Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt. 10: Free Agency is in Free Flow

[Bohemian]

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[Celtics_Champs]

I believe they do have faith in Edwards.

[jeremym480]

I love Beal.

Washington isn’t trading him to us.

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

[ddb]

it would require a trade, but Dario Saric is a name I'd be interested in for Boston. I'd be curious to know how much Phoenix likes Saric and if they consider him part of their plans moving forward?

[Darth Celtic]

Just give 4 year deal to Tacko. Done.

[Edug27]

Yep. See my post above. Without Kemba, and sending ballast & Jaylen, I'm all onboard. As is, I just don't see a Kemba/Beal/Tatum/Hayward/Kanter team stopping too many people.

Hayward and Tatum are better defenders than you give them credit for.. and Jaylen isn’t as good a defender as you’re giving him credit for here.

They're good, but they're not fixing Kemba/Beal/Kanter. Neither is Jaylen.

So just to be clear.. you think swapping Jaylen and Smart for Beal makes us a worse overall team?

[Edug27]

I love Beal.

Washington isn’t trading him to us.

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

How can any team trade for both Beal and Wall? That’s 64 mil combined salary.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I love Beal.

Washington isn’t trading him to us.

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

Guessing the cost would be Smart, Brown, MEM pick and another 2 unprotected firsts, including in 2022. Definitely steep.

[djFan71]

Hayward and Tatum are better defenders than you give them credit for.. and Jaylen isn’t as good a defender as you’re giving him credit for here.

They're good, but they're not fixing Kemba/Beal/Kanter. Neither is Jaylen.

So just to be clear.. you think swapping Jaylen and Smart for Beal makes us a worse overall team?

No, but I don't think it's as much better as you think it is either. It's redundant offensive skills with nobody to do the dirty work. Not saying Smart/Jaylen is some nirvana team. But, mainly, I don't see Kemba & Beal as the right platform to build a contender around. I would rather use those trade pieces for another player. TBD who that is, but I don't buy the idea that nobody else will shake loose. (Or that Beal is actually loose for that price).

[zoyathedestroya]

I love Beal.

Washington isn’t trading him to us.

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

How can any team trade for both Beal and Wall? That’s 64 mil combined salary.

Right now, Miami can. If that's all it would take. Denver can easily put a package together -- Millsap/Plumlee/Harris. Again, just in terms of salary not extending more than two years.

[Slartibartfast]

They're good, but they're not fixing Kemba/Beal/Kanter. Neither is Jaylen.

So just to be clear.. you think swapping Jaylen and Smart for Beal makes us a worse overall team?

No, but I don't think it's as much better as you think it is either. It's redundant offensive skills with nobody to do the dirty work. Not saying Smart/Jaylen is some nirvana team. But, mainly, I don't see Kemba & Beal as the right platform to build a contender around. I would rather use those trade pieces for another player. TBD who that is, but I don't buy the idea that nobody else will shake loose. (Or that Beal is actually loose for that price).

It would be Dame/CJ Eastern conference edition. Lots of offensive firepower, but a bit toothless against elite teams.

[zoyathedestroya]

So just to be clear.. you think swapping Jaylen and Smart for Beal makes us a worse overall team?

No, but I don't think it's as much better as you think it is either. It's redundant offensive skills with nobody to do the dirty work. Not saying Smart/Jaylen is some nirvana team. But, mainly, I don't see Kemba & Beal as the right platform to build a contender around. I would rather use those trade pieces for another player. TBD who that is, but I don't buy the idea that nobody else will shake loose. (Or that Beal is actually loose for that price).

It would be Dame/CJ Eastern conference edition. Lots of offensive firepower, but a bit toothless against elite teams.

Cs don't even have a Nurkic. Even Harkless and Aminu were better defenders than Tatum and Hayward.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I love Beal.

Washington isn’t trading him to us.

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

How can any team trade for both Beal and Wall? That’s 64 mil combined salary.

Toronto has $77 million in expirings from Gasol/Ibaka/Lowry. I guess it would all depend on how badly Washington would want to get rid of Wall's contract, because other than Siakam, Toronto doesn't have much else to throw into a deal to acquire Beal.

[MagicBagley18]

Best playoff run of Beal at age 23 vs. Best playoff run of Brown at age 21



Not that far off on offensive production (scoring and efficiency). Brown better on defense.

