Gordon Hayward Thread

[jfs1000d]

I'm more concerned with the terrible decision-making in tight spots. That layup attempt today with like 45 seconds left? Yikes. The decision to go for a layup late against OKC? Dumb as well.

That layup attempt within the final minute was one of the most idiotic shot attempts I've seen this season. How does a 30 year old veteran make that play?

That was a shot on the rim that he makes 90% of the time.

You can’t get a better shot than that. He missed i


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[Dangit]

This is getting silly, dude has been playing amazing..... the overreaction when he has a so/so game are so stale ....Hayward is exactly the guy you want on the floor with Tatum

[peachbucket]

I view him as the weakest link on the starting unit which is saying something about our team (including Daniel Theis and Marcus Smart). Nothing to do with his injury/ability and everything due to his passive nature/confidence level.

He needs to be brought back on a 4 year 22m/yr team friendly deal and then shipped out in a package when/if an upgrade at 3-5 becomes available. If he wants more than 25m then kick rocks.

[crimsonandblue]

I'm more concerned with the terrible decision-making in tight spots. That layup attempt today with like 45 seconds left? Yikes. The decision to go for a layup late against OKC? Dumb as well.

That layup attempt within the final minute was one of the most idiotic shot attempts I've seen this season. How does a 30 year old veteran make that play?

That was a shot on the rim that he makes 90% of the time.

You can’t get a better shot than that. He missed i


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Meh, it was pretty risky in that situation. Not worth it.

[Green89]

That layup attempt within the final minute was one of the most idiotic shot attempts I've seen this season. How does a 30 year old veteran make that play?

That was a shot on the rim that he makes 90% of the time.

You can’t get a better shot than that. He missed i


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Meh, it was pretty risky in that situation. Not worth it.

I put it more on Brad there. He needed to give the "hold up and burn clock call" and he clearly didn't.

[zoyathedestroya]

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...except it didn't go in.

Brad and Gordo need to win a title together. JMO.

[jmr07019]

I wonder how much Corona virus will effect salary cap and if it could be significant enough to make Hayward opt in.

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...except it didn't go in.

Brad and Gordo need to win a title together. JMO.

Terrible ATO execution doomed them.

Butler had the ball, down 1, with 2 TOs. They failed to get the ball in on an ATO, and burned their last TO to get a do-over. That play went nowhere, and they fouled Duke after their miss. Then the Duke player missed his 2nd FT, Hayward rebounded, there were no TOs left, and his best choice was to let a shot fly that was very unlikely to go in.

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...except it didn't go in.

Brad and Gordo need to win a title together. JMO.

Terrible ATO execution doomed them.

Butler had the ball, down 1, with 2 TOs. They failed to get the ball in on an ATO, and burned their last TO to get a do-over. That play went nowhere, and they fouled Duke after their miss. Then the Duke player missed his 2nd FT, Hayward rebounded, there were no TOs left, and his best choice was to let a shot fly that was very unlikely to go in.

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[zoyathedestroya]

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[GregB]

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...except it didn't go in.

Brad and Gordo need to win a title together. JMO.

Terrible ATO execution doomed them.

Butler had the ball, down 1, with 2 TOs. They failed to get the ball in on an ATO, and burned their last TO to get a do-over. That play went nowhere, and they fouled Duke after their miss. Then the Duke player missed his 2nd FT, Hayward rebounded, there were no TOs left, and his best choice was to let a shot fly that was very unlikely to go in.

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Maybe that’s why Brad became so awful in the other direction now. Bunch of times this year Brad didn’t call a timeout to save one and it Cost us the game.

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[Captain_Caveman]

I wonder how much Corona virus will effect salary cap and if it could be significant enough to make Hayward opt in.

I think this is a major, major question. I felt pretty confident that he would opt-out and resign at a lower number, like 3y/90m guaranteed, but hard to say on that now. We lost 1/3rd of the season, and this whole thing could definitely drag into most or all of next season. The cap and tax numbers could be substantially lower that projected for the next two seasons.

Teams that were set to be substantial taxpayers next season are now likely going to get slaughtered. If I am Boston, I still give him the 3y/90m, but maybe not. Even if we do, it might cost us Smart.

[GoGreen]

Hayward hasn't shot in nearly a month??? I hope it's cause he doesn't have access to a private court...

[bucknersrevenge]

I wonder how much Corona virus will effect salary cap and if it could be significant enough to make Hayward opt in.

I think this is a major, major question. I felt pretty confident that he would opt-out and resign at a lower number, like 3y/90m guaranteed, but hard to say on that now. We lost 1/3rd of the season, and this whole thing could definitely drag into most or all of next season. The cap and tax numbers could be substantially lower that projected for the next two seasons.

Teams that were set to be substantial taxpayers next season are now likely going to get slaughtered. If I am Boston, I still give him the 3y/90m, but maybe not. Even if we do, it might cost us Smart.

