Even The Celts Cavn't Figured Out How to Win Em All! Loss vs CLE 3/5

[Fierce1]

The Jays and the Celtics are good enough to win the championship this season.

But there's still a lot of questions that will only be answered in the playoffs.

Next season is really the best chance for this Cs team to win a championship IMO.

And if the Cs win Banner 18 this season, a repeat in 2025 is very likely, and a 3-peat in 2026 will be doable.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

But none of this would matter had Tatum showed up in the 2nd half, particularly in the 4th, where he went 1/9 (0/2 from 3) with 0 assists and a staggering -17 playing the entire Q.

Quite honestly, I prefer the loss and having to learn (again) not to wait to get into your last play action. I’d rather they face this in the RS over and over until they execute better, and I don’t mean the last second bail out hero shot that masks the poor execution.

Only way we'll know if they really learned their lessons is in the postseason. TBD if they can do better when it matters most. But fans are justified feeling disappointed/disgusted that same mistakes are being made over and over, regular season or not. Until they actually win the whole thing, skepticism and constant criticism will follow them. Just part of it.

I’m disappointed the same mistakes are happening which is why I want this to keep happening (close games) again and again in the RS until they learn to execute well consistently, preferably prior to the playoffs.

I also would hope in the playoffs Joe calls a timeout earlier and they don’t even enter a clutch scenario, but I want them prepared for the playoffs for that scenario as much as possible.

[Fierce1]

Wow!

10 pages already.

Cs did not lose for 1 month.

A lot of pent-up Joe hate energy that got unleashed today.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I care about the playoffs.

Frankly, the Celtics should run away with the title.

Considering the 2018 Warriors with Prime Steph and Prime Durant didn’t even run away with the title, expecting us to is ridiculous.

So you're already giving Joe a bailout. Noted.

No.

I just think it’s absurd to expect the Celtics to run away with the title.

I believe they are a strong chance and should be expected to win, but it won’t be easy.

Running away with the title rarely ever happens even with an all time great team like the Warriors which was my point….

[Fierce1]

Quite honestly, I prefer the loss and having to learn (again) not to wait to get into your last play action. I’d rather they face this in the RS over and over until they execute better, and I don’t mean the last second bail out hero shot that masks the poor execution.

Only way we'll know if they really learned their lessons is in the postseason. TBD if they can do better when it matters most. But fans are justified feeling disappointed/disgusted that same mistakes are being made over and over, regular season or not. Until they actually win the whole thing, skepticism and constant criticism will follow them. Just part of it.

I’m disappointed the same mistakes are happening which is why I want this to keep happening (close games) again and again in the RS until they learn to execute well consistently, preferably prior to the playoffs.

I also would hope in the playoffs Joe calls a timeout earlier and they don’t even enter a clutch scenario, but I want them prepared for the playoffs for that scenario as much as possible.

Totally agree with you on that one.

It's not like situations like the last minute of this game could be simulated in practice.

Only way this team learns is if they fail and realize that they failed.

They will not learn anything from wins like against GSW.

Even Michael Jordan got beat up a lot of times before finally beating the Pistons in 1991.

[Fierce1]

Considering the 2018 Warriors with Prime Steph and Prime Durant didn’t even run away with the title, expecting us to is ridiculous.

So you're already giving Joe a bailout. Noted.

No.

I just think it’s absurd to expect the Celtics to run away with the title.

I believe they are a strong chance and should be expected to win, but it won’t be easy.

Running away with the title rarely ever happens even with an all time great team like the Warriors which was my point….

Maybe he's a Playstation guy.

If you're a really good Playstation player and you are playing the Celtics with this good of a roster, you could easily run away with the title.

Of course that's in Playstation world.

[The Corey's]

Considering the 2018 Warriors with Prime Steph and Prime Durant didn’t even run away with the title, expecting us to is ridiculous.

So you're already giving Joe a bailout. Noted.

No.

I just think it’s absurd to expect the Celtics to run away with the title.

I believe they are a strong chance and should be expected to win, but it won’t be easy.

Running away with the title rarely ever happens even with an all time great team like the Warriors which was my point….

