Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[SmartWentCrazy]

Given how under developed he is physically, Ingram will need to start out as a SG to limit his exposure defensively. Long term though, he is an ideal 3.

That's the exact same thing PJ Carlisimo said about Durant his rookie year in Seattle. It was a mistake playing him there and if I recall correctly Durant struggled quite a bit playing the 2. Don't see the fit and I could see it slightly hindering development.

Durant put up 20 points a game as a 19 year old rookie SG. He hit a rookie wall in early February because his body was overworked, but he was electric at the two after the all-star break. His three point shot wasn't there, but it was more of a product of his lack of strength/leg strength than him struggling to be a two. And given that he turned into a top 3-5 player by the time he turned 21, I don't really think it did much (if anything) to hinder his development.

[BfB]

Given how under developed he is physically, Ingram will need to start out as a SG to limit his exposure defensively. Long term though, he is an ideal 3.

That's the exact same thing PJ Carlisimo said about Durant his rookie year in Seattle. It was a mistake playing him there and if I recall correctly Durant struggled quite a bit playing the 2. Don't see the fit and I could see it slightly hindering development.

Durant put up 20 points a game as a 19 year old rookie SG. He hit a rookie wall in early February because his body was overworked, but he was electric at the two after the all-star break. His three point shot wasn't there, but it was more of a product of his lack of strength/leg strength than him struggling to be a two. And given that he turned into a top 3-5 player by the time he turned 21, I don't really think it did much (if anything) to hinder his development.

Got to go with Toaster on this one. NBA is a size/speed ratio game. The rules favor it more towards length than weight. Ingrim will gain the lane more frequently as a 3/4, a place where his switch length and footspeed will be tested from 20-25 feet away far more frequently than on short drives. Strength has diminishing returns the farther out a swing attacks from. Shot ratios and efficiency skew and wingspan and instincts take over.

This will likely be somebody elses issue next year, but its fun to think about grooming him into a hybrid 4/3 along side Crowder and an Al Horford level upgrade to the 5.

[SmartWentCrazy]

That's the exact same thing PJ Carlisimo said about Durant his rookie year in Seattle. It was a mistake playing him there and if I recall correctly Durant struggled quite a bit playing the 2. Don't see the fit and I could see it slightly hindering development.

Durant put up 20 points a game as a 19 year old rookie SG. He hit a rookie wall in early February because his body was overworked, but he was electric at the two after the all-star break. His three point shot wasn't there, but it was more of a product of his lack of strength/leg strength than him struggling to be a two. And given that he turned into a top 3-5 player by the time he turned 21, I don't really think it did much (if anything) to hinder his development.

Got to go with Toaster on this one. NBA is a size/speed ratio game. The rules favor it more towards length than weight. Ingrim will gain the lane more frequently as a 3/4, a place where his switch length and footspeed will be tested from 20-25 feet away far more frequently than on short drives. Strength has diminishing returns the farther out a swing attacks from. Shot ratios and efficiency skew and wingspan and instincts take over.

This will likely be somebody elses issue next year, but its fun to think about grooming him into a hybrid 4/3 along side Crowder and an Al Horford level upgrade to the 5.

I guess my contention is just that there is just no way Ingram can defend the three for a team seriously competing for the playoffs next year. There's not a three in the league who couldn't back him down and teams would iso him relentlessly on the low block.

His length and height is a plus, but he would simply get man handled defensively at the 3, IMO.

[Cornbread]

Just wanted to note that Ingram, despite the physical similarities, is not Durant. Durant was a better rebounder at the same stage and was more creative getting shots off around the hoop. I think Ingram develops into a more perimeter oriented player than Durant.

[BfB]

Hield has taken his game to another level.
His main nba improvements are his handle and his creativity in the pick and roll, let alone his insane shooting balance.
The guy, like Lillard as a senior, has the potential to be the #3 pick.
He's awesome and is going to be a great nba scorer.
The question mark is going to be his D. He's smart and has great anticipation so this can hopefully be overcome.

I will not be surprised to see Hield go #3.

Hield has 0 shot at going in the top5 let alone top3.

His creativity is still low, same with his handle, Cousins is the guy that leads the way playmaking-wise for that team.

Hield is not going to be making plays with the ball at the next level, neither is he projected to be a great scorer, he is basically a straight line driver that is going to live off-the-ball and how good he gets to be defensively is what is going to mark his ceiling.

The spot to pick him is around 15-20 and because this class is weak, in a normal Draft he would 100% in the 20s.
If anybody reaches for him in the top10 they are going to get their Front Office fired in a couple years.

