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Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1801 » by Disinformation » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:25 am

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GrandTheftRondo wrote:I agree.

Being down about what has happened and the moves or lack of moves Danny has made seems to be frowned upon around here though.


Lonzo more talented and dominant than Tatum? Really??

Didn’t see Lonzo’s name thrown in there. Don’t agree with that one.

But Tatum’s inability to do anything other than create his own shot (and he struggled at that last season) is concerning.


It's funny because almost everyone who has responded to that post has focused on Lonzo's inclusion in his list and ignored his point which is that we don't have anyone on the team who projects to a truly special player. Tatum is the only guy who might be it, but it's a huge question mark (IMO) right now. This team just doesn't have a ton of upside.
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Post#1802 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:24 am

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Lonzo more talented and dominant than Tatum? Really??

Didn’t see Lonzo’s name thrown in there. Don’t agree with that one.

But Tatum’s inability to do anything other than create his own shot (and he struggled at that last season) is concerning.


It's funny because almost everyone who has responded to that post has focused on Lonzo's inclusion in his list and ignored his point which is that we don't have anyone on the team who projects to a truly special player. Tatum is the only guy who might be it, but it's a huge question mark (IMO) right now. This team just doesn't have a ton of upside.


I don’t think Tatum is a question mark, I just think he’s a particular kind of player - it’s going to take him another couple of years to have an NBA body, and his scoring and shooting are going to be what he leads with. Defense next. His rebounding, playmaking and passing are going to be what comes last.

Jaylen could be special, I don’t know. Supposedly our FO thinks the two of them are going to be Kawhi/George level. Players all develop differently. Maybe Langford is the steal of the draft..

But imo, yeah, a lot hangs on the MEM pick, what we do with Jaylen, and whether the market aligns for a great Hayward trade. Otherwise we’re in good but not great shape. We’ll be a holding pattern team - like OKC after they traded Ibaka, like San Antonio, like Dallas, like Miami, like Portland, Toronto before Kawhi, Utah.. No clear path up or down, and waiting for opportunities to come along. For OKC, that was spinning Oladipo/Sabonis into Paul George. For San Antonio, it was Aldridge, then getting Derozan to replace Kawhi, adding Murray and White.. Dallas got Doncic and Porzingis, Miami pulled Jimmy Butler out of a hat. Portland lucked into Nurkic, Collins and Simons.. and Utah turned a bad hand into Mitchell, Conley, and borderline title contention.

But we’re waiting on lucky breaks, developing the guys we have. And the wrong deals could make things worse.
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Post#1803 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:36 am

There are reasons it was so cheap to acquire them this offseason, but I think Edwards and Fall each have very high ceilings. Edwards could be a really great scorer who is NOT a sieve on defense. And Fall could be a modern Mark Eaton.
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Post#1804 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:49 am

Rob Williams is going to be really good within a couple of years, Grant Williams, too. Tatum, Edwards, Brown, hopefully Langford. Smart has been a great pick. We have probably the best collection of young talent of the Ainge era - I like this crew five times more than the Rondo, Telfair, Gerald Green, TA, Delonte, Perkins, Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes group that won 24 games with Paul Pierce in 06-07.
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Post#1805 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:52 am

Like, the AD plan failed. Take Kemba and Hayward off this team, how is our rebuild looking? Trade young talent for stars to play with Kemba and Hayward, how close are we to contending?
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Post#1806 » by Ernest » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:01 pm

Hypothetical for everyone: We can't win a championship this year. We have the tallest player ever. What if a goal was to push Tacko into stardom? Low chance, but thats the hypothetical- what does that look like?

(I'm not trying to argue anything here. Just thinking out loud. He is so tall and we probably don't have the assets to win right now, so what if Danny and Co. think that there is a 5% chance he could be a str and decide to really try to make that happen. How?)
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Post#1807 » by Edug27 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:35 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Like, the AD plan failed. Take Kemba and Hayward off this team, how is our rebuild looking? Trade young talent for stars to play with Kemba and Hayward, how close are we to contending?


It’s looking meh.

Not close at all.
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Post#1808 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:04 am

I'll say it again: things are never as bad as they seem or as good as they seem. Too early for predictions.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1809 » by batabatuta » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:14 am

@Curmudgeon. Agree.

Like how many years have we been doing the same pattern post Big 3 era? The real 2019-2020 Boston Celtics will manifest itself after 10-15 regular games. After that, they've been pretty much consistent. No All-Star game or Holiday break is going to change that.

As for me, i will just enjoy the team for what it is. The same way i enjoyed Isaiah Thomeas KO, Avery and the rest of the bunch went to the ECF years ago with not much talent but with fire and grit.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1810 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:09 am

Curmudgeon wrote:I'll say it again: things are never as bad as they seem or as good as they seem. Too early for predictions.


I’m not really down on the team, or the state of the franchise - a lot of it is just luck. But for this season, the part of me that goes “Kyrie for Kemba fixes our chemistry, Hayward is healthy - better than last year!” is tempered by the age of the roster, the uncertainty of the frontcourt, and the way Brown and Tatum have been ascending their learning curves..
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Post#1811 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:32 am

Edug27 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Like, the AD plan failed. Take Kemba and Hayward off this team, how is our rebuild looking? Trade young talent for stars to play with Kemba and Hayward, how close are we to contending?