I think main difference is Beal can be a 1B on a conference finalist. Brown might be third banana at best due to his skill limitations (which I'm unsure how much he'll improve on).

That’s the thing...you brought it up Browns skill limitations- 30 million for a 3rd banana? scares the hell out of me. I know the cap raises etc but still if brown doesn’t make that leap the extension could hurt us bad.

In your mind with the nba as it is today and the east is kemba/Beal/Hayward/Tatum a championship core?

Nope. That core is soft af. A lot of finesse, smoothness, and shooting. Not a lot of toughness and physicality. But then again, I'm more defensive-oriented than most. Take Draymond out of the healthy Warriors, I think they're vulnerable. No Kawhi, no Raps title. Lebron loafs on D, Cavs weren't the same team. Etc, etc.

i don't think kemba is soft at all. i think he has balls of steel. i also would rather find the elite scoring and shooting and then find toughness then have the toughness and not have top talent. crowder was tough, bradley was tough, how'd that go?

[zoyathedestroya]

Still waiting for the rest of the signings...

[MagicBagley18]

I love Beal.

Washington isn’t trading him to us.

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

Guessing the cost would be Smart, Brown, MEM pick and another 2 unprotected firsts, including in 2022. Definitely steep.

just on math jaylen and brown would have to go. it is most likely jaylen/smart/memphis milwaukee

[zoyathedestroya]

That’s the thing...you brought it up Browns skill limitations- 30 million for a 3rd banana? scares the hell out of me. I know the cap raises etc but still if brown doesn’t make that leap the extension could hurt us bad.

In your mind with the nba as it is today and the east is kemba/Beal/Hayward/Tatum a championship core?

Nope. That core is soft af. A lot of finesse, smoothness, and shooting. Not a lot of toughness and physicality. But then again, I'm more defensive-oriented than most. Take Draymond out of the healthy Warriors, I think they're vulnerable. No Kawhi, no Raps title. Lebron loafs on D, Cavs weren't the same team. Etc, etc.

i don't think kemba is soft at all. i think he has balls of steel. i also would rather find the elite scoring and shooting and then find toughness then have the toughness and not have top talent. crowder was tough, bradley was tough, how'd that go?

LOL I didn't mean I prefer toughness over offensive ineptness. I prefer two-way players. Give me Kawhi, PG, Butler types. Kemba is tough as nails but still weak defensively. That core won't stop the latest iteration of the Bucks, for example, even if you replace Crazy Kyrie with Kemba.

[MagicBagley18]

get top talent...find the physicality and dirt dogs.

[MagicBagley18]

Nope. That core is soft af. A lot of finesse, smoothness, and shooting. Not a lot of toughness and physicality. But then again, I'm more defensive-oriented than most. Take Draymond out of the healthy Warriors, I think they're vulnerable. No Kawhi, no Raps title. Lebron loafs on D, Cavs weren't the same team. Etc, etc.

i don't think kemba is soft at all. i think he has balls of steel. i also would rather find the elite scoring and shooting and then find toughness then have the toughness and not have top talent. crowder was tough, bradley was tough, how'd that go?

LOL I didn't mean I prefer toughness over offensive ineptness. I prefer two-way players. Give me Kawhi, PG, Butler types. Kemba is tough as nails but still weak defensively. That core won't stop the latest iteration of the Bucks, for example, even if you replace Crazy Kyrie with Kemba.

have to agree to disagree i guess, bucks lost brogdon and mirotic and although they still have giannis i think we would be better. hayward healthy with kemba and tatum making the leap most expect and beal with brad coaching is an offensive juggernaught.
76ers have a terrible bench and good luck having them guard that 4 on the wings.

depth this season is an issue but it is already.

[Edug27]

They're good, but they're not fixing Kemba/Beal/Kanter. Neither is Jaylen.

So just to be clear.. you think swapping Jaylen and Smart for Beal makes us a worse overall team?

No, but I don't think it's as much better as you think it is either. It's redundant offensive skills with nobody to do the dirty work. Not saying Smart/Jaylen is some nirvana team. But, mainly, I don't see Kemba & Beal as the right platform to build a contender around. I would rather use those trade pieces for another player. TBD who that is, but I don't buy the idea that nobody else will shake loose. (Or that Beal is actually loose for that price).

So you prefer not trading Jaylen for Beal, and rather pay Jaylen his 20ish mil per season and wait until a better player than Beal comes available in hopes that team is willing to trade them for our overpaid young player... Got it.