You are not giving enough credence to the type of season he's having as a scorer. His ability to establish that NBA level and build diversity off of it is a precious commodity in todays league. He's a high risk stock in terms of diversification, but he does have a potential blue chip skill.

In this draft he could most certainly be a value pick on the right team from 12-18 - you can't ignore total team construct. Some teams are 2-3 years into core rotations in that range.

This is a very heavy quality starter potential draft. Starters with skills that compliment existing cores with key skillsets with high end potential. Players like Jae Crowder exemplify what a few unique skills can do

[Homerclease]

If the Celtics hang onto their picks I have zero interest in Hield or Valentine or any wing for that matter. Celtics need to come out of this draft with at least 2 big men, maybe 3-4. Labissere, Davis, Zimmerman, Hammons, Stone and so on. There are plenty to choose from this year

[DK-All Day]

Taking Ingram #1 is getting tempting by the day..

[165bows]

I like Sabonis' kid. Could be a Sully replacement.

[165bows]

@deanondraft: Starting to wonder if I'm sleeping on Sabonis. Hes a funny mold but he can play

@nbadraftblog: Sabonis doesn’t care how many bodies you throw at him to keep him off the glass

ETA:

@Mike_Schmitz: Sabonis severely outplaying Jakob Poeltl. The 7-footer looked totally fatigued all game. Sabonis a different player with the J working.

[Gomes3PC]

Holy crap did Poeltl look soft as baby poop.

[Gomes3PC]

I like Sabonis' kid. Could be a Sully replacement.

Very different style and not the defender of Sully, but a more skilled post player and similarly strong rebounder. I feel more confident Sabonis will develop a 3 in the NBA with time as well. If he shot treys in college he'd be a top-7 pick in this draft.

[Wes-J]

Can't handle another soft finesse center. Poeltl is a good kid and works hard but I'm not seeing a guy who at minimum gives us a Bogut like impact.

Why exactly do you think he's soft? He doesn't look soft when I see him play

Yep. Pass!

[return2glory]

Holy crap did Poeltl look soft as baby poop.

That's what I've been saying about him. We don't need another KO or Zeller with Poeltl. Different skill sets but same softness.

[return2glory]

I like Sabonis' kid. Could be a Sully replacement.

I've had Sabonis in my top 10 players all season and he has been improving as the season is going.

He is exactly what this team needs. A big with energy, hussle, rebounding, and fight.

I don't know about a Sully replacement. But a Zeller and Amir replacement, yes.

I currently don't like any of our bigs too much. Sully got fatter on a contract year. KO and Zeller are still soft. Amir is a shell of himself.

I would love to add Horford, Sabonis, and either Bryce Johnson or Ben Bentle next season as bigs. Keep KO and Mickey.

Sully, Zeller and Amir can move on.

If we can get either Durant or Ingram on top of that, we will make a huge leap.

[Gomes3PC]

Fits the Zeller mold better than Amir. Mickey is Amir's heir apparent.

Separately, Dunn looked unbelievable tonight despite PC getting roughed up by UNC. 29 points on 10/16 shooting, made a long and athletic UNC squad look slow.

[redbeamer]

Had my eye on Sabonis following last year's tournament. Would love to see Danny grab him with the Dallas pick!

[Leprechaun18]

Well Poeltl kinda went missing for a while, and Sabonis looked good, but its only a single game. Utah has had problems with turnovers this season. It will be interesting to see how they measure at the combine. If Sabonis measures well his stock could leap.

[chakdaddy]

I think Dunn will be our guy
Frustrating if you look at him as another Ainge combo guard...but he might be a either where Smart is either, since he has the shot and playmaking that Marcus lacks.

Also, if anyone projects as a replacement for current players, and we aren't down to our own pick in the 20s....look elsewhere. We need the kind of guys we don't have on this roster, not more role players. It's time to roll the dice with extra picks, not play it safe.

[ddb]

BTW, Georges Niang can play. He'll be a late 2nd round pick and a pleasant surprise for the team that drafts him.

Most likely undrafted honestly

Spurs type

[Shamrock]

Fits the Zeller mold better than Amir. Mickey is Amir's heir apparent.

Separately, Dunn looked unbelievable tonight despite PC getting roughed up by UNC. 29 points on 10/16 shooting, made a long and athletic UNC squad look slow.

Dunn looked like a NBA player out there. Great athlete who has a way of getting into the lane. Shooting and decision making will either make or break him in the NBA