"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[bucknersrevenge]

I just hope they can have Poeltl workout with Bender, because he would destroy Bender.

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

This scares the bejeezus outta me. Drafting a guy at 3 that wants to be Toni Kukoc.

"Sign me up for that!" -said nobody...ever...not even Chicago.

[Curmudgeon]

Jacob Poetl has Chris Kaman written all over him. No thanks.

I might take him at #16 if guys like Valentine, Davis, Baldwin, Damian Jones, Korkmaz, Luwawu and Sabonis have already been taken.

As fopr Bender's idol being Kukoc, Kukoc and Drazen Petrovic were the best players ever to come out of Croatia. Who did you want him to idolize, Dino Radja?

[Bluewhale]

Please give the kid a break.
What's wrong for a Croatian boy to worship a Croatian basketball hero?

[sam_I_am]

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

This scares the bejeezus outta me. Drafting a guy at 3 that wants to be Toni Kukoc.

"Sign me up for that!" -said nobody...ever...not even Chicago.

Nobody with a top 14 pick said that in 2013 about a 6-11 kid who fancied himself a PG either and that freak is now considered the steal and best player in the draft.

[Patsfan1081]

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

This scares the bejeezus outta me. Drafting a guy at 3 that wants to be Toni Kukoc.

"Sign me up for that!" -said nobody...ever...not even Chicago.

Bender destroyed Sabonnis in juniors over in Europe. Bender isn't afraid to bang, he just needs to get bigger.

[Patsfan1081]

We've gotten to the point of ripping Toni Kukoc as a means of discreeting Bender know? I've never seen a player get so much unwarranted(and in most cases uneducated) criticism as Bender is getting this year.

[CharlesBradleyLikesToDunk]

I don't much of anything about Bender and I'm not going to come out with some strong opinion on the kid and will rather trust the powers that be.

Here is what I do know: Kukoc would have been pretty good in this era and in this offense. Maybe we can get him for the veteran minimum. So what if he's pushing almost 50.

[bucknersrevenge]

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

This scares the bejeezus outta me. Drafting a guy at 3 that wants to be Toni Kukoc.

"Sign me up for that!" -said nobody...ever...not even Chicago.

Nobody with a top 14 pick said that in 2013 about a 6-11 kid who fancied himself a PG either and that freak is now considered the steal and best player in the draft.

Agreed. Other than being 6-11 and from another country I'm not ready to call this kid Giannis' brother from another mother. If you do, good for you. I remember Kukoc as a nice player. But that's it. I thought his game was nice. Phill made it work in the triangle. He was at best a #3 scorer. I'm seeing posts declaring "Kid Kukoc" here a star in a year or 2. I'm just saying. Before you go on expect Antetekounpo, I'm just saying there's a chance you might get Kukoc instead...or worse.

[bucknersrevenge]

Please give the kid a break.
What's wrong for a Croatian boy to worship a Croatian basketball hero?

Not a thing in the world. Kukoc was a national hero. Played next to Jordan. I'm just not all that jazzed about drafting the next Toni Kukoc. I'd like someone who's gonna make more of an impact than that.We already had that player on this team except we called him Evan Turner. There is a risk with drafting this kid. That's all I'm saying.

[threrf23]

Please give the kid a break.
What's wrong for a Croatian boy to worship a Croatian basketball hero?

There is obviously nothing wrong with it. I can only speak for myself, but to me, the takeaway is that this is a guy who says he wants to be a stretch four. I do not really want to use a top 3 pick on a stretch four (slash five), unless he is the next Dirk or KG or something to that effect. And I am not necessarily sold on Bender being the next the Dirk or KG or something to that effect. If Danny was sold I would trust him.

[sully00]

This scares the bejeezus outta me. Drafting a guy at 3 that wants to be Toni Kukoc.

"Sign me up for that!" -said nobody...ever...not even Chicago.

Nobody with a top 14 pick said that in 2013 about a 6-11 kid who fancied himself a PG either and that freak is now considered the steal and best player in the draft.

