Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24

Tyakack · Post #1841 » by **Tyakack** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:33 pm

Dame to miami seems inevitable......great.

CelticsPride18 · Post #1842 » by **CelticsPride18** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:33 pm

Dogen wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:Have people looked at Lillard’s playoff stats other than his last postseason run (of only 6 games)? I mean I know we are harsh on our guys and all, but grass isn’t always greener. I’m weary of a dude who could barely crack 40% FG (54-55% TS) and had less than a 2/1 A:TO ratio. He took 20 shots to score 24. He’s has had one good postseason, tbh, in 8 seasons.

I'm concerned about giving up two good players and a butt load of picks for a guy who is 6'2", 33 years old and has a massive ballooning contract for the next few years.

I like Dame and I get the 2024 or bust and stop Miami at any cost narratives, but defense isn't his calling card, and what if his athleticism declines just an iota -- will that mean that in the east he'll be hunted on that end? Yes, this is not Kemba we're talking about but we've found that the small PG has not been a good fit for the Celtics.

Put that midget in Pnr actions all night long

Post #1843 » by **darrendaye** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:33 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:IDC what is done, I just like action!

That's what she said, oh wait, that's what she said.....

KamikazeK · Post #1844 » by **KamikazeK** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:35 pm

Tyakack wrote:Dame to miami seems inevitable......great.

Maybe Tatum and Brown will finally get the hint that you can't go blowing winnable series against inferior teams because then they stop being inferior and what are you gonna do now? I just hope it's not too late.

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #1845 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:35 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:Have people looked at Lillard’s playoff stats other than his last postseason run (of only 6 games)? I mean I know we are harsh on our guys and all, but grass isn’t always greener. I’m weary of a dude who could barely crack 40% FG (54-55% TS) and had less than a 2/1 A:TO ratio. He took 20 shots to score 24. He’s has had one good postseason, tbh, in 8 seasons.

As a reference point, the Miami Heat TS% in the ECF:
Highsmith 77.3
Martin 73.8 :nonono:

Robinson 71.2 :nonono:

Vincent 65.0 :nonono:

Strus 56.0
Love 54.3
Adebayo 53.8
Butler 51.8
Yes I'm still salty about the Heat role players all getting the hot streak of their lives at the same time.

ajones9219 · Post #1846 » by **ajones9219** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:36 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
They don't? Dame clearly picked Miami and Brooklyn because....I get Miami if you're trying to win but Brooklyn makes no friggin sense under that logic unless if you're trying to be seen.

And am I wrong? The Celtics biggest FA signings of all time are Horford Kemba and Hayward. Brooklyn gets whoever, Miami gets whoever and Lakers get whoever. Trade market is different but as far as FAs go its a different world.

Celtics have signed Kemba, Hayward, Horford, and KP specially asked to come here, along with Kyrie wanting to come here.

Literally what free agents have LA/Miami signed that compare the past 5/6 years?

Lebron to LA and Butler to Miami? We've pulled more big time players in the FA market.

Hell we even have an apples to apples comparison. Hayward was recruited by us and Miami and chose us...why? Because of Brad....proving my point that personal relationships are more important today than location, and we still had a hobbled IT on the roster at the time.

Are you really trying to make a case that we've pulled bigger FA's than LeBron or Butler?

Anyways...the truth is unless the Celtics move they won't have a shot at the Butlers and LeBrons of the world because of a number of things that other markets have. Also the reputation of the city is dirt in the league. I hate Kyrie and LeBron but they probably speak for a lot of the players about the city.

In aggregate yes. We have pulled bigger FAs than Miami and LA the past 5-7 years. That is just a fact.

Every year we have had cap space we have signed either the biggest or second biggest FA available. This notion that FAs don't choose Boston is just tired and absurd.

GoGreen · Post #1847 » by **GoGreen** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:37 pm

Meh let him go to Miami. If Cs want the easy road they're not winning it anyway!

Post #1848 » by **darrendaye** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:38 pm

Gonna be stressing Grant, not likely going to have clarity until closer to the 6th though with the threat of modifications of deals agreed to in principal throughout the league until then

Fencer reregistered · Post #1849 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:39 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
They don't? Dame clearly picked Miami and Brooklyn because....I get Miami if you're trying to win but Brooklyn makes no friggin sense under that logic unless if you're trying to be seen.

And am I wrong? The Celtics biggest FA signings of all time are Horford Kemba and Hayward. Brooklyn gets whoever, Miami gets whoever and Lakers get whoever. Trade market is different but as far as FAs go its a different world.

Celtics have signed Kemba, Hayward, Horford, and KP specially asked to come here, along with Kyrie wanting to come here.

Literally what free agents have LA/Miami signed that compare the past 5/6 years?

Lebron to LA and Butler to Miami? We've pulled more big time players in the FA market.

Hell we even have an apples to apples comparison. Hayward was recruited by us and Miami and chose us...why? Because of Brad....proving my point that personal relationships are more important today than location, and we still had a hobbled IT on the roster at the time.

Are you really trying to make a case that we've pulled bigger FA's than LeBron or Butler?

Anyways...the truth is unless the Celtics move they won't have a shot at the Butlers and LeBrons of the world because of a number of things that other markets have. Also the reputation of the city is dirt in the league. I hate Kyrie and LeBron but they probably speak for a lot of the players about the city.

3 cities with a total of 5 teams in them do seem to have an advantage, except it's never really been true about more than 4 of the teams at once. (Knicks have been hapless since before the Nets moved to Brooklyn.)

The Celtics' ability to attract vets actually seems to be among the best of the rest.

