Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[Fierce1]

I find it hard to believe if the lineup below can't win a chip.

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - JB
SG - White
PG - Kyrie

[phincsfan]

If and only IF Mavs are serious about win now championship, they would be crazy if they won't take JB and DWhite for Flagg.

AD - champion
JB - champion
Kyrie - champion
DWhite - champion
Gafford/Lively - big men

That's one hell of a top 6.

These trades in these threads never seem to happen, and that trade will NEVER happen.

Silver and the Mavs ownership destroyed the Dallas fans trust, but they made it up by putting the ping pong balls in the correct order , and then the Mavs tell the fans screw that we’re gonna put a bunch of 30 year olds together because they all won a ring(s)at some point and pass on the #1 overall pick?

That lineup is one injury away from making Tesla fire bombings look like a camp fire.

[ThePigeon]

I find it hard to believe if the lineup below can't win a chip.

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - JB
SG - White
PG - Kyrie

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - Cooper
SG - Thompson
PG - Kyrie

Will also be able to win a championship if healthy

[Hal14]

Tatum will be out next year (his age 27 season). In 26-27 he'll be back, but there's probably a rust factor. My best guess would be that it's 27-28 before he's all the way back (would be his age 29 season) or as close to it as he'll get.

At that point, 27-28 season, White will be going into his age 33 season. Age 31 for Jaylen. Many make it sounds "easy" as trading Porzingis/Jrue now and keeping Brown/White to jump right back to contention with Tatum after. I'm not sure that's entirely likely. I feel like the year that Tatum will miss and the year I expect him taking to "round back into form" will essentially eat up the rest of White's prime (just due to age) and maybe Jaylen's (between his reliance on athleticism and a somewhat concerning history of nagging injuries).

In this 2nd apron NBA, I think Holiday and Porzingis will mostly be viewed negatively on the trade market. You can probably hope for cheaper expiring salary slop filler if you try to move them - anything more probably requires us attaching assets to them which doesn't really make sense to do. White and Brown on the other hand? I think they could return actually useful pieces that might be MORE suited to run with Tatum by the time he's all the way back AND also shed enough money to alleviate some of our tax concerns.

The more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense to just go mega tank and trade Porzingis/Jrue for expiring filler that's cheaper and move Brown/White for actual value. Get a high pick next year, add some youth that can be in place in a few years as the support around Tatum.

I doubt it happens because a) even if we tank, we'll still probably have enough talent next year that we won't get that high of a pick and b) the lottery is all about luck, so unpredictable but man, if we could somehow get Cam Boozer in the 2026 draft, oh man that would be amazing.

Would extend our title window for like 10 more years.

I mean, you never know..Mavs had what like, 11th best lottery odds this year and got the no. 1 pick, in 2024 ATL went from the play in to win lottery for the no. 1 pick..so you never know.

Boozer is so good. His ceiling is like some type of Jokic/AD blend.

Tatum and Boozer, along with whatever supporting cast Brad can put together (in Brad we trust) would win at least 1 title.

Again, it's unlikely but you never know..

[Hal14]

I find it hard to believe if the lineup below can't win a chip.

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - JB
SG - White
PG - Kyrie

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - Cooper
SG - Thompson
PG - Kyrie

Will also be able to win a championship if healthy

Kyrie will be 34 years old coming off a torn ACL. I doubt a team is winning a title with him as its starting PG. By the time Kyrie is back in the lineup, Klay will be even older..AD will be older with more mileage, wear and tear on him.

Dallas will have 2 phases with Flagg. Phase 1 is the Flagg/AD/Kay/Kyrie crew that likely will not win a title but could possibly make a semi-deep playoff run.

Phase 2 will be after AD/Kyrie/Klay are too old and gone at that point..so it'll be Flagg/Lively/Christie and whoever else they add to the core over the next few years. If they play their cards right, they could possibly win a title in phase 2. But that would be several years from now, so much could change..

[celtics543]

If you cash out Brown, Porzingis. Holiday, and/or White for picks and younger guys, then by the time Tatum is ready to come back you could turn around and cash in those picks/young players for win now players to help Tatum while also avoiding the tax for a year or two.

Basically stock pile picks and young players with upside, play them to see what you have, end up in the lottery most likely, hope for a high pick and then flip all of it for a superstar and supporting players to come in and go into win-now mode with Tatum again.