Agreed. Other than being 6-11 and from another country I'm not ready to call this kid Giannis' brother from another mother. If you do, good for you. I remember Kukoc as a nice player. But that's it. I thought his game was nice. Phill made it work in the triangle. He was at best a #3 scorer. I'm seeing posts declaring "Kid Kukoc" here a star in a year or 2. I'm just saying. Before you go on expect Antetekounpo, I'm just saying there's a chance you might get Kukoc instead...or worse.

First of all Giannis is still the most overrated player in the NBA. He doesn't rebound well enough to be a PF, doesn't shoot well enough to play on the wing and doesn't defend any position well. They play him at PG and he can't manage a 2:1 ratio. He is a better passer than Tobias Harris but they are very similar players. The Bucks went from Brandon Knight's team to Giannis' team and collapsed.

Giannis wouldn't play 30mpg for Jordan's Bulls what are you guys smoking? Kukoc was a more consistent 3pt stroke away from being a great player. He was a 3 time NBA champion and 6th man of the year. I will take Toni Kukoc at #3. That said Bender is bigger, a better rebounder, and a better shooter so if he is a better rebounding and shooting version of Kukoc then sign me up.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jacob Poetl has Chris Kaman written all over him. No thanks.

I might take him at #16 if guys like Valentine, Davis, Baldwin, Damian Jones, Korkmaz, Luwawu and Sabonis have already been taken.

As fopr Bender's idol being Kukoc, Kukoc and Drazen Petrovic were the best players ever to come out of Croatia. Who did you want him to idolize, Dino Radja?

Kaman was the sixth pick in a historically great draft and averaged 15 points, 12 rebounds and almost 3 blocks in his best season with the Clippers. If Poeltl is a high floor, low ceiling player, great. But this is like every draft, those seven guys you just listed, most of them will be afterthoughts by the end of summer league.

I still like Diamond Stone as a gamble at 23..

[galipeautim]

Nobody with a top 14 pick said that in 2013 about a 6-11 kid who fancied himself a PG either and that freak is now considered the steal and best player in the draft.

Agreed. Other than being 6-11 and from another country I'm not ready to call this kid Giannis' brother from another mother. If you do, good for you. I remember Kukoc as a nice player. But that's it. I thought his game was nice. Phill made it work in the triangle. He was at best a #3 scorer. I'm seeing posts declaring "Kid Kukoc" here a star in a year or 2. I'm just saying. Before you go on expect Antetekounpo, I'm just saying there's a chance you might get Kukoc instead...or worse.

First of all Giannis is still the most overrated player in the NBA. He doesn't rebound well enough to be a PF, doesn't shoot well enough to play on the wing and doesn't defend any position well. They play him at PG and he can't manage a 2:1 ratio. He is a better passer than Tobias Harris but they are very similar players. The Bucks went from Brandon Knight's team to Giannis' team and collapsed.

Giannis wouldn't play 30mpg for Jordan's Bulls what are you guys smoking? Kukoc was a more consistent 3pt stroke away from being a great player. He was a 3 time NBA champion and 6th man of the year. I will take Toni Kukoc at #3. That said Bender is bigger, a better rebounder, and a better shooter so if he is a better rebounding and shooting version of Kukoc then sign me up.

The hate on the Greek Freak is unbelievable in this post. The dude is younger than half the players in this draft and he dominates NBA games. I could care less if at this point in his career if he doesn't have a position, the kid is a stud.

I also love Kukoc and would embrace a similar type player with the third pick, but really with the GA hate? Did you get fiddled with in Greece or something?

[Bluewhale]

I do not really want to use a top 3 pick on a stretch four (slash five), unless he is the next Dirk or KG or something to that effect. And I am not necessarily sold on Bender being the next the Dirk or KG or something to that effect. If Danny was sold I would trust him.

IMHO, the best strategy is pick the BPA, no matter who is stretch 4 or not, at pick 3.

