Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Dannyboy36]

If New Orleans offered Lonzo for Smart..

We have Kemba I know but I love Lonzo’s game. I know he’s looked much better lately. I’m baffled why he doesn’t attack guys in the half court more often. I’ve been getting trashed ever since I wished the Celts could have taken him. Love the guy. I underestimated the dad’s impact.

[K For Three]

Marcus Morris would be perfect for this team huh

I’m a little afraid Morris will kill ball movement a bit more. The whole link with last year brings me nightmares.

Mook isn't worth it anymore for the Celtics. Sure he can score at times and help in that regard, but it's at a cost. Also he's another guy like Kyrie who thinks he is a leader.

[ddb]

Marcus Morris would be perfect for this team huh

I’m a little afraid Morris will kill ball movement a bit more. The whole link with last year brings me nightmares.

no thanks. I don't want anyone that will take away from JT/JB/GH minutes or responsibilities. Absolutely not. Celts are ALL-SET on the wing.

If we are being honest with ourselves, the Celtics needs aren't even what the general public & media says their needs are...everyone is saying, "o, the Celtics need a big." etc etc. And as nice as it would be to upgrade Theis/Kanter/RWilliams/GWilliams, in order to do that Danny would have to move a key piece which in turn would be counter productive. So the ONLY way to upgrade the big man situation is if a good big like Tristian Thompson or whoever gets waived and then chooses Boston. It's going to be very difficult to make a trade that improves the big-man rotation. And honestly, that's fine. I feel like Theis/Kanter/GWilliams have been rock solid.

IMO, what needs to be done, is the Celtics need to find a guard that can provide what they were hoping Carsen Edwards would provide...scoring/shooting. Right now they have Kemba/Marcus/Wanamaker playing the guard minutes. (I consider Jaylen a wing). Wanamaker has done a solid job as the depth guard, but Boston needs either a clear upgrade over Wanamaker, or at the very least a scoring guard that can give Brad that option when the game calls for it. Wanamaker is solid, he's tough, but he isn't going to manufacture offense for you. he plays within the system and does a solid job. so Brad may call on Wanamaker 1 game, and then player X in another game depending on what the game calls for.
This is the Tony Allen VS Eddie House scenario. in 07-08 Doc had both. plus he had Sam Cassell. so behind Rondo/Ray Doc could turn to Eddie House for scoring/shooting. He could call on Tony Allen to defend. Or he could call on Sam Cassell to give him a savvy vet PG.

This current Celtics team needs an Eddie House. Carsen Edwards hasn't delivered. Maybe he will...but it sure doesn't seem like he's quite ready. So Danny needs to go out and get that guy.

[Dannyboy36]

I’d do Lonzo / smart swap in a heartbeat though.

[sam_I_am]

We need a PF stronger than Tatum and with more length than Grant but who is still versatile like a wing.

Jaylen?

He plays SG. And no, 6-7 isn’t length at PF position. I’d like somebody who is 6-9 or 6-10 who could hold his own against a low post bruiser for 3-4 sec. if he had to switch.

[djFan71]

Marcus Morris would be perfect for this team huh

I’m a little afraid Morris will kill ball movement a bit more. The whole link with last year brings me nightmares.

no thanks. I don't want anyone that will take away from JT/JB/GH minutes or responsibilities. Absolutely not. Celts are ALL-SET on the wing.

If we are being honest with ourselves, the Celtics needs aren't even what the general public & media says their needs are...everyone is saying, "o, the Celtics need a big." etc etc. And as nice as it would be to upgrade Theis/Kanter/RWilliams/GWilliams, in order to do that Danny would have to move a key piece which in turn would be counter productive. So the ONLY way to upgrade the big man situation is if a good big like Tristian Thompson or whoever gets waived and then chooses Boston. It's going to be very difficult to make a trade that improves the big-man rotation. And honestly, that's fine. I feel like Theis/Kanter/GWilliams have been rock solid.

