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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1841 » by playa-hater » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:42 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Jerami Grant left Denver for Detroit so he can play out his #1 option fantasy and put up big numbers on a crappy team. I don't know why people think he's going to be a difference maker for a .500 team.


realizes now how depressing a move that was??
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1842 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:30 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Jerami Grant left Denver for Detroit so he can play out his #1 option fantasy and put up big numbers on a crappy team. I don't know why people think he's going to be a difference maker for a .500 team.


So, he got it out of his system as young guys usually have the chance to do? Same for Brown and Tatum who never had a real chance to struggle to find their greatness because of the team they ended up on. Most champion players had a chance to be good and bad at the same time when they were as young as Brown and Tatum.

Sure, CP3 has always been good, but not always a winner or leading a winner. Remember how many times he made dumb mistakes in the playoffs before becoming a Sun and people bashed him for seasons for his teams underachieving?! What about KD? Harden? Playoff Paul George? Jimmy Butler? (could name every good player)

Young people need time to grow and hopefully if we find a way to add Grant, he has had his chance to stretch and grow! He's right there at the age where he should be settling in and ready to be a part of a good team.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1843 » by cl2117 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:42 pm

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cl2117 wrote:I'll keep beating the Jerami Grant drum. Detroit ain't going anywhere any time soon and he's expiring next year, so would make sense to try and cash in before he's devalued.

Boston in: Grant, Boston Jr., Garza
Boston out: Romeo, Schroder, Juancho, Bruno, BOS 2022 first unprotected, BOS 2024 unprotected

Detroit in: Romeo, Ibaka, Winslow, 2 firsts, DET 2025 2nd
Detroit out: Grant, Garza

Clippers in: Schroder, Juancho, Bruno
Clippers out: Ibaka, Winslow, Boston Jr., DET 2025 2nd

Give IT a 10 day and see if he can stick for novelty purposes.

Roll out:

Smart/Pritchard/IT
Brown/Richardson/Boston Jr
Tatum/Nesmith
Grant/G. Williams/Parker
Timelord/Horford/Freedom

Defense would be at the top fo the league. Offensively we improve a bit as well.


like the players but 2 first is too much..

Yeah 2 plus Romeo/Nesmith is too much, but I'm fairly confident that gets it done for Detroit. I like to start with an offer I know will land the player I want and work my way back from there. Figure it's more productive to work it that way than debating offers that wouldn't get agreed to by the other side anyway Helps you find your high watermark easier.

Think one of Romeo/Nesmith plus a first and 2nds is my top offer, but I think Detroit hold out for more unless it's this offseason and they know where that pick is (and it's in the mid-teens).
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1844 » by BK_2020 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:54 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:Jerami Grant left Denver for Detroit so he can play out his #1 option fantasy and put up big numbers on a crappy team. I don't know why people think he's going to be a difference maker for a .500 team.


So, he got it out of his system as young guys usually have the chance to do? Same for Brown and Tatum who never had a real chance to struggle to find their greatness because of the team they ended up on. Most champion players had a chance to be good and bad at the same time when they were as young as Brown and Tatum.

Sure, CP3 has always been good, but not always a winner or leading a winner. Remember how many times he made dumb mistakes in the playoffs before becoming a Sun and people bashed him for seasons for his teams underachieving?! What about KD? Harden? Playoff Paul George? Jimmy Butler? (could name every good player)

Young people need time to grow and hopefully if we find a way to add Grant, he has had his chance to stretch and grow! He's right there at the age where he should be settling in and ready to be a part of a good team.


CP3's teams were never underachievers. If anything CP3's teams have consistently overachieved.
He was drafted by a team that won 18 games the previous season, and they immediately became a 38 win team with David West as their 2nd best player. NOH were a 56 win team in CP3's 3rd season with David West and washing up Peja as the stars around CP3.
When CP3 joined the Clippers, they immediately became a 2.8 SRS (7th in the league) team, which was a 5 point turnaround from being a -2.7 SRS team (22nd in the league).
I don't know when you could say CP3 underachieved. I guess the Grizzlies series, but the Clips were 1) coached by Doc Rivers and 2) depending heavily on a couple of 23 and 24 year olds in Griffin and DAJ.
Even if you don't give him the benefit of the doubt for that one playoff series, CP3 has consistently won and elevated his teams no matter where he went.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1845 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:30 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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BK_2020 wrote:Jerami Grant left Denver for Detroit so he can play out his #1 option fantasy and put up big numbers on a crappy team. I don't know why people think he's going to be a difference maker for a .500 team.