Absurd or not if they don't win the title heads gonna roll baby.

But don't worry, Joe will not coach them out of the title because the Celtics have this **** wrapped up.

[GrandTheftRondo]

The last shot wasn’t great but they actually made some good offensive plays down the stretch.

We got Porzingis a post up and he should have had an and one.

We used him in an action to get Holiday a layup back door.

We pushed the pace and found Porzingis for an and one layup.

We just couldn’t stop the three point barrage.

So I don’t agree with the learned nothing narrative. We’ve made some changes and Porzingis was heavily involved late, just need to get even better.

[zoyathedestroya]

Quite honestly, I prefer the loss and having to learn (again) not to wait to get into your last play action. I’d rather they face this in the RS over and over until they execute better, and I don’t mean the last second bail out hero shot that masks the poor execution.

Only way we'll know if they really learned their lessons is in the postseason. TBD if they can do better when it matters most. But fans are justified feeling disappointed/disgusted that same mistakes are being made over and over, regular season or not. Until they actually win the whole thing, skepticism and constant criticism will follow them. Just part of it.

I’m disappointed the same mistakes are happening which is why I want this to keep happening (close games) again and again in the RS until they learn to execute well consistently, preferably prior to the playoffs.

I also would hope in the playoffs Joe calls a timeout earlier and they don’t even enter a clutch scenario, but I want them prepared for the playoffs for that scenario as much as possible.

On one hand, JT and JB have a thousand minutes of clutch time reps by now. On the other, this is the first season they're doing it with KP, Jrue, and White. So I get you.

I just can't over how dumb this loss was. No Mitchell, no Mobley in the 4th. Up 22 with 9 minutes to go. Gave up 20 pts to a scrub in one Q. And how dumb our final possession went down.

Dunno when this article was written, but if it's recent, then we were on the awful end of the 4th best 4th Q comeback in NBA history.

[Sweet Serenity]

To not accept that Joe is a coaching liability is to not deal in reality.

He was horrendous last year and everyone said he was just learning on the fly and this year he would have his own staff and implement his system.

Meanwhile, he sits there with three fingers up his ass with his serial killer stare watching as the game burns away.

What the **** is he doing when that happens? What part of that coaching do you find acceptable?

Exactly.

Ah yes, he’s so bad that he’s lead us to a 48-13 record while having the 4th best net rating of all time ..

What a terrible coach

Ahh. You think it's Joe and not the roster. Now it makes sense.

So when they win it's cause Joe coaching. When they lose it's cause they didn't take to Joe's coaching.

I found Joe's burner account.

Imagine hating the coach that much you don’t think he has anything to do with the level of dominance he’s showed this season

[zoyathedestroya]

The last shot wasn’t great but they actually made some good offensive plays down the stretch.

We got Porzingis a post up and he should have had an and one.

We used him in an action to get Holiday a layup back door.

We pushed the pace and found Porzingis for an and one layup.

We just couldn’t stop the three point barrage.

So I don’t agree with the learned nothing narrative. We’ve made some changes and Porzingis was heavily involved late, just need to get even better.

We've gotten better at clutch time execution overall. KP and White have helped so much this season in that regard. It's really just the final possession that was mindbogglingly bad. Clock management is taught at lower levels of organized basketball. Tatum should know by now what to do in that situation, esp after the G4 loss against the Sixers.

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

Just praying we're not the ones "woulda, shoulda, coulda-ing" in May/June.

[zoyathedestroya]

Mostly mad at Joe for not caring about our net rating. That's Mission One -- maintain the historic net rating and SRS. The 18th banner is just a consolation prize.

Thankfully, our net rating only fell from being 4th best all-time to 4th best all-time. But our SRS fell from 4th to 5th.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Only way we'll know if they really learned their lessons is in the postseason. TBD if they can do better when it matters most. But fans are justified feeling disappointed/disgusted that same mistakes are being made over and over, regular season or not. Until they actually win the whole thing, skepticism and constant criticism will follow them. Just part of it.

I’m disappointed the same mistakes are happening which is why I want this to keep happening (close games) again and again in the RS until they learn to execute well consistently, preferably prior to the playoffs.

