The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

radcot · Post #1801 » by **radcot** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:02 pm

To make a trade for Cousins even close to an acceptable risk, the price would need to be WAY lower than what I've seen kicked around on this forum. Brown (top 3 pick), Brooklyn 2017 (likely top 3 pick in a strong draft), Brooklyn 2018 (likely still a lotto pick), plus MORE????? That would be insane.

AgentGreen · Post #1802 » by **AgentGreen** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:47 pm

Cousins and Horford frontcourt wont work imo. Both players demand the ball. It will kill Brad's tactics, no fast-paced attacks anymore.

Horford + WCS will work tho. WCS can switch easily from 4 to 5 and vice verse when its needed, he can even defend small forwards. Dude would compliment Horford's game so good..

reload141 · Post #1803 » by **reload141** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:51 pm

Call Denver and ask about Jokic. That's all I want this Christmas.

Writebloc · Post #1804 » by **Writebloc** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:00 am

So anyone looking for the craziest trade rumor yet?

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Ed Pinkney · Post #1805 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:03 am

Writebloc wrote:So anyone looking for the craziest trade rumor yet?

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If I was the Wolves I would see if I could get John Wall for package based around Dunn and some first round picks then trade Rubio for some shooting. Might not be enough to get Wall though without including Lavine.

Ed Pinkney · Post #1806 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:04 am

reload141 wrote:Call Denver and ask about Jokic. That's all I want this Christmas.

Be interesting to see what Denver does with all their duplication. They might need to pick between Nurkic/Jokic and Chandler/Gallinari sooner rather than later.

Gomes3PC · Post #1807 » by **Gomes3PC** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:00 am

AgentGreen wrote:Cousins and Horford frontcourt wont work imo. Both players demand the ball. It will kill Brad's tactics, no fast-paced attacks anymore.

Horford + WCS will work tho. WCS can switch easily from 4 to 5 and vice verse when its needed, he can even defend small forwards. Dude would compliment Horford's game so good..

Al Horford demands the ball? On what planet? His entire career, he has been the 3rd or 4th scorer for his teams. Even this year he's our 3rd scorer, 3rd in FG attempts/game and 3rd in usage.

My bigger concern is defensively, where I am not sure Horford will hold up long-term defending small-ball PFs against elite teams like CLE / GSW.

Disinformation · Post #1808 » by **Disinformation** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:09 am

Gomes3PC wrote:
AgentGreen wrote:Cousins and Horford frontcourt wont work imo. Both players demand the ball. It will kill Brad's tactics, no fast-paced attacks anymore.

Horford + WCS will work tho. WCS can switch easily from 4 to 5 and vice verse when its needed, he can even defend small forwards. Dude would compliment Horford's game so good..

Al Horford demands the ball? On what planet? His entire career, he has been the 3rd or 4th scorer for his teams. Even this year he's our 3rd scorer, 3rd in FG attempts/game and 3rd in usage.

My bigger concern is defensively, where I am not sure Horford will hold up long-term defending small-ball PFs against elite teams like CLE / GSW.

Thank you. I felt like I was eating crazy pills reading that.

Also, what's the statue of limitations on a players draft description? Because while the take on WCS when he was drafted was that he'd be able to defend a bunch of different positions, I haven't seen him defend any position in the NBA very well so far.

AgentGreen · Post #1809 » by **AgentGreen** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:29 am

Gomes3PC wrote:
AgentGreen wrote:Cousins and Horford frontcourt wont work imo. Both players demand the ball. It will kill Brad's tactics, no fast-paced attacks anymore.

Horford + WCS will work tho. WCS can switch easily from 4 to 5 and vice verse when its needed, he can even defend small forwards. Dude would compliment Horford's game so good..

Al Horford demands the ball? On what planet? His entire career, he has been the 3rd or 4th scorer for his teams. Even this year he's our 3rd scorer, 3rd in FG attempts/game and 3rd in usage.

My bigger concern is defensively, where I am not sure Horford will hold up long-term defending small-ball PFs against elite teams like CLE / GSW.

He does, Horford is a big who can also pass the ball. Every time Horford holds the ball something good happens, i'm not saying that he is a pg, lol god no. But he is a big who can hold the ball up and go for the open teammate. Thats one of his qualities. if you add Cousins to this team, you will get also somebody who does the same stuff. He will also go for a lot iso plays under the basket and kill the pace.

But that isn't even the biggest problem with havind Boogie on your team. His mental instability makes him already a big no for me.

We need a big next to Horford who has quick feet.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1810 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:54 am

Writebloc wrote:So anyone looking for the craziest trade rumor yet?

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Bye, Avery.

31to6 · Post #1811 » by **31to6** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:05 am

dei1c3 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
AgentGreen wrote:Cousins and Horford frontcourt wont work imo. Both players demand the ball. It will kill Brad's tactics, no fast-paced attacks anymore.

Horford + WCS will work tho. WCS can switch easily from 4 to 5 and vice verse when its needed, he can even defend small forwards. Dude would compliment Horford's game so good..

Al Horford demands the ball? On what planet? His entire career, he has been the 3rd or 4th scorer for his teams. Even this year he's our 3rd scorer, 3rd in FG attempts/game and 3rd in usage.

My bigger concern is defensively, where I am not sure Horford will hold up long-term defending small-ball PFs against elite teams like CLE / GSW.

Thank you. I felt like I was eating crazy pills reading that.

Also, what's the statue of limitations on a players draft description? Because while the take on WCS when he was drafted was that he'd be able to defend a bunch of different positions, I haven't seen him defend any position in the NBA very well so far.

I think he meant "Horford demands the ball be respected" (or similar).

What's up with that Bleacher Report thing -- 21st century trade rumor format?