It’s looking meh.

Not close at all.


A couple of seasons away, at least.. but Utah is a great example of what patience and a little luck can do for a team that looks suddenly stuck in the mud.

We don’t have any really “bad” contracts, and we have a lot of good young prospects. I’d take our group over Cleveland, New York, Charlotte, Washington, probably Memphis, probably Orlando (I overreacted to what Fultz could do for the Magic longterm, but he’s still a ways away), maybe even Sacramento (depending on what Bagley turns out to be), San Antonio, Detroit, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Houston (short window, no future), OKC, Toronto, Miami...

New Orleans is in better shape, maybe Atlanta, depending on how good Young and Reddish are, probably Chicago, obviously Dallas (who lucked into Porzingis), of all the “rebuilding” teams. That’s it.
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Post#1812 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:09 am

Ernest wrote:Hypothetical for everyone: We can't win a championship this year. We have the tallest player ever. What if a goal was to push Tacko into stardom? Low chance, but thats the hypothetical- what does that look like?

(I'm not trying to argue anything here. Just thinking out loud. He is so tall and we probably don't have the assets to win right now, so what if Danny and Co. think that there is a 5% chance he could be a str and decide to really try to make that happen. How?)


Give him lots of developmental league minutes. Then, when he's ready for the varsity, always play him with a lineup that's favorable to him (e.g., with a couple of guys who are good at entry passes).
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1813 » by Edug27 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:35 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
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Andrew McCeltic wrote:Like, the AD plan failed. Take Kemba and Hayward off this team, how is our rebuild looking? Trade young talent for stars to play with Kemba and Hayward, how close are we to contending?


It’s looking meh.

Not close at all.


A couple of seasons away, at least.. but Utah is a great example of what patience and a little luck can do for a team that looks suddenly stuck in the mud.

We don’t have any really “bad” contracts, and we have a lot of good young prospects. I’d take our group over Cleveland, New York, Charlotte, Washington, probably Memphis, probably Orlando (I overreacted to what Fultz could do for the Magic longterm, but he’s still a ways away), maybe even Sacramento (depending on what Bagley turns out to be), San Antonio, Detroit, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Houston (short window, no future), OKC, Toronto, Miami...

New Orleans is in better shape, maybe Atlanta, depending on how good Young and Reddish are, probably Chicago, obviously Dallas (who lucked into Porzingis), of all the “rebuilding” teams. That’s it.


Right. We aren't one of the bottom feeders in the league. But we also aren't one of then elite either.

And idk about putting our future above BK's. KD is still KD until proven otherwise.

Yea - Utah is a similar team to Boston.. except they have a legit Center. Otherwise, pretty much the same.
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Post#1814 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:57 pm

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Post#1815 » by itrsteve » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:05 pm

Dammit
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1816 » by Darth Celtic » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:26 pm

sometimes reading articles I see on Bleacher report feeds make me lose all faith in humanity as a whole. Article says star trades for 2019/20 season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2857168-demar-derozan-for-chris-paul-other-star-trade-ideas-as-2019-20-nba-season-nears#slide1
First trade is Steven Adams and Dennis Scrotum for Hayward/Lanford, and lotto protected 2020 first.

Then the Hawks get Beal for SF Cam Reddish, SG Kevin Huerter, 2020 1st-round pick (lottery-protected, via Brooklyn Nets

am I missing something here or wouldn't we just trade with the wiz instead for Beal?
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Post#1817 » by yeahM8 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:32 pm

Pretty keen for the season to start now. Bit over the average takes here.
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Post#1818 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am

Darth Celtic wrote:sometimes reading articles I see on Bleacher report feeds make me lose all faith in humanity as a whole. Article says star trades for 2019/20 season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2857168-demar-derozan-for-chris-paul-other-star-trade-ideas-as-2019-20-nba-season-nears#slide1
First trade is Steven Adams and Dennis Scrotum for Hayward/Lanford, and lotto protected 2020 first.

Then the Hawks get Beal for SF Cam Reddish, SG Kevin Huerter, 2020 1st-round pick (lottery-protected, via Brooklyn Nets

am I missing something here or wouldn't we just trade with the wiz instead for Beal?


A lot of people are still assuming that Hayward's contract has negative value.
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Post#1819 » by RB34 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:11 am

Any chance of getting a defensive big mid season? aka Baynes.
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Post#1820 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:37 am

If Baynes were to get traded to a team that bought him out, we could bring him back. There's Myles Turner, but I don't think they trade him - Sabonis is looking early like the odd man out. And I don't want to trade Gordon Hayward now for anyone - unless it's a Godfather baptism masterstroke - like Hayward to Orlando, Aaron Gordon to Indiana, Fournier, the MEM pick, MIL pick and Langford to WAS, and Turner and Beal to BOS..

Kemba/Smart/Wanamaker/(Waters)
Beal/Edwards
Jaylen/Ojeleye/(Green)
Tatum/Grant/Theis
Turner/Kanter/Wiilliams/Poirier/Fall

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