IMO, what needs to be done, is the Celtics need to find a guard that can provide what they were hoping Carsen Edwards would provide...scoring/shooting. Right now they have Kemba/Marcus/Wanamaker playing the guard minutes. (I consider Jaylen a wing). Wanamaker has done a solid job as the depth guard, but Boston needs either a clear upgrade over Wanamaker, or at the very least a scoring guard that can give Brad that option when the game calls for it. Wanamaker is solid, he's tough, but he isn't going to manufacture offense for you. he plays within the system and does a solid job. so Brad may call on Wanamaker 1 game, and then player X in another game depending on what the game calls for.
This is the Tony Allen VS Eddie House scenario. in 07-08 Doc had both. plus he had Sam Cassell. so behind Rondo/Ray Doc could turn to Eddie House for scoring/shooting. He could call on Tony Allen to defend. Or he could call on Sam Cassell to give him a savvy vet PG.

This current Celtics team needs an Eddie House. Carsen Edwards hasn't delivered. Maybe he will...but it sure doesn't seem like he's quite ready. So Danny needs to go out and get that guy.

Not quite the same game as the guys you listed, but ideally Romeo provides that offense off the bench. To me, if Romeo/Timelord develop into consistent contributors (10-15 mpg) by the playoffs, we're in great shape. If they stay hurt/don't develop, then we have a much lower ceiling.

[Bleeding Green]

If New Orleans offered Lonzo for Smart..

We have Kemba I know but I love Lonzo’s game. I know he’s looked much better lately. I’m baffled why he doesn’t attack guys in the half court more often. I’ve been getting trashed ever since I wished the Celts could have taken him. Love the guy. I underestimated the dad’s impact.

I love his game too, but it's easy to see why he doesn't attack the basket when you see how godawful he is at both scoring around the basket and at the FT line. He's such a basketball savant, makes so many plays that literally no one else makes. THe shot is still ugly, but much improved, and it's still too low and slow to get off in traffic, but his stepback is looking nicer and nicer, should be a real weapon soon a la Harden or Doncic.

The constant ankle injuries and the ft shooting are what give me pause and I definitely wouldn't want to see him on the incarnation of the Celtics.

Pelicans have some expensive, risky contracts coming up. Ingram is an RFA this year and likely going to receive max offersheets from multiple teams, is it worth matching and going to 5/170 for him? Then Lonzo next year if he maintains his recent hot streak into a longterm trend, he's going to be really expensive and risky too.

Smart for Lonzo could be a great in-a-vacuum long-term trade, but given the direction of the Celtics, the length of Smart's deal, length of Lonzo's deal, I wouldn't make the deal. Even if Lonzo looks like he could be better than Smart by next year you'd only have him for a year potentially or you'd maybe have to match some max RFA offersheet.

[ddb]

I’d do Lonzo / smart swap in a heartbeat though.

that would be worse to the locker room then when Danny traded Perk for Jeff Green (yes I know Nate Robinson and Krstic were also in that deal). HELL NO. Yes, Lonzo is a talented young player....yes he's 6'6. But he couldn't even sniff Smarts jockstrap when it comes to intangibles. Smart is the guy you want in the foxhole with you. not Lonzo.
Smart is the Forrest Gump running back into the woods over and over to save his teammates.....Lonzo would probably just chill in safety and wait until the conflict passed.

[ddb]

I’m a little afraid Morris will kill ball movement a bit more. The whole link with last year brings me nightmares.

no thanks. I don't want anyone that will take away from JT/JB/GH minutes or responsibilities. Absolutely not. Celts are ALL-SET on the wing.

If we are being honest with ourselves, the Celtics needs aren't even what the general public & media says their needs are...everyone is saying, "o, the Celtics need a big." etc etc. And as nice as it would be to upgrade Theis/Kanter/RWilliams/GWilliams, in order to do that Danny would have to move a key piece which in turn would be counter productive. So the ONLY way to upgrade the big man situation is if a good big like Tristian Thompson or whoever gets waived and then chooses Boston. It's going to be very difficult to make a trade that improves the big-man rotation. And honestly, that's fine. I feel like Theis/Kanter/GWilliams have been rock solid.

IMO, what needs to be done, is the Celtics need to find a guard that can provide what they were hoping Carsen Edwards would provide...scoring/shooting. Right now they have Kemba/Marcus/Wanamaker playing the guard minutes. (I consider Jaylen a wing). Wanamaker has done a solid job as the depth guard, but Boston needs either a clear upgrade over Wanamaker, or at the very least a scoring guard that can give Brad that option when the game calls for it. Wanamaker is solid, he's tough, but he isn't going to manufacture offense for you. he plays within the system and does a solid job. so Brad may call on Wanamaker 1 game, and then player X in another game depending on what the game calls for.
This is the Tony Allen VS Eddie House scenario. in 07-08 Doc had both. plus he had Sam Cassell. so behind Rondo/Ray Doc could turn to Eddie House for scoring/shooting. He could call on Tony Allen to defend. Or he could call on Sam Cassell to give him a savvy vet PG.