I also would hope in the playoffs Joe calls a timeout earlier and they don’t even enter a clutch scenario, but I want them prepared for the playoffs for that scenario as much as possible.

On one hand, JT and JB have a thousand minutes of clutch time reps by now. On the other, this is the first season they're doing it with KP, Jrue, and White. So I get you.

I just can't over how dumb this loss was. No Mitchell, no Mobley in the 4th. Up 22 with 9 minutes to go. Gave up 20 pts to a scrub in one Q. And how dumb our final possession went down.

Dunno when this article was written, but if it's recent, then we were on the awful end of the 4th best 4th Q comeback in NBA history.

In all honesty I don’t think the coaches are sweating single game results in comparison to the big picture this year. Everything I’ve seen of Joe suggests he is a complete psycho (in a good way) and would not give a single **** about this game in the context of our season and goals, regardless of historical records.

I must say I don’t either. What I do expect however is come the playoffs that:
a) Joe calls the timeout far earlier when he sees they’re not playing the right way and brings the starters back in; AND
b) if the game is in the clutch, that we’ve learnt from our many mistakes and they execute consistently well. That doesn’t mean they win them all but that the process and timing is good by both players and coaches.

[steefP2]

Bad loss. Unquestionably they sucked. Even up 20 I didn’t think they played as well as they’ve done recently in this game. Just goes to show you have to play for 48 minutes or weird **** can and will happen. They lost this game by losing defensive focus in the 4th. Hard to play good offense when you’re taking the ball out of the net every time against a good set defense. Cavs didn’t miss a fg for 9 min straight and had 8 consecutive 3 point makes.

But they’ve been soooo much better about not letting up the gas and not losing focus for longer stretches all season that I’m comfortable giving them a pass. They’re not perfect and I don’t expect them to be. Worst game they’ve played since the wizards one (but that was the wizards so we won anyway).

It’s more painful to lose this way but still better to be up 20 and lose by 1 than to be down wire to wire and not be able to win at the end.

They just played poorly across the board imo; some good stretches by some guys but the spacing/positioning wasn’t as crisp as usual, the decision making was worse and slower and the intensity was several notches below.

Probably a good reminder and reset button for the team.

[CelticsPride18]

For some reason Tillman was inactive last night

[Fierce1]

Just win 1 of the 2 against the Nuggets and Suns.

Everybody here agreed this 5-game stretch is the toughest 5-game stretch for the Cs season.

If Cs win win both then this loss to the Cavs would be forgiven.

[Homerclease]

It's not the loss. It's only our 13th after all. Some fans are reacting this way because of how we lost and how it can project in postseason scenarios. This loss was 98% avoidable. In a playoff series, you win the avoidable losses. To give yourself some leeway when you do lose the unavoidable ones.

This. This is the point that is being lost on a lot of people. People are pointing to how we are ranked third in clutch situations and so on and so forth and that’s all well and good. This game should’ve never been in a clutch situation, period. They got up 20 against a team down a few key guys and simply took their foot off the gas. The coach failed to realize this, or did realize it and did nothing to correct it and it cost the team the game. Now if there were evidence that this strategy would change in the postseason I wouldn’t be as concerned but this has been Joes MO since he inherited the team.

[Birdon]

The Jays and the Celtics are good enough to win the championship this season.

But there's still a lot of questions that will only be answered in the playoffs.

Next season is really the best chance for this Cs team to win a championship IMO.

And if the Cs win Banner 18 this season, a repeat in 2025 is very likely, and a 3-peat in 2026 will be doable.

Between JT’s ghost quarters, JB’s turnovers and OJT Joe’s timeout saving schemes, we’ll need KP,Jrue and White to hold the fort in times of need during Playoffs.

[Parasite]

Just win 1 of the 2 against the Nuggets and Suns.

Everybody here agreed this 5-game stretch is the toughest 5-game stretch for the Cs season.

If Cs win win both then this loss to the Cavs would be forgiven.

It’s the manner in which they lost. Same old crap rearing it’s ugly head yet again.