So, he got it out of his system as young guys usually have the chance to do? Same for Brown and Tatum who never had a real chance to struggle to find their greatness because of the team they ended up on. Most champion players had a chance to be good and bad at the same time when they were as young as Brown and Tatum.

Sure, CP3 has always been good, but not always a winner or leading a winner. Remember how many times he made dumb mistakes in the playoffs before becoming a Sun and people bashed him for seasons for his teams underachieving?! What about KD? Harden? Playoff Paul George? Jimmy Butler? (could name every good player)

Young people need time to grow and hopefully if we find a way to add Grant, he has had his chance to stretch and grow! He's right there at the age where he should be settling in and ready to be a part of a good team.


CP3's teams were never underachievers. If anything CP3's teams have consistently overachieved.
He was drafted by a team that won 18 games the previous season, and they immediately became a 38 win team with David West as their 2nd best player. NOH were a 56 win team in CP3's 3rd season with David West and washing up Peja as the stars around CP3.
When CP3 joined the Clippers, they immediately became a 2.8 SRS (7th in the league) team, which was a 5 point turnaround from being a -2.7 SRS team (22nd in the league).
I don't know when you could say CP3 underachieved. I guess the Grizzlies series, but the Clips were 1) coached by Doc Rivers and 2) depending heavily on a couple of 23 and 24 year olds in Griffin and DAJ.
Even if you don't give him the benefit of the doubt for that one playoff series, CP3 has consistently won and elevated his teams no matter where he went.


What did they do in the playoffs which is what I mentioned. That clippers team was stacked.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1846 » by BK_2020 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:52 pm

The Clippers team that lost to the Grizz were by no means stacked. You had CP3 and then a 23 year old Blake Griffin. Other than those two it was a bunch of washed up dudes like Jamal Crawford, Chauncey Billups, Odom and Caron Butler playing big roles.
In the end, they overachieved to win 56 games and ultimately got "upset" by a 56 win team that had Marc Gasol, Conley, Rudy Gay, and Zach Randolph.
The only time CP3's Clippers lost in the playoffs to a team that had a worse record than them was against the Blazers. CP3 and Griffin were injured and the Clippers were starting Austin Rivers and Paul Pierce by the series's end.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1847 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:56 pm

CP3 isn't available, is he?

Maybe if Tatum and Brown both go into covid protocol along with Schroder we'll see a week of team basketball.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1848 » by BK_2020 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:07 pm

Wanamaker is available.
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Post#1849 » by GoGreen » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:10 pm

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GoGreen wrote:Celtics have an assets problem. All these dudes avbl, but what do we have that teams want outside of the jays? A lot of meh..


our draft picks???


If a team only wants picks, yea sure. But how valuable will they be? When you got the Jays and trade for a Dejounte Murray for example, I think the Spurs would want something more, like quality blue chippers
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Post#1850 » by Andrew McCeltic » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 pm

We don't have a great hand to play, a big upgrade is going to take some luck.. Langford and Nesmith could accrue value, but only if we move off JRich and they show up this year. Would take a team desperate to unload a gamble guy (like Dallas getting Porzingis, if Porzingis had worked out).. or a multi-team deal where Romeo/Nesmith/picks and/or Horford/Josh/Schroeder have situational value to one party.

Best bet imo is to try for a pick-up like DAR for Brooklyn or Fultz for Orlando.. some disappointing young player who starts putting it together a little here.. Cam Reddish, Coby White, Horton-Tucker, even Bagley or Mo Bamba (both you could probably play with Rob)..
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1851 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:59 pm

BK_2020 wrote:The Clippers team that lost to the Grizz were by no means stacked. You had CP3 and then a 23 year old Blake Griffin. Other than those two it was a bunch of washed up dudes like Jamal Crawford, Chauncey Billups, Odom and Caron Butler playing big roles.
In the end, they overachieved to win 56 games and ultimately got "upset" by a 56 win team that had Marc Gasol, Conley, Rudy Gay, and Zach Randolph.
The only time CP3's Clippers lost in the playoffs to a team that had a worse record than them was against the Blazers. CP3 and Griffin were injured and the Clippers were starting Austin Rivers and Paul Pierce by the series's end.



old guys is what you win with. JJ Redick and DJ (when he was still good).

injuries never help, blake was always hurt. Still, I may not remember much but I definitely remember CP3 being mocked for "choking" in playoff series.

I would love him here but cp3 wasn't winning when he was as young as the jays, which was the point. Mind you ROOKIE TATUM, 2nd year and first season with real mins JB, Smart, CELTICS TERRY ROZIER and AL achieved more than CP3 teams. Young players and teams are RARELY ready to win!
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1852 » by cl2117 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:32 am

Larry_Russell wrote:I comment on size of a trade and then come up with this play on the same deal....


