Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[Andrew McCeltic]

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And I'd still take him! Don't shoot here at all! Fast break or last seconds shots unless he gets to the bucket with no one there!

I would, too.. he can fix his shot, the issue is that he’s not able to get to the rim and finish reliably, it’s dragging his percentages down - no easy baskets. He’s better than he looks right now.

But I would also be happy to see us pick up Frank Ntilikina - tall, long, great defense at three positions, shot coming along, upside as a playmaker - so I’m not really an objective judge.

[Shak_Celts]

Of course Vuc, but not at any cost, a healthy cost maybe.

2 firsts and a rookie?

2 firsts Romeo and Grant?

With Tatum/Brown so good and locked in so long we can't even pretend our 2025 first has a chance at being bad, they're all mid-late 20's.

Not a rookie. We need to keep PP and Nesmith. Other guys will have to do and add 2nds if need be. I really like Romeo so I dunno about him either. We likely will have to give up one of young talents tho, I'm just not sure who.

[LewisnotMiller]

What would people give up for Vucevic?

I don't think Orlando is looking to trade him, but if we could add him to Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum our starting 5 would be as well rounded as it gets. Would gut the youth, but he's signed for 3/72 on a declining contract and would be amazing in Brad's system.

Probably costs us multiple firsts plus at least Nesmith with TT as filler. Vuc fits into the TPE so we don't have to worry about matching salaries.

He's putting up 24/11/4 on .575 TS.

I like him (somewhat), but how do you get him without giving up any core pieces?

I asked on the trade board and first suggestion was:

TT, Nesmith, Langford, BOS 2021 FRP, BOS 2023 FRP plus we eat Terrance Ross's 3/45 deal.

Bit rich for my blood. If we could swap Grant or Timelord in for either of the wings, I think I'd bite. The problem is Orlando doesn't need to move him, so you'll have to overpay

In terms of value, it's close to something I'd do, with a tweak or two. But I don't see how we match salaries on a deal including Vucevic and Ross. I know we have the TPE, but based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of it, can't quite see the workable deal here.

[cl2117]

I like him (somewhat), but how do you get him without giving up any core pieces?

I asked on the trade board and first suggestion was:

TT, Nesmith, Langford, BOS 2021 FRP, BOS 2023 FRP plus we eat Terrance Ross's 3/45 deal.

Bit rich for my blood. If we could swap Grant or Timelord in for either of the wings, I think I'd bite. The problem is Orlando doesn't need to move him, so you'll have to overpay

In terms of value, it's close to something I'd do, with a tweak or two. But I don't see how we match salaries on a deal including Vucevic and Ross. I know we have the TPE, but based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of it, can't quite see the workable deal here.

We'd send out TT, Nesmith and Romeo which would be enough to offset getting back Vuc/Ross. Might need to dump Javonte as it puts us up right at the hard cap, but we can make it work.

[Grahf]

I'm still gonna be touting Lonzo five years from now, when he's washed out of the NBA and playing in China. I loved his game in college and I think he could still be productive in the right situation. Put him on the floor with the Jays, he'll never have to shoot, he can focus on defending, rebounding, igniting the break. As an excellent off the ball player, he'd be a good fit alongside Kemba.

I honestly don't know why he's regressed from last year, but if we can get him for almost nothing, why not?

[Celts17Pride]

Here's a question, if Vuc and A Gordon were available for the same price, who do you take?

Gordon sucks. Does that answer your question?

[RodyTur10]

I like him (somewhat), but how do you get him without giving up any core pieces?

I asked on the trade board and first suggestion was:

TT, Nesmith, Langford, BOS 2021 FRP, BOS 2023 FRP plus we eat Terrance Ross's 3/45 deal.

Bit rich for my blood. If we could swap Grant or Timelord in for either of the wings, I think I'd bite. The problem is Orlando doesn't need to move him, so you'll have to overpay

In terms of value, it's close to something I'd do, with a tweak or two. But I don't see how we match salaries on a deal including Vucevic and Ross. I know we have the TPE, but based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of it, can't quite see the workable deal here.

It's not feasible to take on Ross as well. So that part makes no sense. But Ross is signed for 24/2 over the coming seasons, which actually makes him a valuable player on a decent contract. I wouldn't mind him at all on the Celtics roster, it's just not possible (unless we trade Walker or Smart).

But two first round picks, two rookie contracts (not Pritchard) + Thompson is a steep price though not unreasonable. I would insist that the two rookie contracts aren't both wings. And if Orlando picks Nesmith I'd want to chose which big goes along with him since Nesmith has more trading value than Langford and then I'd keep Robert over Grant Williams. So:

Thompson + Nesmith and G.Williams or Langford and R.Williams + BOS 2021 FRP + BOS 2023 FRP

That's a pretty big haul for Orlando.

[Celtics_Champs]

I’m pretty sure I trashed Vuc when the debate was to sign him or Kemba.

But that was more pro-Kemba. I would certainly take him now.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Trade Rob Williams, Grant Williams, Carson Edwards, a pick and another contract filler for Lonzo. Can absorb Nicolo Melli into Kanter's TPE, if needed.

[Celtics_Champs]

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I like Lonzo as a Smart-lite player. Someone who'd play defense and distribute the ball to the guys who needs it (the two J's). In a vacuum I'd love to buy low on him. Lonzo can be a good role player and a defensive specialist can have a long and prosperous life in the league.