And I think Bender is BPA

[Bluewhale]

Not a thing in the world. Kukoc was a national hero. Played next to Jordan. I'm just not all that jazzed about drafting the next Toni Kukoc. I'd like someone who's gonna make more of an impact than that.We already had that player on this team except we called him Evan Turner. There is a risk with drafting this kid. That's all I'm saying.

First, did you say Kukoc is as good as Evan Turner? This cannot be right.

Second, Idolizing Kukoc has nothing to do with Bender's ceiling, not at all.

[sully00]

The hate on the Greek Freak is unbelievable in this post. The dude is younger than half the players in this draft and he dominates NBA games. I could care less if at this point in his career if he doesn't have a position, the kid is a stud.

But you didn't refute anything I said because it is all a fact. I don't care if doesn't have a position he just needs to be great at something or good at everything. He is average at everything, and his team has suffered as his role has expanded. Great he is young tall and skinny. But he is 21 and has 3 years in the league, he has played over 7000 mins.

Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a bad player, I just think he is vastly overrated. Kevin Durant at 21 and his 3rd season in the league was avg 30/7/3. Could he be Lamar Odom? Maybe. I just don't see year 3 Kevin Garnett. I see individual great plays, he certainly can take over a game or a half but he doesn't do night to night and it doesn't result in wins. I just don't see a star player a stud as you say, I see a good player.

[galipeautim]

The hate on the Greek Freak is unbelievable in this post. The dude is younger than half the players in this draft and he dominates NBA games. I could care less if at this point in his career if he doesn't have a position, the kid is a stud.

But you didn't refute anything I said because it is all a fact. I don't care if doesn't have a position he just needs to be great at something or good at everything. He is average at everything, and his team has suffered as his role has expanded. Great he is young tall and skinny. But he is 21 and has 3 years in the league, he has played over 7000 mins.

Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a bad player, I just think he is vastly overrated. Kevin Durant at 21 and his 3rd season in the league was avg 30/7/3. Could he be Lamar Odom? Maybe. I just don't see year 3 Kevin Garnett. I see individual great plays, he certainly can take over a game or a half but he doesn't do night to night and it doesn't result in wins. I just don't see a star player a stud as you say, I see a good player.

I will take a player with an Odom floor and a KG ceiling anyday. Odom would be a HOFer if not for drugs and other issues. How many 21 year olds have averaged 17 points, 8 rebs, 4 assists and more than a block and a steal a game? Sign me up. Could I see him averaging 20, 10, 5, 2 steals and 2 blocks? absolutely. Could I see him "only" averaging 17, 8, 4, 1 and 1 and developing finer aspects of the game? sure. Either way sign me up!!

[Curmudgeon]

I don't attribute the Bucks' problems last year to Giannis at all. The problem is Monroe and will continue to be Monroe.
Giannis was 17-8-4 with a decent assist to turnover ratio. He has improved from year to year in virtually every statistical category.
He needs to improve his 3 point shooting, but he will be an all star more than once or twice.

[Curmudgeon]

Kaman was the sixth pick in a historically great draft and averaged 15 points, 12 rebounds and almost 3 blocks in his best season with the Clippers. If Poeltl is a high floor, low ceiling player, great. But this is like every draft, those seven guys you just listed, most of them will be afterthoughts by the end of summer league.

Well, I suppose a Kaman clone is ok with the 16th pick. But I like all of the players I listed better. And who is to say that Poeltl won't be an afterthought after Summer league as well?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Kaman was the sixth pick in a historically great draft and averaged 15 points, 12 rebounds and almost 3 blocks in his best season with the Clippers. If Poeltl is a high floor, low ceiling player, great. But this is like every draft, those seven guys you just listed, most of them will be afterthoughts by the end of summer league.

Well, I suppose a Kaman clone is ok with the 16th pick. But I like all of the players I listed better. And who is to say that Poeltl won't be an afterthought after Summer league as well?

This draft is bumming me out, I've talked through too many of them to have any confidence in any of our predictions.. Someone should make a draft projections thread so we can all go on record saying 'Ellenson will be an all-star', 'Bender is a bust' ,etc.