"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

Curmudgeon · Post #1801 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun May 29, 2016 11:46 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
I caution you to not heavily overweight 1 tourny game. See Jabari Parker vs Mercer. Sometimes bad games just happen at inopportune times.

It wasn't just one game. He shot 29% from 3 point range and 43% overall for the season. He was under 70% from the line. His PER was a very underwhelming 17.4.

Those numbers are for a guy playing major minutes for 34 games.

Post #1802 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon May 30, 2016 12:06 am

Curmudgeon wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
I caution you to not heavily overweight 1 tourny game. See Jabari Parker vs Mercer. Sometimes bad games just happen at inopportune times.

It wasn't just one game. He shot 29% from 3 point range and 43% overall for the season. He was under 70% from the line. His PER was a very underwhelming 17.4.

Those numbers are for a guy playing major minutes for 34 games.

This is a different argument though-- it's based on more than one inopportune game. For what it's worth, I agree with your overall assessment-- he didn't have a strong year. I just think it's foolish to blast any prospect for having one bad tournament game.

If he shot 10-10 with 30 points and they still lost, no one would judge him as a better prospect due to that game. The reverse should hold true as well.

Curmudgeon · Post #1803 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon May 30, 2016 12:12 am

You have to take everything into account. When a player has the opportunity to shine on a big stage against good competition and falls flat on his face, that's a significant data point, especially when the other numbers aren't so good.

Post #1804 » by **165bows** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:34 am

Posted about Onuaku the last couple drafts. I'm going to pat myself on the back and say my best useless skill is picking out guys the prospect stat models will love.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/deanondraft/status/737083477741424640[/tweet]

Post #1805 » by **165bows** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:43 am

Apparently he's already had his cardiac ablation procedure performed and it's only a very brief time out of activity.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/32000172/crawford-pitino-says-onuaku-has-successful-heart-procedure-predicts-first-round-selection

He says he's going to "take the Terry Rozier route" and work his way to a first round selection through the workout process.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/after-undergoing-heart-procedure-louisville-big-man-staying-in-nba-draft/

Bluewhale · Post #1806 » by **Bluewhale** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:19 am

Curmudgeon wrote:You have to take everything into account. When a player has the opportunity to shine on a big stage against good competition and falls flat on his face, that's a significant data point, especially when the other numbers aren't so good.

The red flag I couldn't overcome is his below average finishing ability around the rim in half court. And high turnover rate.
"Brown's fairly loose handle, lack of craftiness around the basket, and tendency to get tunnel vision and force shots into traffic led to his 45% shooting around the rim in the half court and top-100 leading per-40 minute pace adjusted turnover rate."

We know it's hard to put everything together even he has great tools.

I would rather roll the dice on Bender for his strength improvement.

Leprechaun18 · Post #1807 » by **Leprechaun18** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:56 am

I consider Bender and Brown projects. IMO Brown is the better project. Brown needs to improve his handle, shooting, and how to play with his teammates better. Brown has the tools and if he puts it all together, he has a chance to be special. If he is drafted I would stick him in the D league for half a season to develop.

ThePigeon · Post #1808 » by **ThePigeon** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:31 am

Brown reminds me of Kedrick Brown.
I want a player - not a project

lon3lytoaster · Post #1809 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:46 pm

Almost 100% certain the pick will be Bender or Brown. Ainge has long since coveted big guys that can shoot dating back to Raef LaFrentz. Add in some help defense potential and he's a certain candidate for 3.

Said before, but jaylen is a stereotypical Ainge guy. Long, athletic but has some holes. Stevens allegedly gushed about how he would like Boston's academic culture during their combine interview. If he impresses with his shooting, he could be the dark horse. Right now, I think bender is the pick.

Curmudgeon · Post #1810 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:49 pm

I love Isaiah Whitehead. Watch him almost singlehandedly beating eventual national champion Villanova in the Big East title game:

https://youtu.be/isuF7yvyCko?t=8

And chewck out his 23 pt half (on 8 for 8 shooting) against Butler.

https://youtu.be/UZgq7lgP5E8

He's going to be as good as Murray or Hield and he will go somewhere in round 2.

Post #1811 » by **tlee324** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:43 pm

Think Whitehead could shoot over 40% from the field in the NBA? Maybe he can develop into a sparkplug off the bench, but I don't think he's a legit NBA starter on a winning team, unless his consistency makes drastic improvements.

Banks2Pierce · Post #1812 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:54 pm

Has the 3-7 group has truly separated itself from the 7-18 crew? Roster spots are tight, but taking 3 shots at that Luwawu, Chriss, Deyonta, Baldwin, Ellenson, Sabonis, Valentine group might be the best play. Go int'l and/or trade the rest.