This is the situation I think is worth monitoring moving forward. In full agreement that Hayward opts out to resign at a lower number (I have him at 4/104M with the regular 120% raises) to give us some breathing room next year. But Tatum is getting the max, And I have to believe that Theis is gonna get at least a 3 year deal after next year worth at least double what he's getting now. Add in Waters and maybe Fall getting guaranteed deals at some point, and it starts to paint a picture. Marcus is in Year 2 of a 4 year deal at reasonable money. He'll probably be in line for a raise as he hits the end of this deal. He could be most valuable in a trade at the deadline next year unless Danny doesn't want to rock the boat mid-season of a potential title run. If that happens, the next offseason is shaping to be a big decision. Do you keep him in his final year while paying the tax at what could be considerable numbers or does he become a casualty of business with Waters, Langford, and low cost vet FA waiting in the wings?

[Soulcatcher33]

Hayward hasn't shot in nearly a month??? I hope it's cause he doesn't have access to a private court...

Tatum has said he hasn't touched a basketball since the season was suspended. Calm down. Most of the players, especially the ones with kids, are just trying to stay safe. Hayward has three daughters and his wife is pregnant with a fourth child. Of course he's not thinking about basketball at this point.

[Parliament10]

Hayward hasn't shot in nearly a month??? I hope it's cause he doesn't have access to a private court...

Tatum has said he hasn't touched a basketball since the season was suspended. Calm down. Most of the players, especially the ones with kids, are just trying to stay safe. Hayward has three daughters and his wife is pregnant with a fourth child. Of course he's not thinking about basketball at this point.

Word is, it's a Boy.

[Parliament10]

I wonder how much Corona virus will effect salary cap and if it could be significant enough to make Hayward opt in.

I think this is a major, major question. I felt pretty confident that he would opt-out and resign at a lower number, like 3y/90m guaranteed, but hard to say on that now. We lost 1/3rd of the season, and this whole thing could definitely drag into most or all of next season. The cap and tax numbers could be substantially lower that projected for the next two seasons.

Teams that were set to be substantial taxpayers next season are now likely going to get slaughtered. If I am Boston, I still give him the 3y/90m, but maybe not. Even if we do, it might cost us Smart.

This is the situation I think is worth monitoring moving forward. In full agreement that Hayward opts out to resign at a lower number (I have him at 4/104M with the regular 120% raises) to give us some breathing room next year. But Tatum is getting the max, And I have to believe that Theis is gonna get at least a 3 year deal after next year worth at least double what he's getting now. Add in Waters and maybe Fall getting guaranteed deals at some point, and it starts to paint a picture. Marcus is in Year 2 of a 4 year deal at reasonable money. He'll probably be in line for a raise as he hits the end of this deal. He could be most valuable in a trade at the deadline next year unless Danny doesn't want to rock the boat mid-season of a potential title run. If that happens, the next offseason is shaping to be a big decision. Do you keep him in his final year while paying the tax at what could be considerable numbers or does he become a casualty of business with Waters, Langford, and low cost vet FA waiting in the wings?

I just can't see Ainge rocking the boat, so to speak, just for Finances.
I think that it would take a major player coming in, to trade any of the core. Particularly, Team Shamrock.

[itrsteve]

I just can't see Ainge rocking the boat, so to speak, just for Finances.
I think that it would take a major player coming in, to trade any of the core. Particularly, Team Shamrock.

John K had an interesting analysis based on anticipated cap adjustments, assumed Tatum extension and repeated tax implications where it pays for itself to put Hayward on a longer 5yr deal... He proposed an opt-out with a 5/100 starting at 17.5m on year 1 (it's on the March 30th Locked-On podcast - fast forward to 30'ish min).

But the net of it was getting him to a 5yr this summer by avoiding the luxury tax line (and starting the counter for the repeater) ends up being a wash. Think of it as financing the tail end of his new contract with money saved from avoiding the tax and subsequent repeater taxes.

So in the Celtic's favor (assuming you want to keep Hayward, which I do)... You can structure a compelling deal to Gordo for long term stability (remember, he has 4 kids) that nets him a collective extra $66m of wealth at no real expense to the company.

[Parliament10]

I just can't see Ainge rocking the boat, so to speak, just for Finances.
I think that it would take a major player coming in, to trade any of the core. Particularly, Team Shamrock.

John K had an interesting analysis based on anticipated cap adjustments, assumed Tatum extension and repeated tax implications where it pays for itself to put Hayward on a longer 5yr deal... He proposed an opt-out with a 5/100 starting at 17.5m on year 1 (it's on the March 30th Locked-On podcast - fast forward to 30'ish min).

But the net of it was getting him to a 5yr this summer by avoiding the luxury tax line (and starting the counter for the repeater) ends up being a wash. Think of it as financing the tail end of his new contract with money saved from avoiding the tax and subsequent repeater taxes.

So in the Celtic's favor (assuming you want to keep Hayward, which I do)... You can structure a compelling deal to Gordo for long term stability (remember, he has 4 kids) that nets him a collective extra $66m of wealth at no real expense to the company.

Generally, I don't want to keep Hayward. I just think that his position is too redundant, to pay a 4th option.
However, if we could retain him for 5-yr/$100M; I'd be all for that.