Horford and schroder to clippers.
They really help xlippers chances

Schroder
Kennard
Kawhi
George
Horford


Bledsoe, romeo, cash to cover bledsoes salary jext season.( only 4 mill guaranteed next season) 1st from boston to detroit.
Adds youth and continues the tank/youth.


Boston improves. Center is a bit weak but Ibaka wil toughen this team up . Also get below tax.

Smart/pritchard
Brown/richardon/boston
Grant/nesmith
Tatum/grantw/parker/juancho
Timelord/ibaka/freedon

Another iteration:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y65sgp73

Pistons get a pair of firsts (2022 and 2024) from C's and we send 2nds to Houston.

If I'm not mistaken we duck the tax after this as well.

We've got Yam coming over and possibly Begarin next year as well, so losing the 2022 pick isn't a big deal. Basically ends up being 2024 first for Grant and that's a steal and a half.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1853 » by chrisab123 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:06 am

Curmudgeon wrote:CP3 isn't available, is he?

Maybe if Tatum and Brown both go into covid protocol along with Schroder we'll see a week of team basketball.


The 2014-2015 Celtics were full of team basketball. I suggest watching those highlights if you want to see what this team is like without star players.
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Post#1854 » by Patsfan1081 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:31 am

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GoGreen wrote:Celtics have an assets problem. All these dudes avbl, but what do we have that teams want outside of the jays? A lot of meh..


our draft picks???


If a team only wants picks, yea sure. But how valuable will they be? When you got the Jays and trade for a Dejounte Murray for example, I think the Spurs would want something more, like quality blue chippers


Most teams have their picks too. None of our young guys have developed any value, whichis amazing with how many picks Danny kept and used. Two late lottery picks with absolutely no value.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1855 » by playa-hater » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:57 am

*** IF *** we can use a top 8/10 protected draft pick, I would love to trade our 1st for Cam Reddish..anyone see what he did tonight. 33 points but shot 8 for 13 from 3.. he has shot well for a while, but I love his overall size/athleticism and shooting.. Just giving up a mid first rder is better than getting another mid first that won't play much/at all next year.

This team needs a talent upgrade whenever they can get it. Of course this would be better if our coach used the principals I like in a lineup. Skillful switchable wings.

RW at center with Tatum-Reddish at forwards and Brown and Smart at PG..

Stevens needs to do something.. This is a good start at least IMO.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1856 » by playa-hater » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:11 am

following up my post. Schroder + top 10 protected 1st for Cam Reddish.. win win IMO.
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Post#1857 » by jfs1000d » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:29 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Tim Legler of ESPN said the Celts will always be in the hunt because of the Jays.

The problem is the Celts don't have a playmaker, according to Legler.

So if Brad can upgrade the PG position, that allows Marcus Smart to return to the role of SG/PG.
For 2 seasons now it's very clear that Smart is not a real PG.
Yes, Smart makes great passes, but that doesn't mean he can run an offense.

Letting the Jays run the offense doesn't work.

What the Celts need is a real floor general.

After the PG position, Brad should add another shooter.

The question is can Brad make upgrades this season or do we have to wait until the summer of 2022?


How many floor generals are out there and even possibly available?? I like Dejounte Murray, but at what price.. Hali is my top choice, but at what price? There aren't any CP3s out there??

Cough Ben Simmons. Dude value is low and it is a risk, but he would ignite this offense and team.

We have no playmaker on the team. No one to control the tempo.


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Post#1858 » by C-West » Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:08 am

I was at the Kings/Grizzlies game yesterday. Desmond Bane was a big miss for us. He is a lot of what we need. He is tough, confident, unselfish, and a good shooter. He is not tall - he is shorter than Buddy Hield - but he is build like a brick. I wish we would have kept him.
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Post#1859 » by ddb » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:44 pm

C-West wrote:I was at the Kings/Grizzlies game yesterday. Desmond Bane was a big miss for us. He is a lot of what we need. He is tough, confident, unselfish, and a good shooter. He is not tall - he is shorter than Buddy Hield - but he is build like a brick. I wish we would have kept him.


Yes. Bigtime miss. But you can make the argument that he probably wouldn't have had much of an opportunity to play and show what he can do in Boston.
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Re: The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread 

Post#1860 » by BK_2020 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:08 pm

Need to tear it down to Tatum and maybe Grant, Langford and Nesmith, and acquire assets. Shoot for Beal in the off season. This team is going nowhere.

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