This current Celtics team needs an Eddie House. Carsen Edwards hasn't delivered. Maybe he will...but it sure doesn't seem like he's quite ready. So Danny needs to go out and get that guy.

Not quite the same game as the guys you listed, but ideally Romeo provides that offense off the bench. To me, if Romeo/Timelord develop into consistent contributors (10-15 mpg) by the playoffs, we're in great shape. If they stay hurt/don't develop, then we have a much lower ceiling.

Romeo & Timelord are the answers for next year. They won't be much help in crunch time this year. They aren't ready. that's why I wouldn't trade either 1 of those guys because I feel like they are in the future plans. just not right now. Danny needs to find a way to bring in a scoring guard. Even Jamal Crawford could help at this rate.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If New Orleans offered Lonzo for Smart..

Even I never get this desperate Andrew.

I'm not proposing it, just wondering what people think.. I love Lonzo Ball but think the Perk/Jeff Green comparison is accurate.. you just couldn't do it. I think Lonzo will *probably* surpass Smart within the next 2-3 years - he's got great defensive upside, he's taller and longer, he's fixing his shot and developing his offense, and he has great court vision - in theory he could end up better than Jason Kidd. It's just an interesting thought experiment because he may *not* get that good, and you can't really afford to trade for him if you're already winning.. like, I don't think Milwaukee could or would trade Eric Bledsoe for Lonzo..

[Bleeding Green]

no thanks. I don't want anyone that will take away from JT/JB/GH minutes or responsibilities. Absolutely not. Celts are ALL-SET on the wing.

If we are being honest with ourselves, the Celtics needs aren't even what the general public & media says their needs are...everyone is saying, "o, the Celtics need a big." etc etc. And as nice as it would be to upgrade Theis/Kanter/RWilliams/GWilliams, in order to do that Danny would have to move a key piece which in turn would be counter productive. So the ONLY way to upgrade the big man situation is if a good big like Tristian Thompson or whoever gets waived and then chooses Boston. It's going to be very difficult to make a trade that improves the big-man rotation. And honestly, that's fine. I feel like Theis/Kanter/GWilliams have been rock solid.

IMO, what needs to be done, is the Celtics need to find a guard that can provide what they were hoping Carsen Edwards would provide...scoring/shooting. Right now they have Kemba/Marcus/Wanamaker playing the guard minutes. (I consider Jaylen a wing). Wanamaker has done a solid job as the depth guard, but Boston needs either a clear upgrade over Wanamaker, or at the very least a scoring guard that can give Brad that option when the game calls for it. Wanamaker is solid, he's tough, but he isn't going to manufacture offense for you. he plays within the system and does a solid job. so Brad may call on Wanamaker 1 game, and then player X in another game depending on what the game calls for.
This is the Tony Allen VS Eddie House scenario. in 07-08 Doc had both. plus he had Sam Cassell. so behind Rondo/Ray Doc could turn to Eddie House for scoring/shooting. He could call on Tony Allen to defend. Or he could call on Sam Cassell to give him a savvy vet PG.

This current Celtics team needs an Eddie House. Carsen Edwards hasn't delivered. Maybe he will...but it sure doesn't seem like he's quite ready. So Danny needs to go out and get that guy.

Not quite the same game as the guys you listed, but ideally Romeo provides that offense off the bench. To me, if Romeo/Timelord develop into consistent contributors (10-15 mpg) by the playoffs, we're in great shape. If they stay hurt/don't develop, then we have a much lower ceiling.

Romeo & Timelord are the answers for next year. They won't be much help in crunch time this year. They aren't ready. that's why I wouldn't trade either 1 of those guys because I feel like they are in the future plans. just not right now. Danny needs to find a way to bring in a scoring guard. Even Jamal Crawford could help at this rate.

