown for another player who can actually run the offense in Ingram would give us two with both Tatum and Ingram.

And with both being big players generally two big players that can run the offense is enough to have more than a defense can scheme around and let us run sets.

Move Smart to off ball where he belongs and limit his moronic passes and shots. And actually get some open shots for Tatum and we've got a championship core on our hands.


That said him being 25, unable to really play much defense, and barely getting to 60 games played in the last 4 years is highly concerning.

That's a lot of warts. And it doesn't help if we're trading for a guy who won't be available to play when we make the playoffs, which seems to be our speciality lately by rostering the oldest starting Center in Horford, injury prone Rob and Brogdon, and Smart is known for his injuries himself.

But yeah so it makes sense why both teams would be interested in a trade.

It's a high risk but with the ceiling that a Smart/White/Brown/Tatum core has shown you that 0 playmaking outside of Tatum has reached... I think that's a dream trade to take. One of the very few realistic retools on the fly to actually get a roster that fits.

I will just push back on the defense thing. He's an above average defender now. The Pels were the 6th ranked defense this year and that was with CJ as the starting PG. Dont get me wrong, he's not a game changer on that end or anything like that. But he is damn solid now on the defensive end. Ya it would be great if he were to use his length more often to get steals and blocks. But he definitely isnt a negative on that end anymore. He's a positive because he plays with good effort and is smart. He just plays his role on that end.

And ya the durability the last 2 years has been an issue. But with that said, he has always been available for the Pels when it comes to them making their late season push and playoffs/playin.

But ya I think his playmaking ability and ability to easily get the shots he wants whenever he wants, would be a nice culture change for this team. Less his turn/my turn offense and more actual playmaking from one of the top 2 options. And another thing to remember with BI, since going to the Pels he has delt with some of the worst spacing in the league year in year out. Whenever Zion is in, BI is playing with 2 players that dont spread the floor (Pels only get bigs that dont spread the floor for some reason). Put BI in an offense with better spacing, he will be that much better.

[CpttCanada]

Trae Young, Mitchell or Siakim and OG are who id like tbh. Bridges would be sick but no chance to get him.

If the Celtics had Siakam instead of Brown this year they would hands down have won it all this year.

[Kalela]

My guess is the trade that will happen is Brown for Bradley Beal. Brown will sign the supermax and then will be traded for Beal. Personally, I want to see Brown traded for a star big. KAT is the only one that the Celtics may be able to get and that is a big if.

[Marvin Martian]

Mikal Bridges & Nic Claxton would be a great haul.

Zero interest in Siakam.

What does Brown do better than Bridges?

[Marvel]

My guess is the trade that will happen is Brown for Bradley Beal. Brown will sign the supermax and then will be traded for Beal. Personally, I want to see Brown traded for a star big. KAT is the only one that the Celtics may be able to get and that is a big if.

KATs IQ probably give JBs IQ a run for his money lmao.

[Marvel]

Trae Young, Mitchell or Siakim and OG are who id like tbh. Bridges would be sick but no chance to get him.

If the Celtics had Caleb Martin instead of Brown this year they would hands down have won it all this year.

Fixed for you

[The Sebastian Express]

Since we are already targeting Portland, why not Nurkic? He is an excellent screener and underrated defender. It would change our offense in every dimension. Tatum/ Nurkic pick and roll or we could use him for dribble hand off to shooters to open the 3 ball, sort of the same way Miami does with Bam Adebayo.

I'm probably one of the ones still good on Nurk over in the Portland fans area here on realGM. He is a superb screener. Also an underrated passer out of the high post.

But you can't play him against small ball fives in the playoffs. And I love Nurk. He may be able to stay on the floor against the likes of Bam (who I am not super high on), but there's a lot of teams in the east besides Philly that can shift over fours to small ball fives. And Nurk cannot play against them. He will get run off the floor. He just isn't fast enough and while he can back down and is expanding to the three point game, he gets a little clumsy with the ball in the post and is also a softer finisher - puts up a lot of wild shots when he isn't 110% dialed in, so it makes it hard for him to punish smaller guys who are good defenders with solidly fast hands.

