Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt. 10: Free Agency is in Free Flow

[BigTrade92]

With the little cap space left, it seems increasingly likely that Tacko is getting the final roster spot and Danny will keep his promise to Strus and keep him on a Two Way with Waters.

Not loving keeping Strus over Onuaku or Green, but it's a shooter's league, so maybe he'll blossom. I guess that's the point of the Two Way anyway...

[zoyathedestroya]

Further confirmation that if we are signing someone before Theis, Kanter, Wanamaker, it would be for a rookie on a deal for more than 2 yrs.

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[BigTrade92]

Further confirmation that if we are signing someone before Theis, Kanter, Wanamaker, it would be for a rookie.

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TACKO TIME

[Edug27]

People are very optimistic thinking Jaylen could put up 25/5/5 on 47% shooting like Beal just did in a few years.

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

[zoyathedestroya]

All I care about is Theis signing to a 1+1 ($9M+ 1st yr), essentially expiring contract and agreeing to be traded if the opportunity arises lol.

[MagicBagley18]

People are very optimistic thinking Jaylen could put up 25/5/5 on 47% shooting like Beal just did in a few years.

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Hahah

[zoyathedestroya]

People are very optimistic thinking Jaylen could put up 25/5/5 on 47% shooting like Beal just did in a few years.

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

[MagicBagley18]

All I care about is Theis signing to a 1+1 ($9M+ 1st yr), essentially expiring contract and agreeing to be traded if the opportunity arises lol.

What’s the stipulation that he has to agree to a trade? Because he’s been on 1 year deals?

[zoyathedestroya]

All I care about is Theis signing to a 1+1 ($9M+ 1st yr), essentially expiring contract and agreeing to be traded if the opportunity arises lol.

What’s the stipulation that he has to agree to a trade? Because he’s been on 1 year deals?

I think he's giving up his soon-to-have Bird Rights if traded, being on a 1+1. He'd be a non-Bird on his new team. But since he's already assured of the $9M+ or more, if 2nd yr is partially guaranteed, he might just agree. Uprooting your family and moving to a new place is a bitch though.

[djFan71]

People are very optimistic thinking Jaylen could put up 25/5/5 on 47% shooting like Beal just did in a few years.

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Plus there's the other end of the court.

[Edug27]

Like I’ve always said, Tatum is the next Paul George. I think next year is going to be his 20 and 7 breakout type season.

I like Jaylen. Always have. Think he’s going to be good.. not great, but good. I like him on the roster. But if you have the chance to move him for Bradley Beal (not sure who else would have to be included to make the money work) then you do it. Without question.

Kemba / Beal / Tatum

That’s a scary 1-3. All 3 can catch and shoot, as well as create their own shot.

[MagicBagley18]

People are very optimistic thinking Jaylen could put up 25/5/5 on 47% shooting like Beal just did in a few years.

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Def agree he won’t put up those numbers here if he was traded here (he won’t be) but he wouldn’t need to. he would fit in pretty damn well next to those guys IMO. he can can come off screens and catch and shoot from kemba or Hayward. He can also play as a ball handler like Hayward and kemba can so you could stagger him or kemba or Hayward and always have an elite scorer on the court in a playmaking role.

I guess what it is for me I’d rather pay Beal that money or someone established than gamble on brown and hoping he becomes deserving of the money. I’m not comfortable paying brown 29 million and hoping and again I have to see him this year and maybe I’ll be the **** we can all laugh at and he plays great- my guess is he plays well but still not enough to be convinced he’s worth 30 million

[MagicBagley18]

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Plus there's the other end of the court.

He’s not smart that’s for sure but I don’t think he’s as bad on defense as many here think and I also think he has the mindset to be engaged on that side of the ball on a winning environment.

[MagicBagley18]

Like I’ve always said, Tatum is the next Paul George. I think next year is going to be his 20 and 7 breakout type season.

I like Jaylen. Always have. Think he’s going to be good.. not great, but good. I like him on the roster. But if you have the chance to move him for Bradley Beal (not sure who else would have to be included to make the money work) then you do it. Without question.

Kemba / Beal / Tatum

That’s a scary 1-3. All 3 can catch and shoot, as well as create their own shot.