I was nodding and nodding until you said Jamal Crawford. Are you sure the Celtics wouldn't be better off with Muggsy Bogues or Earl Boykins instead? I think they probably all ball together at the same LA Fitness, getting dunked on by college walkons.

[djFan71]

no thanks. I don't want anyone that will take away from JT/JB/GH minutes or responsibilities. Absolutely not. Celts are ALL-SET on the wing.

If we are being honest with ourselves, the Celtics needs aren't even what the general public & media says their needs are...everyone is saying, "o, the Celtics need a big." etc etc. And as nice as it would be to upgrade Theis/Kanter/RWilliams/GWilliams, in order to do that Danny would have to move a key piece which in turn would be counter productive. So the ONLY way to upgrade the big man situation is if a good big like Tristian Thompson or whoever gets waived and then chooses Boston. It's going to be very difficult to make a trade that improves the big-man rotation. And honestly, that's fine. I feel like Theis/Kanter/GWilliams have been rock solid.

IMO, what needs to be done, is the Celtics need to find a guard that can provide what they were hoping Carsen Edwards would provide...scoring/shooting. Right now they have Kemba/Marcus/Wanamaker playing the guard minutes. (I consider Jaylen a wing). Wanamaker has done a solid job as the depth guard, but Boston needs either a clear upgrade over Wanamaker, or at the very least a scoring guard that can give Brad that option when the game calls for it. Wanamaker is solid, he's tough, but he isn't going to manufacture offense for you. he plays within the system and does a solid job. so Brad may call on Wanamaker 1 game, and then player X in another game depending on what the game calls for.
This is the Tony Allen VS Eddie House scenario. in 07-08 Doc had both. plus he had Sam Cassell. so behind Rondo/Ray Doc could turn to Eddie House for scoring/shooting. He could call on Tony Allen to defend. Or he could call on Sam Cassell to give him a savvy vet PG.

This current Celtics team needs an Eddie House. Carsen Edwards hasn't delivered. Maybe he will...but it sure doesn't seem like he's quite ready. So Danny needs to go out and get that guy.

Not quite the same game as the guys you listed, but ideally Romeo provides that offense off the bench. To me, if Romeo/Timelord develop into consistent contributors (10-15 mpg) by the playoffs, we're in great shape. If they stay hurt/don't develop, then we have a much lower ceiling.

Romeo & Timelord are the answers for next year. They won't be much help in crunch time this year. They aren't ready. that's why I wouldn't trade either 1 of those guys because I feel like they are in the future plans. just not right now. Danny needs to find a way to bring in a scoring guard. Even Jamal Crawford could help at this rate.

Yeah, I agree somewhat, but also, we really have a crazy low shot of a title this year. I wouldn't mind getting both those guys some good playoff minutes.

I'm all for a consolidation trade of our lower rotation guys / picks, but first preference would be a longer term answer @ swing/PF type instead of a guard. If we can get a Burks, to bolster the bench scoring for low cost, great, but it's not necessarily my priority.

[100proof]

no thanks. I don't want anyone that will take away from JT/JB/GH minutes or responsibilities. Absolutely not. Celts are ALL-SET on the wing.

If we are being honest with ourselves, the Celtics needs aren't even what the general public & media says their needs are...everyone is saying, "o, the Celtics need a big." etc etc. And as nice as it would be to upgrade Theis/Kanter/RWilliams/GWilliams, in order to do that Danny would have to move a key piece which in turn would be counter productive. So the ONLY way to upgrade the big man situation is if a good big like Tristian Thompson or whoever gets waived and then chooses Boston. It's going to be very difficult to make a trade that improves the big-man rotation. And honestly, that's fine. I feel like Theis/Kanter/GWilliams have been rock solid.

IMO, what needs to be done, is the Celtics need to find a guard that can provide what they were hoping Carsen Edwards would provide...scoring/shooting. Right now they have Kemba/Marcus/Wanamaker playing the guard minutes. (I consider Jaylen a wing). Wanamaker has done a solid job as the depth guard, but Boston needs either a clear upgrade over Wanamaker, or at the very least a scoring guard that can give Brad that option when the game calls for it. Wanamaker is solid, he's tough, but he isn't going to manufacture offense for you. he plays within the system and does a solid job. so Brad may call on Wanamaker 1 game, and then player X in another game depending on what the game calls for.
This is the Tony Allen VS Eddie House scenario. in 07-08 Doc had both. plus he had Sam Cassell. so behind Rondo/Ray Doc could turn to Eddie House for scoring/shooting. He could call on Tony Allen to defend. Or he could call on Sam Cassell to give him a savvy vet PG.