So I don't think he'd be helping out Boston in the short-term unless you play him in situational spots in a lot of series.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Off the top of my head I’d be interested in something that involved one of Ingram/Bridges/Siakam/Bane.

JB was great in the finals last year, he has a lot of value even if it doesn’t feel like it right now. He almost certainly was playing injured with his hand and wrist which exacerbated the poor handle.

But…we need a better fit. I’d rather keep JB than make the wrong trade though.

[NO-KG-AI]

Simons + #3 if they won't trade Lillard. Who says no?

[Jakeopp]

Any trade would probably be the beginning of the end. We won’t get a better player, we won’t get equal value, we will be limited with trade partners because he won’t re sign with most teams and we will probably piss Tatum off in the process.

IMO they hand him the supermax, they retain the asset and hope he improves as he hits his prime and they try to add around it to get over the hump. At this point I think you’re glued into the Tatum/Brown duo until Tatum decides to blow it up by leaving himself.

Feels like we're screwed either way. Not good enough as-is, and no realistic path to improvement aside from praying for our existing core to develop further in the off-season. Our big man rotation is looking rough, and it's only getting worse with Horford nearing 37 and Grant possibly heading out the door (debatable how much of a loss that is...). Can't afford to pay anyone decent and anyone we draft won't see the court. I suppose we could try moving Brogdon or Smart for a big (?).

Personally, I'm done with JB. If he hasn't figured out how to dribble the ball by now, he never will. However any trade value we'd get in return this off-season isn't going to be substantial given his contract situation.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

I'm not convinced about KAT from a mental perspective, but he might be an option too.

[Marvel]

Off the top of my head I’d be interested in something that involved one of Ingram/Bridges/Siakam/Bane.

JB was great in the finals last year, he has a lot of value even if it doesn’t feel like it right now. He almost certainly was playing injured with his hand and wrist which exacerbated the poor handle.

But…we need a better fit. I’d rather keep JB than make the wrong trade though.

Meh the wrist thing is legit but the problem is his IQ and awareness. It's not like he just started to lose the ball on drives and whatever. This has been a problem for a minute and is still a problem. I don't buy the wrist thing at all.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Off the top of my head I’d be interested in something that involved one of Ingram/Bridges/Siakam/Bane.

JB was great in the finals last year, he has a lot of value even if it doesn’t feel like it right now. He almost certainly was playing injured with his hand and wrist which exacerbated the poor handle.

But…we need a better fit. I’d rather keep JB than make the wrong trade though.

Meh the wrist thing is legit but the problem is his IQ and awareness. It's not like he just started to lose the ball on drives and whatever. This has been a problem for a minute and is still a problem. I don't buy the wrist thing at all.

Don't get me wrong, it's an issue anyway but I still think it was affecting him.

[threrf23]

Part of the issue here is simply that our coach enabled him all season.

I don't know if I want to see Jaylen traded in the offseason, I'd hate to see him leave on this note and it affects his trade value too.

I also don't want to see us give him the SuperMax, not even thrilled to have him on a regular max, and even if he was worth the supermax it would still arguably make sense to trade him for someone that better complemented JT. So I'm all in favor of trading him by the deadline.

[TheBookOfIsaiah]

I doubt Brad is firing Joe or trading Jaylen so most of these posts are (logical) frustrated pipedream thoughts

Brad has already tried to trade Jaylen and before that, he was presumably on board with Ainge's many attempts to trade Jaylen.
Joe, I don't know what needs to happen. I get the sense that he's like a very smart basketball guy who's too young and unseasoned to get the buy-in, like Brad was when he first started coaching in the NBA--except Brad was presiding over a rebuilding team.

He tried to trade Jaylen for Kevin Durant. Unless another deal like that comes along Jaylen is back.