Amazingly I agree with all of this, Tatum is untouchable but Beal for brown? yes. It hurts losing smart-guys a warrior and really can change a game without much offense but you are going to need his salary in any big trade for a star most likely, not to mention his value.

You didn’t even mention a healthy Hayward in your scenario...but add him to that and that’s easily the best team in the east. Normally I am under the impression you need a top 5 guy or a top 10 guy and at least one other top 20 player to win it all but I think Stevens with those guys and his coaching collectively would be great.

[Edug27]

People are very optimistic thinking Jaylen could put up 25/5/5 on 47% shooting like Beal just did in a few years.

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

A couple things...

1. Beal averaged 23 points on a team with a healthy John Wall that was a game away from the ECF. (Thank you IT).

2. Beal doesn’t need to average that here. But at the end of the day, we all know Beal is capable of giving you 25, 5 and 5 on any given night. He is a player who can shoulder the load when needed. On any given night.... not just playoff games.. or national TV games.. or games against other good young players... ANY. GIVEN. NIGHT.

[Edug27]

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Plus there's the other end of the court.

Must of missed when Jaylen developed into a great defender.

[djFan71]

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Plus there's the other end of the court.

He’s not smart that’s for sure but I don’t think he’s as bad on defense as many here think and I also think he has the mindset to be engaged on that side of the ball on a winning environment.

I'm not wholly against the idea. But, I think with Kemba, there's too much overlap - offensively and lack of defensively. With those 2 and Kanter on the court, we'd be building Blazers East. Granted, with Tatum and Hayward. If we hadn't maxed Kemba, I would have been more interested. Grab NAW in the draft, take on salary ballast for cap space via trade. Then trade Jaylen/ballast/picks at the deadline. Keep Smart, get Beal, have NAW. That would be great.

[zoyathedestroya]

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Def agree he won’t put up those numbers here if he was traded here (he won’t be) but he wouldn’t need to. he would fit in pretty damn well next to those guys IMO. he can can come off screens and catch and shoot from kemba or Hayward. He can also play as a ball handler like Hayward and kemba can so you could stagger him or kemba or Hayward and always have an elite scorer on the court in a playmaking role.

I guess what it is for me I’d rather pay Beal that money or someone established than gamble on brown and hoping he becomes deserving of the money. I’m not comfortable paying brown 29 million and hoping and again I have to see him this year and maybe I’ll be the **** we can all laugh at and he plays great- my guess is he plays well but still not enough to be convinced he’s worth 30 million

But it's not Brown-for-Beal straight up. If Brown was already on his next contract and you don't have to trade much else to get Beal, then sure. But you likely lose a 1st-team all defender and a prime pick plus more in the deal on top of Brown. Jaylen projects to be a better two-way player (worse on offense but more complete overall) than Beal too, who has been mediocre at best on the defensive end while being under defensive-minded coaches. Brown on low usage can approximate what Beal can bring on similar usage.

One PRO for Beal is if you love the idea of pairing Beal + Tatum long-term as your 2/3. Tatum is RFA in 2021 so it might be easier to re-sign Beal with his little brother in place until 2024/25. I'm not sure about our cap situation by 2021, so if you can trade for Beal now without giving up much, maybe you do that.

[MagicBagley18]

What you call optimistic, I call crazy.

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

A couple things...

1. Beal averaged 23 points on a team with a healthy John Wall that was a game away from the ECF. (Thank you IT).

2. Beal doesn’t need to average that here. But at the end of the day, we all know Beal is capable of giving you 25, 5 and 5 on any given night. He is a player who can shoulder the load when needed. On any given night.... not just playoff games.. or national TV games.. or games against other good young players... ANY. GIVEN. NIGHT.

It’s a moot point bc I don’t think we can beat other teams deals with brown as the centerpiece anyways and I doubt the wizards are going to want to extend him.

[djFan71]

Beal won't be able to put up those numbers while playing alongside Kemba, Tatum, Hayward (assuming deal is Smart/Brown/fillers/picks). Diminishing returns on a team w/ more offensive weapons vs. on a bottom-feeding team like the Weezards.

Plus there's the other end of the court.

Must of missed when Jaylen developed into a great defender.

Doesn't need to be great to be better than Beal.