Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles

[Homerclease]

Is McBuckets good? I didn’t know he was still in the league, but his stats are good.

No, he’s not. He’s a net negative on the court and the pacers have been trying to dump him for over a year. He shouldn’t see the floor here over Nesmith, period. That’s the holdup IMO, Pacers trying to pawn him off on us and DA doesn’t want him

[Drax]

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Theis is a nobrainer so i assume this win be done as late as possible ... Danny loves us.

[Celtics_Champs]

If reports are to be believed, I'm still unsure why Ainge wouldn't want McDermott + Turner. I feel like that's as good as it gets. No way they'd add Warren or a 1st on top of Myles.

Kemba | Brown | Tatum | Grant | Turner
Smart | Langford | Nesmith | McDermott | Theis
Pritchard | Edwards | Green | Gibson | Timelord

$132.33M. That's just under the tax.

Because that is an even trade and IMO Ainge thinks that an even trade is a losing trade. I know Oladipo is a question mark with his injures but asking for him or Warren and Turner is asking too much and Indy should justifiably be balking at the trade.

Exactly.

Ainge wants to be on the best end of every trade. Which normally is more than fine and that’s great to have a GM like that. But this is a unique situation where Gordo can just walk. Get anything for him. Especially if that anything is Myles Turner.

[ConstableGeneva]

Could they get there by including Ojelye and Edwards (or Green)?

For Oladipo + Turner? Hayward (declining $100M/4 yr contract) + Langford + one of Edwards/Green/Semi gets you there.

But would absolutely need to include Langford still, right?

You can leave him out. Hayward + Semi + Javonte + Edwards works. Assuming my math is correct.

[Jammer]

Why is Danny driving such a hard bargain?

Turner & McDermott = Hayward.

Why make it complicated?

Because it's too much money coming back, even if Edwards goes out with Hayward. You don't want to be up against the tax line in case their is an opportunity to add a mid=season buyout. Bottom line is that Turner is not a good vale 18 million contract. That's thet's the whole point. Taking those two off Indiana's books for Hayward is a huge win for Indiana. Worth a minimum of an unprotected 1rst Round pick + a second round pick, and I am negotiating lightly. I'd love to play poker with you. There's a reason I win..

But His nickname is dougie mcbuckets so he has be worth that contract.

I have no problem with McDermott. It's the combined contract amount. And Turner + McDermott < Hayward. You have to figure in the contract values vs. Production.

The outcomes are:
- Hayward re-signs with Boston on a 18 or 20 million contract
- Hayward goes to the Knicks for around 20 million x 2 years
- Hayward doesn't get to Indiana without a FAIR sign & trade price

Right now, it's not fair. You need to hold. Union negotiations usually break down because the union can't hold together. THis is simply Celtics management. They are not gonna cave, and they absolutely don't owe Hayward a single favor.

[Celtics_Champs]

You guys probably discussed this a thousand pages ago. But if it’s McBuckets, Dipo or Warren who would you guys want in order?

I flip flop on dipo because of the injuries, I am ranking it

Warren
Oladipo
mcBuckets.

[BK_2020]

Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

[darrendaye]

For Oladipo + Turner? Hayward (declining $100M/4 yr contract) + Langford + one of Edwards/Green/Semi gets you there.

But would absolutely need to include Langford still, right?

You can leave him out. Hayward + Semi + Javonte + Edwards works. Assuming my math is correct.

Thanks. Personally, wouldn't be in favor of dealing Langford unless a 1st also comes back. I suppose they could also be attempting to use the Kanter TPE to a 3rd team to get the salary match requirement.

[La Flame]

You guys probably discussed this a thousand pages ago. But if it’s McBuckets, Dipo or Warren who would you guys want in order?

I flip flop on dipo because of the injuries, I am ranking it

Warren
Oladipo
mcBuckets.

Same order but we're not getting Warren and most likely Oladipo either. Without giving up more value than Hayward ofcourse.

[chrisab123]

If Ainge bungles this and Hayward goes to NY due to believing that Danny isn't negotiating in good faith (hes not) then something needs to be done. You can't ask for Oladipo and Turner for Hayward when he could just walk.

Meanwhile...players are currently signing...not sure if Danny is aware or even cares.

[chrisab123]

Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

Why do you care so much about Wyc being in the tax? Are you his accountant?

[BK_2020]

Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

Why do you care so much about Wyc being in the tax? Are you his accountant?

Because it impacts the moves the Celtics can make, don't be ignorant.

[Drax]

If Ainge bungles this and Hayward goes to NY due to believing that Danny isn't negotiating in good faith (hes not) then something needs to be done. You can't ask for Oladipo and Turner for Hayward when he could just walk.

Meanwhile...players are currently signing...not sure if Danny is aware or even cares.

Do we have capspace i am not aware of? Most of those players dont matter to us and players we want with the MLE depend on what we could get from a Hayward trade. Stay calm.

[chrisab123]

Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

Why do you care so much about Wyc being in the tax? Are you his accountant?

Because it impacts the moves the Celtics can make, don't be ignorant.

So who do you want instead of Turner? Who is currently out there that will be better for this team than Turner + whoever, or Gordon Hayward? You need to keep that contract or some kind of it on the books to match salary in a future trade. 18 million is a lot easier to match up with a star contract than 10 million is. So no I really don't see the point of wanting to avoid the tax if you're trying to compete and trying to eventually pry someone like Beal out of Washington.

All of Detroits 8 centers suck and blow.

[Curmudgeon]

I have no problem with McDermott.

I do. Terrible defender who would never see the floor in Boston. Froob has it right. They've been trying to dump him with no takers. Major negative asset.

As for Turner, Theis is a better player. Smaller but better. And TimeLord protects the rim as well as Turner. If you believe in TimeLord's development, Turner is another negative asset.

I thin Ainge has a right to insist on at least one positive asset from the deal, either Warren or a pick. Alternatively, the Pacers can keep Turner and give us Oladipo or Brogdon instead.

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[jirrit]

Ainge just knows Indiana and Gordon need us to make it happen or am I wrong? Can Gordon also do a sign & trade to Indiana with another team? Like sign for OKC then get traded to Indiana? I dont think that’s possible? If not Ainge is gonna Ainge on this one, he won’t bend over but he needs to negotiate this the right way so it doesnt come back in our face.

[ConstableGeneva]

Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

Trade using what? If Hayward walks for nothing, we don't have any trade-able mid-tier salaries. No TPE either.

If we only take on Turner, we could be about $8.8M below the tax line w/ one roster spot open. Full MLE available to use.

[jirrit]

I thought we already accepted Semi’s option?

[jirrit]

Can we change the thread title btw?