Curmudgeon · Post #1813 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:56 pm

Whitehead's inconsistency has been due in part to injury. He has great range on his shot and could easily become a dangerous NBA 3 point shooter, plus he's got a killer crossover and a midrange game. He's got a little Marcus Smart in him: he comes up with big plays at the end of close games. You might also want to check out the video of Whitehead outplaying Mudiay in an all-star game when they were both HS seniors.

Whitehead falls in the draft rankings because he's neither fish nor fowl: not a true point and a little undersized for a 2-guard. But he can really play.

Homerclease · Post #1814 » by **Homerclease** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:59 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:Has the 3-7 group has truly separated itself from the 7-18 crew? Roster spots are tight, but taking 3 shots at that Luwawu, Chriss, Deyonta, Baldwin, Ellenson, Sabonis, Valentine group might be the best play. Go int'l and/or trade the rest.

If they went Bender/Sabonis/Jones at 3/16/23 respectively then IMO they could draft 3 immediate contributers in the front court

No-Man · Post #1815 » by **No-Man** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:14 pm

Grahf wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
Grahf wrote:The simple fact that Jaylen Brown is so similar to Justise Winslow makes me think that he is the dark horse to watch.

Similar size and athleticism, but pretty much ends there. Winslow's statistical profile was strong and Brown's is not.

They definitely have some differences, but their profile is pretty similar: NBA ready defense, very raw offense, awesome on the break, etc. I think Brown is slightly more likely to bust but also slightly more likely to become an all star. As for stats, Winslow's team was much better, which probably played a big role in his production.

Brown's defense is nowhere near NBA ready, let alone Winlow's who was a top NBA defender in a top8 team as a rookie
Justise offense was better too, much better passer.

gammajamma · Post #1816 » by **gammajamma** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:29 pm

Fischella wrote:
Grahf wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
Similar size and athleticism, but pretty much ends there. Winslow's statistical profile was strong and Brown's is not.

They definitely have some differences, but their profile is pretty similar: NBA ready defense, very raw offense, awesome on the break, etc. I think Brown is slightly more likely to bust but also slightly more likely to become an all star. As for stats, Winslow's team was much better, which probably played a big role in his production.

Brown's defense is nowhere near NBA ready, let alone Winlow's who was a top NBA defender in a top8 team as a rookie
Justise offense was better too, much better passer.

I saw that Bender was in your Tier 1, I am a fan of the idea of him but have not see much. How much exposure to his game do you have and what do you like about him as a prospect?

CharlesBradleyLikesToDunk · Post #1817 » by **CharlesBradleyLikesToDunk** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:37 pm

I like Whitehead too just not sure if he shoots it well enough...but he was great from deep once conference play started. Underrated passer too.

I'd be happy though if we got Bembry or Whitehead. I do like Bembry a bit more because of his size and defense although he's not the scorer Whitehead is. Beasley is the other wing I like.

KumaJG · Post #1818 » by **KumaJG** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:39 pm

I don't mind Brown...He shoot isn't broken like Smart. Very fixable imo. Plus it gives someone other than IT2 who can attack the rim. Only that scares with him is a rawness. He got a lot of bad habits that needs to be clean up.

threrf23 · Post #1819 » by **threrf23** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:50 pm

Whitehead withdrew, last I saw.

To me, the most underrated guard in the draft might be Demetrius Jackson, who nbadraft.net is still projecting as a 2nd round pick. Take away a few inches, put him in the PAC 12, I think he is fairly similar as a prospect to IT out of Washington. IT slipped all the way to 60. If Jackson slips to 30, we need to take him IMO.

Grahf · Post #1820 » by **Grahf** » Mon May 30, 2016 4:04 pm

Fischella wrote:
Grahf wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
Similar size and athleticism, but pretty much ends there. Winslow's statistical profile was strong and Brown's is not.

They definitely have some differences, but their profile is pretty similar: NBA ready defense, very raw offense, awesome on the break, etc. I think Brown is slightly more likely to bust but also slightly more likely to become an all star. As for stats, Winslow's team was much better, which probably played a big role in his production.

Brown's defense is nowhere near NBA ready, let alone Winlow's who was a top NBA defender in a top8 team as a rookie
Justise offense was better too, much better passer.

In the Cal games I watched, he could shut down anyone when he wanted to, although I grant he didn't give full effort all the time. Winslow's offense was better, but he had a better team around him, and Brown's slashing game is already quite good. I don't think the gap is huge. I think he will step in right away as an above-average NBA defender. If I'm wrong IOU a Coke.