I could certainly see Thibs trading one of his guards (any of them), but not his frontcourt. Huge fan of Dieng though, the exact sort of guy DA should've spent the last 9 years trying to draft.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1812 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:23 am

31to6 wrote:
dei1c3 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Al Horford demands the ball? On what planet? His entire career, he has been the 3rd or 4th scorer for his teams. Even this year he's our 3rd scorer, 3rd in FG attempts/game and 3rd in usage.

My bigger concern is defensively, where I am not sure Horford will hold up long-term defending small-ball PFs against elite teams like CLE / GSW.

Thank you. I felt like I was eating crazy pills reading that.

Also, what's the statue of limitations on a players draft description? Because while the take on WCS when he was drafted was that he'd be able to defend a bunch of different positions, I haven't seen him defend any position in the NBA very well so far.

I think he meant "Horford demands the ball be respected" (or similar).

What's up with that Bleacher Report thing -- 21st century trade rumor format?

I could certainly see Thibs trading one of his guards (any of them), but not his frontcourt. Huge fan of Dieng though, the exact sort of guy DA should've spent the last 9 years trying to draft.

His name was Fabricio Paulino de Melo.

London2Boston · Post #1813 » by **London2Boston** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:44 am

Zeller for Towns confirmed. Wolves may need to throw in a pick maybe.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1814 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:54 am

London2Boston wrote:Zeller for Towns confirmed. Wolves may need to throw in a pick maybe.

The exact rumored* trade is Zeller, Jerebko, Green for Wiggins, Towns, 2017 unprotected 1st round pick. They've got the young guys, we got the vets. Let's make a deal! We have to wait until mid-January though.

*just in my mind

EDIT: Seriously, if Thibs wants vets, he should ask about Wes Matthews from Dallas (if they're gonna tank), Wilson Chandler from Nuggets, and Dudley/Tucker/Tyson Chandler from Suns.

Writebloc · Post #1815 » by **Writebloc** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:02 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Writebloc wrote:So anyone looking for the craziest trade rumor yet?

Read on Twitter

Bye, Avery.

For whom? I would do it for Towns, obviously, Wiggins, definitely... Lavine, probably, but that one is a bit tougher?

Homerclease · Post #1816 » by **Homerclease** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:12 am

Writebloc wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Writebloc wrote:So anyone looking for the craziest trade rumor yet?

Read on Twitter

Bye, Avery.

For whom? I would do it for Towns, obviously, Wiggins, definitely... Lavine, probably, but that one is a bit tougher?

Just say no to LaVine. Wiggins and Towns are all I'd want from Minnesota for Bradley and they aren't dealing those two. No deal to be made here

Writebloc · Post #1817 » by **Writebloc** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:20 am

Homerclease wrote:
Writebloc wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Bye, Avery.

For whom? I would do it for Towns, obviously, Wiggins, definitely... Lavine, probably, but that one is a bit tougher?

Just say no to LaVine. Wiggins and Towns are all I'd want from Minnesota for Bradley and they aren't dealing those two. No deal to be made here

Well there you have it, Homerclease said no...no more speculation allowed. Sorry Danny, even though you and Thibs have a long standing relationship there's no way Thibs is trading Wiggins and there's no way Lavine can develop into a star so put down the phones. This one poster on the RealGM site is sticking to his guns, we can't make it happen.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1818 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:00 am

Writebloc wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Bye, Avery.

For whom? I would do it for Towns, obviously, Wiggins, definitely... Lavine, probably, but that one is a bit tougher?

No doubt, just being funny.

I like Dunn and Wiggins, but I don't think there is a trade there. Maybe a 3-way.

Homerclease · Post #1819 » by **Homerclease** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:25 am

Writebloc wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Writebloc wrote:
For whom? I would do it for Towns, obviously, Wiggins, definitely... Lavine, probably, but that one is a bit tougher?

Just say no to LaVine. Wiggins and Towns are all I'd want from Minnesota for Bradley and they aren't dealing those two. No deal to be made here

Well there you have it, Homerclease said no...no more speculation allowed. Sorry Danny, even though you and Thibs have a long standing relationship there's no way Thibs is trading Wiggins and there's no way Lavine can develop into a star so put down the phones. This one poster on the RealGM site is sticking to his guns, we can't make it happen.

Tis the season of miracles. You can speculate all you want, not sure what the rest of your tongue in cheek post is all about. If you think they are desperate enough to trade Wiggins straight up for Bradley then we can agree to disagree on that one. Marcus Smart has a better chance of developing into a star than LaVine. Guy is a effing scrub

Kolkmania · Post #1820 » by **Kolkmania** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:47 am

Hot take: I'm not even sure if I would do Bradley for Wiggins.

This Wiggins hype is based on an incredible hot streak shooting 50+% from behind the arch and long midrange shots. Wiggins has the about the same contract length and salary as Bradley, so it would be a straight up trade. What are the Celtics missing this season and probably next season? Certainly not offense, it's rebounding and a playmaker when Isaiah is not on the court.

Now let's look objectively at Andrew Wiggins. Is he an exciting prospect? Yes he is, mainly due to his physical attributes and athleticism. What has he shown is his first two seasons in the NBA? He's a volume scorer, without a reliable outside jumper.

TRB% of around 6.5 for his career, 10% AST percentage, more turnovers than assists in all his years, 1.3 STL% and 1.4 BLK% (incredible for his athleticism). I like his FTr, but that's about it.

Could he become a better player than Avery Bradley? Yes he could. Would he be contributing more to this team than Bradley during his current contract years? No I don't think he would. Am I willing to give up long-term flexibility by paying Wiggins a max contract? No I'm not, not unless he shows huge improvements in defense and playmaking or shooting percentages.