The problem however the is Lavar Ball reality show. Is dad ready for him to be the guy who earns respect doing the dirty work rather than play acting at being "the star?"

Sure why not. He’s on to his other son now.

[bucknersrevenge]

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I like Lonzo as a Smart-lite player. Someone who'd play defense and distribute the ball to the guys who needs it (the two J's). In a vacuum I'd love to buy low on him. Lonzo can be a good role player and a defensive specialist can have a long and prosperous life in the league.

The problem however the is Lavar Ball reality show. Is dad ready for him to be the guy who earns respect doing the dirty work rather than play acting at being "the star?"

Sure why not. He’s on to his other son now.

I think the real question is could Lavar handle his son being a Celtic?? Or would he spontaneously combust?

[captain green]

I'd personally like to see lavar spontaneous combust just saying for that I'm in

[31to6]

I’m pretty sure I trashed Vuc when the debate was to sign him or Kemba.

But that was more pro-Kemba. I would certainly take him now.

alone, you were far from!
everyone trashed the Vuc!

The problem is we'd have to do one of these stupid "three firsts and multiple swaps" deals.
But if we could get him here I'd trade any fairly painful combination of assets outside Smart/JB/JT.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Go after Zach Lavine! Let bull rebuild....

[LewisnotMiller]

I asked on the trade board and first suggestion was:

TT, Nesmith, Langford, BOS 2021 FRP, BOS 2023 FRP plus we eat Terrance Ross's 3/45 deal.

Bit rich for my blood. If we could swap Grant or Timelord in for either of the wings, I think I'd bite. The problem is Orlando doesn't need to move him, so you'll have to overpay

In terms of value, it's close to something I'd do, with a tweak or two. But I don't see how we match salaries on a deal including Vucevic and Ross. I know we have the TPE, but based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of it, can't quite see the workable deal here.

We'd send out TT, Nesmith and Romeo which would be enough to offset getting back Vuc/Ross. Might need to dump Javonte as it puts us up right at the hard cap, but we can make it work.

Hmm...thought there were restrictions on combining the TPE, so still dunno how that works.
Regardless, I'd be on board with the basic concept of 2 FR picks, plus say Romeo and Grant.
Tristan Thompson is trade eligible in a few days, and is certainly not an issue to include as well. Dump/trade Javonte, Waters as required.

[ConstableGeneva]

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...while he watches his friend JT get All-NBA honors and be a few clutch plays away from reaching the Finals.

[bucknersrevenge]

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And I'd still take him! Don't shoot here at all! Fast break or last seconds shots unless he gets to the bucket with no one there!

I would, too.. he can fix his shot, the issue is that he’s not able to get to the rim and finish reliably, it’s dragging his percentages down - no easy baskets. He’s better than he looks right now.

But I would also be happy to see us pick up Frank Ntilikina - tall, long, great defense at three positions, shot coming along, upside as a playmaker - so I’m not really an objective judge.

Agreed. Ball shot 37.% from 3 last year and he was an excellent defender. I don't buy for a minute that he's washed. He'd be excellent here running our sets, running the break with the Jay's. He'd get everyone easy looks and help increase the pace. I think he'd be awesome.

Hence, why Danny will never trade for him.

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In terms of value, it's close to something I'd do, with a tweak or two. But I don't see how we match salaries on a deal including Vucevic and Ross. I know we have the TPE, but based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of it, can't quite see the workable deal here.

We'd send out TT, Nesmith and Romeo which would be enough to offset getting back Vuc/Ross. Might need to dump Javonte as it puts us up right at the hard cap, but we can make it work.

Hmm...thought there were restrictions on combining the TPE, so still dunno how that works.
Regardless, I'd be on board with the basic concept of 2 FR picks, plus say Romeo and Grant.
Tristan Thompson is trade eligible in a few days, and is certainly not an issue to include as well. Dump/trade Javonte, Waters as required.

Vucevic fits in the TPE.

Thompson, once he's tradeable, could provide much but not all of the salary in a deal for Ross. Adding other players would quickly get the outgoing salary high enough to work.

[Curmudgeon]

LOL, Marcus Smart passes the ball as well as Lonzo. Defends better too.

[ConstableGeneva]

We'd send out TT, Nesmith and Romeo which would be enough to offset getting back Vuc/Ross. Might need to dump Javonte as it puts us up right at the hard cap, but we can make it work.

Hmm...thought there were restrictions on combining the TPE, so still dunno how that works.
Regardless, I'd be on board with the basic concept of 2 FR picks, plus say Romeo and Grant.
Tristan Thompson is trade eligible in a few days, and is certainly not an issue to include as well. Dump/trade Javonte, Waters as required.

Vucevic fits in the TPE.

Thompson, once he's tradeable, could provide much but not all of the salary in a deal for Ross. Adding other players would quickly get the outgoing salary high enough to work.

If we weren't hard-capped, Thompson+whoever for Vucevic+Ross would work. Vuc into TPE. Thompson salary-matches with Ross by himself.

But since we're taking back something around $39M in salaries and are hard-capped, we can only receive around $21M and would need to send back $18M+. Not worth it, esp. for Terrence Ross.