Personally, I'd try to make a play at Zion by offering New Orleans, or someone else in a 3 team trade, win-now players. Try to get Zion healthy and ready to go with Tatum in 2026.

[ThePigeon]

If you cash out Brown, Porzingis. Holiday, and/or White for picks and younger guys, then by the time Tatum is ready to come back you could turn around and cash in those picks/young players for win now players to help Tatum while also avoiding the tax for a year or two.

Basically stock pile picks and young players with upside, play them to see what you have, end up in the lottery most likely, hope for a high pick and then flip all of it for a superstar and supporting players to come in and go into win-now mode with Tatum again.

Personally, I'd try to make a play at Zion by offering New Orleans, or someone else in a 3 team trade, win-now players. Try to get Zion healthy and ready to go with Tatum in 2026.

Zion is a curveball I didn't think about
What will it take to get him, as our own players are not hot commodities (maybe except JB and PP)

[gammajamma]

If you cash out Brown, Porzingis. Holiday, and/or White for picks and younger guys, then by the time Tatum is ready to come back you could turn around and cash in those picks/young players for win now players to help Tatum while also avoiding the tax for a year or two.

Basically stock pile picks and young players with upside, play them to see what you have, end up in the lottery most likely, hope for a high pick and then flip all of it for a superstar and supporting players to come in and go into win-now mode with Tatum again.

Personally, I'd try to make a play at Zion by offering New Orleans, or someone else in a 3 team trade, win-now players. Try to get Zion healthy and ready to go with Tatum in 2026.

Zion is a curveball I didn't think about
What will it take to get him, as our own players are not hot commodities (maybe except JB and PP)

maybe a 3 way with Houston

Bos sends Jaylen Brown
Bos receives Zion, Jabari Smith

Pelicans send Zion
Pelicans receives Dillon Brooks, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore, #10

Houston sends Dillon Brooks, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore, Jabari Smith, #10
Houston receives Jaylen Brown

Could swap Jabari and Sheppard's destination

[Larry_Russell]

I find it hard to believe if the lineup below can't win a chip.

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - JB
SG - White
PG - Kyrie

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - Cooper
SG - Thompson
PG - Kyrie

Will also be able to win a championship if healthy

No.

Cooper is out of position and Klay is cooked

[Larry_Russell]

If you cash out Brown, Porzingis. Holiday, and/or White for picks and younger guys, then by the time Tatum is ready to come back you could turn around and cash in those picks/young players for win now players to help Tatum while also avoiding the tax for a year or two.

Basically stock pile picks and young players with upside, play them to see what you have, end up in the lottery most likely, hope for a high pick and then flip all of it for a superstar and supporting players to come in and go into win-now mode with Tatum again.

Personally, I'd try to make a play at Zion by offering New Orleans, or someone else in a 3 team trade, win-now players. Try to get Zion healthy and ready to go with Tatum in 2026.

Zion is a curveball I didn't think about
What will it take to get him, as our own players are not hot commodities (maybe except JB and PP)

maybe a 3 way with Houston

Bos sends Jaylen Brown
Bos receives Zion, Jabari Smith

Pelicans send Zion
Pelicans receives Dillon Brooks, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore, #10

Houston sends Dillon Brooks, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore, Jabari Smith, #10
Houston receives Jaylen Brown

Could swap Jabari and Sheppard's destination

Just do Brown for Zion and Herb Jones.

[Fierce1]

I find it hard to believe if the lineup below can't win a chip.

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - JB
SG - White
PG - Kyrie

C - Lively
PF - AD
SF - Cooper
SG - Thompson
PG - Kyrie

Will also be able to win a championship if healthy

No.

Cooper is out of position and Klay is cooked

I agree.

Flagg is a true PF.

He's not a wing player, like JB.

[Froob]

derrick white and hauser for kcp and wendell carter. cmon lol

How'd you respond without even considering the picks?

or, the situation BOS ownership has acknowledged they are facing financially

or the fact that (awful) a ruptured Achilles tendon probably takes BOS out of contention next year (but not out of any payroll commitments)

It sucks...I went to Boston U. Still a Celts fan but...it is what it is and Stevens will have some hard decisions to face...I think he's the best and he'll find the way, but there WILL be changes. Pritchard and Jrue can pick up a lot of the heavy lifting that White has been doing.

what does this trade really accomplish? we lose one of our best players and get very little back. white gotta be worth more than a salary dump

[phincsfan]

If you cash out Brown, Porzingis. Holiday, and/or White for picks and younger guys, then by the time Tatum is ready to come back you could turn around and cash in those picks/young players for win now players to help Tatum while also avoiding the tax for a year or two.