This current Celtics team needs an Eddie House. Carsen Edwards hasn't delivered. Maybe he will...but it sure doesn't seem like he's quite ready. So Danny needs to go out and get that guy.

Not quite the same game as the guys you listed, but ideally Romeo provides that offense off the bench. To me, if Romeo/Timelord develop into consistent contributors (10-15 mpg) by the playoffs, we're in great shape. If they stay hurt/don't develop, then we have a much lower ceiling.

Romeo & Timelord are the answers for next year. They won't be much help in crunch time this year. They aren't ready. that's why I wouldn't trade either 1 of those guys because I feel like they are in the future plans. just not right now. Danny needs to find a way to bring in a scoring guard. Even Jamal Crawford could help at this rate.

But next year romeo and timelord will make a leap?
Seems pretty faithful to me to expect a big jumpnin production from them. Especially when neither is hardly healthy

[Dannyboy36]

Chicago might want to salary dump Thaddeus Young, since he's not really fitting in there. Boston would have to trade either Theis or Kanter to make the money work, so they'd need to pick up a center from elsewhere, if they deal for Young.

I always liked Thad Young but I I’d defer on others on this one. Is he a clear upgrade anywhere? I’m gonna guess no.

No. I wouldn't trade Theis for Thad, and I wouldn't trade Kanter for Thad. He's an energy wing that cannot shoot. he wouldn't address what we need

I’m with ya there. Is he worth even picking up in a buyout? He doesn’t seem what we need.

[Dannyboy36]

If New Orleans offered Lonzo for Smart..

Even I never get this desperate Andrew.

I'm not proposing it, just wondering what people think.. I love Lonzo Ball but think the Perk/Jeff Green comparison is accurate.. you just couldn't do it. I think Lonzo will *probably* surpass Smart within the next 2-3 years - he's got great defensive upside, he's taller and longer, he's fixing his shot and developing his offense, and he has great court vision - in theory he could end up better than Jason Kidd. It's just an interesting thought experiment because he may *not* get that good, and you can't really afford to trade for him if you're already winning.. like, I don't think Milwaukee could or would trade Eric Bledsoe for Lonzo..

Wow. That’s a really interesting one. Lonzo to the Bucks. Almost a guaranteed win for the future but a move a gm would get absolutely roasted for if the team flattened out for any reason.

[MagicBagley18]

We get bertans yet?

[TheOGJabroni]

Ivan rabb released.

Think he can be a player in the league. Just always been on bad fit teams.

Always thought he'd be a good player in the NBA. I remember thinking so watching him and Brown at Cal. I haven't really seen anything about him in the NBA. Not sure if there's really a role for him on this team though.

[Fencer reregistered]

We need a PF stronger than Tatum and with more length than Grant but who is still versatile like a wing.

Jaylen?

He plays SG. And no, 6-7 isn’t length at PF position. I’d like somebody who is 6-9 or 6-10 who could hold his own against a low post bruiser for 3-4 sec. if he had to switch.

I think Jaylen plays forward a majority of the time, in that he's usually on the court with two or more other guys who'd be described as guards.

[jeremym480]

Let’s get back to talking about Bogdanovich! Ha. I know. Probably not gonna happen.

It's pretty close but Bogdanovic or Bertans is who I would like. Both players have Bird Rights so theoretically, we re-sign them next offseason and both would be decent replacements if Hayward decides to pull a "Horford" in the offseason.... because y'all know if Hayward does leave we're not going to be able to afford anyone better than those two anyway so might as well take care of an insurance plan now. Worst case scenario, try to use them in a Sign and Trade rather than them walking for nothing. Maybe see if we can get the Kings to add Holmes or the Wizards to add Wagner. I'm not sure what those deals would look like though so I'd probably settle for just one of the first two guys.

[Curmudgeon]

Come on guys, it's easy to trade Porier but nobody wants him, we have to do better.

Put 3M into the deal to cover his salary and they can waive him the day after the trade. Call it an immediately expiring contract. He's salary ballast, that's all.