Dogen · Post #1850 » by **Dogen** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:42 pm

GoGreen wrote:Meh let him go to Miami. If Cs want the easy road they're not winning it anyway!

Pretty much this. The real next step is for Brad to add some role players that Joe can actually put on the floor, and for JT, KP and especially JB, to take that next step. Jaylen can watch tape of Butler's game.

ajones9219 · Post #1851 » by **ajones9219** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:42 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Celtics have signed Kemba, Hayward, Horford, and KP specially asked to come here, along with Kyrie wanting to come here.

Literally what free agents have LA/Miami signed that compare the past 5/6 years?

Lebron to LA and Butler to Miami? We've pulled more big time players in the FA market.

Hell we even have an apples to apples comparison. Hayward was recruited by us and Miami and chose us...why? Because of Brad....proving my point that personal relationships are more important today than location, and we still had a hobbled IT on the roster at the time.

Are you really trying to make a case that we've pulled bigger FA's than LeBron or Butler?

Anyways...the truth is unless the Celtics move they won't have a shot at the Butlers and LeBrons of the world because of a number of things that other markets have. Also the reputation of the city is dirt in the league. I hate Kyrie and LeBron but they probably speak for a lot of the players about the city.

3 cities with a total of 5 teams in them do seem to have an advantage, except it's never really been true about more than 4 of the teams at once. (Knicks have been hapless since before the Nets moved to Brooklyn.)

The Celtics' ability to attract vets actually seems to be among the best of the rest.

Hell the Nets just lucked into having Kyrie being from the area and KD wanting to team up. They have done absolute nothing other than that for a while.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1852 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:44 pm

Dame to the Cavs!!

Damian Jones.

Larry_Russell · Post #1853 » by **Larry_Russell** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:44 pm

I honestly think

Dame
Butler
Bam

Is absolutely superior to
Tatum
Brown
KP.

Add in spo and its game over.

I dont think the celtics beat them in a playoff series.

Brown doesnt make tatum or anyone else better whereas that miami trio all can play off each other.

ThePigeon · Post #1854 » by **ThePigeon** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:47 pm

SLCceltic wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
Wtf are they talking about.

That's what a coach is for.

Hire a real **** coach for that ****.

Go sign players with talent so we can win a ring.

Denver didn't have any loud mouths on there entire team..but they played together..

We do need an enforcer or 3
After smart the most vocal on court player is Grant, after Grant, Horford maybe ??
YES we need a couple tough guys, not loud mouths

kP and Jays is the most polite big 3 in NBA history

Last thing we need is another vocal whiner to make the refs angry
Be polite, shut your mouth and play ball
Denver is a good example where the most vocal person on the team was the coach

Post #1855 » by **Darthlukey** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:48 pm

Am I missing something or is the Grant deal the most moronic thing ever now that dame wants out?

captain green · Post #1856 » by **captain green** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:49 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Get Pat Beverly Sajak...

Read on Twitter

Well we can't use the mle. can't sign grant(can't) straight up. trading Brogdon is pretty much dead in the water. Haven't signed brown yet. And yes the tweet is right but there is no one else left for the vet minimum that fits what we need.
Looks like this is it, got to hope one of those summer league guys turns into a rotation player.
White,brown Tatum timelord unicorn starters
Pp, Brogdon, brissett, huaser,horford
JD? Champagnei, walsh, open roster spot , kornet
And probably two two ways instead of 3
Enjoy it because I'm not seeing anyone of value coming in. I also pretty much knew next season wasn't winning the ring when brad said we love Joe.
So I at least got that out of my system and not really caring what bucks and Miami do hopefully one of them takes each other out in playoffs and somehow we are healthy. West looks stacked especially the Lakers ( I hated typing that)

ThePigeon · Post #1857 » by **ThePigeon** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:49 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:I honestly think

Dame
Butler
Bam

Is absolutely superior to
Tatum
Brown
KP.

Add in spo and its game over.

I dont think the celtics beat them in a playoff series.

Brown doesnt make tatum or anyone else better whereas that miami trio all can play off each other.

They lost Struss and Vincent
We added KP that can break the zone with ease
It will be a walk in the park

KamikazeK · Post #1858 » by **KamikazeK** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:50 pm

ThePigeon wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:I honestly think

Dame
Butler
Bam

Is absolutely superior to
Tatum
Brown
KP.

Add in spo and its game over.

I dont think the celtics beat them in a playoff series.

Brown doesnt make tatum or anyone else better whereas that miami trio all can play off each other.

They lost Struss and Vincent
We added KP that can break the zone with ease
It will be a walk in the park

Those guys are scrubs who just played well over their heads. Replacing them with a guy like Dame is a crazy upgrade.

Bar Fight · Post #1859 » by **Bar Fight** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:52 pm

ThePigeon wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:I honestly think

Dame
Butler
Bam

Is absolutely superior to
Tatum
Brown
KP.

Add in spo and its game over.

I dont think the celtics beat them in a playoff series.

Brown doesnt make tatum or anyone else better whereas that miami trio all can play off each other.

They lost Struss and Vincent
We added KP that can break the zone with ease
It will be a walk in the park

There is no such thing as a walk in the park for these Celtics lol. They've proven that time and time again

Triple M · Post #1860 » by **Triple M** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 8:53 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:I honestly think

Dame
Butler
Bam

Is absolutely superior to
Tatum
Brown
KP.

Add in spo and its game over.

I dont think the celtics beat them in a playoff series.

Brown doesnt make tatum or anyone else better whereas that miami trio all can play off each other.

Yea they will have an advantage because its balanced but they are older. However, i think we are in the mix and winning in this league has more variance to it than previous eras.