Basically stock pile picks and young players with upside, play them to see what you have, end up in the lottery most likely, hope for a high pick and then flip all of it for a superstar and supporting players to come in and go into win-now mode with Tatum again.

Personally, I'd try to make a play at Zion by offering New Orleans, or someone else in a 3 team trade, win-now players. Try to get Zion healthy and ready to go with Tatum in 2026.

I'll play this game

C's get Zion, McCollum, Nets #26 slot (future Pels 1st's just don't have time to figure it out)

Pels get JB and Cam Johnson

Nets get Porzingis, C's #32 slot, Pels 25' 1st and and other Pels 1st's

[playa-hater]

Holy sheesh, I guess it takes a BB tragedy to have everyone come out of the woodwork.

Boston's demise = a much more interesting summer for sure. With so many trade ideas to contemplate my head is spinning. Still think Brown to Houston has the best chance in any Brown trade. I want no part of Green. He gives me Zach Lavine vibes. Would take Jabari + Green (if we can reroute Green) + 10 and FVV.

I can't imagine SAS wanting Brown. Just doesn't seem like their type of player. But getting #2 for Brown, I would do in a heart beat.

Still think Giannis to Dallas for Flagg + fillers makes too much sense for both teams. If your the Bucks you want a great player to rebuild with. Flagg is the top Prospect in years, so why not? Dallas becomes instant top 3 contender.

[playa-hater]

Don't know how the money would work but KP to GS seems like a good fit. His style and size is what they need.

[playa-hater]

Jrue to Orlando-Dallas or Detroit makes sense.

[Larry_Russell]

Holy sheesh, I guess it takes a BB tragedy to have everyone come out of the woodwork.

Boston's demise = a much more interesting summer for sure. With so many trade ideas to contemplate my head is spinning. Still think Brown to Houston has the best chance in any Brown trade. I want no part of Green. He gives me Zach Lavine vibes. Would take Jabari + Green (if we can reroute Green) + 10 and FVV.

I can't imagine SAS wanting Brown. Just doesn't seem like their type of player. But getting #2 for Brown, I would do in a heart beat.

Still think Giannis to Dallas for Flagg + fillers makes too much sense for both teams. If your the Bucks you want a great player to rebuild with. Flagg is the top Prospect in years, so why not? Dallas becomes instant top 3 contender.

Pops apparently WANTED Brown a short while ago.
and the fit is as good as you could imagine, imo.

[celtics543]

San Antonio is the perfect team for JB. They have the cap space because Wemby and Castle are cheap. Jaylen brings them something they don't have plus the championship experience to help be a leader.

#2 seems too steep of a price though. Not sure JB brings that in return.

[playa-hater]

Holy sheesh, I guess it takes a BB tragedy to have everyone come out of the woodwork.

Boston's demise = a much more interesting summer for sure. With so many trade ideas to contemplate my head is spinning. Still think Brown to Houston has the best chance in any Brown trade. I want no part of Green. He gives me Zach Lavine vibes. Would take Jabari + Green (if we can reroute Green) + 10 and FVV.

I can't imagine SAS wanting Brown. Just doesn't seem like their type of player. But getting #2 for Brown, I would do in a heart beat.

Still think Giannis to Dallas for Flagg + fillers makes too much sense for both teams. If your the Bucks you want a great player to rebuild with. Flagg is the top Prospect in years, so why not? Dallas becomes instant top 3 contender.

Pops apparently WANTED Brown a short while ago.
and the fit is as good as you could imagine, imo.

OK then Brown for number 2

[playa-hater]

San Antonio is the perfect team for JB. They have the cap space because Wemby and Castle are cheap. Jaylen brings them something they don't have plus the championship experience to help be a leader.

#2 seems too steep of a price though. Not sure JB brings that in return.

Don't agree with that. Brown is proven and in his Prime. Number 2 while talented is far from a lock to be good and certainly not anytime soon. That and they already have D Fox in same position. With Castle in the backcourt as well. Brown Castle and Fox would be a nice 3 perimeter trio.