Around the NBA (and other Sports), 2024-25

[phincsfan]

Not possible because only Brooklyn has the cap space to give Jimmy the max and he does not fit Brooklyn's roster timeline.

So unless Denver will give up MPJ and Nnaji and Miami agree to trade, Jimmy will most likely finish his career in Miami.

Miami will be stuck with Jimmy and Herro and they know it

True.

But if Pat Riley believes the Heat are going nowhere maybe he will be open to the idea of trading Butler to the Spurs for a package centered on Keldon Johnson and Harrison Barnes.

If Denver gets Butler then the Nuggets will be legit again.

Guess that will depend on what Pat Riley believes.

I think he's washed and won't make it to the playoffs.

I also think Denver would definitely want picks and Miami would definitely want picks and neither of them I don't believe have any.

[ConstableGeneva]

Mo Wagner has season-ending ACL injury per Shams. Rough for Orlando who we play tomorrow. Heal well, Mo.

[Parliament10]

Mo Wagner has season-ending ACL injury per Shams. Rough for Orlando who we play tomorrow. Heal well, Mo.

Yeah, his reaction made me think that it was season-ending. Too bad for the guy.

[ConstableGeneva]

Thunder and Celtics are the only two teams who are top 10 in net rating in every quarter.



via: Dan Favale on BlueSky

[Fierce1]

Denver defense not good.

Almost lost to the Pels.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Casual fans gonna casual. And complain and whine. They're lazy and want to stay uneducated about the game. BTW, I'm headed towards being a casual fan too, if I'm not there yet. All I follow now is the Celtics. But I don't complain about the state of the NBA or how it's "unwatchable" or how "every team plays the same" or how "there's too many threes." Don't like it? Don't watch it.

[ConstableGeneva]

Defensive Metrics for the MVP candidates (via @HPBasketball):

[Fierce1]

Steph and the Warriors couldn't keep up with the Indy .500.

Nite, nite!

[Shak_Celts]

I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there, at least one.

We did keep our core together and let them build, but there wasn’t one season, after finding out what the Jays had (JT rook and JB 2nd season), where they didn’t try to bring in an excellent player. Injuries said try lotto, not me, but they definitely kept bringing in the big guns.

Spurs did a lil something this offseason with CP3 and Barnes, but Celtics weren’t bringing in guys who weren’t doing big things on their teams the season prior. No disrespect, but CP3 isn’t even OKC CP3 and Barnes only averaged 12pts per last season, he hasn’t had over 16 since he played a half season w/ Dallas in 18-19. They are okay players, but I need them to try for star players NOW!

I typed this out, but now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t even know who they could get. I see people saying Fox, but I wonder what they’d have to give up. That may dig into what I think their core is, which is Wemby, Vassell, and Castle. I would add Sochan too, but I don’t think people rate him as I do.

I don’t know what it would take to get Fox, but I’d do it if I had the chance. You see what a CP3 can do with Wemby. Imagine Fox consistently getting into the paint or getting the ball to Wemby, that’s going to be nice. It will be Lob City and less threes for Wemby. It looks like CP3 can’t get inside enough to give the looks Wemby could use, often. Maybe he can and they’re choosing mid range for CP3 and letting wemby pop for three? I don’t know.

I don’t even have any idea of guys that will be coming up in the next two seasons that they should wait for either. I’m in here thinking about all the teams, but it feels like everybody has locked their young stars up. I don’t want them to get anybody who can’t last a few seasons either.

[Fierce1]

An aging Lebron and the Fake Show couldn't generate enough horsepower to overcome Detroit basketball.

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I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there, at least one.

We did keep our core together and let them build, but there wasn’t one season, after finding out what the Jays had (JT rook and JB 2nd season), where they didn’t try to bring in an excellent player. Injuries said try lotto, not me, but they definitely kept bringing in the big guns.

Spurs did a lil something this offseason with CP3 and Barnes, but Celtics weren’t bringing in guys who weren’t doing big things on their teams the season prior. No disrespect, but CP3 isn’t even OKC CP3 and Barnes only averaged 12pts per last season, he hasn’t had over 16 since he played a half season w/ Dallas in 18-19. They are okay players, but I need them to try for star players NOW!

I typed this out, but now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t even know who they could get. I see people saying Fox, but I wonder what they’d have to give up. That may dig into what I think their core is, which is Wemby, Vassell, and Castle. I would add Sochan too, but I don’t think people rate him as I do.

I don’t know what it would take to get Fox, but I’d do it if I had the chance. You see what a CP3 can do with Wemby. Imagine Fox consistently getting into the paint or getting the ball to Wemby, that’s going to be nice. It will be Lob City and less threes for Wemby. It looks like CP3 can’t get inside enough to give the looks Wemby could use, often. Maybe he can and they’re choosing mid range for CP3 and letting wemby pop for three? I don’t know.

I don’t even have any idea of guys that will be coming up in the next two seasons that they should wait for either. I’m in here thinking about all the teams, but it feels like everybody has locked their young stars up. I don’t want them to get anybody who can’t last a few seasons either.

The Celtics stripped the core down to simply the two Jays, who were only a year apart in age. I don't see how that's a model for what you're suggesting.

Also, who do you see as recent dynasties? Golden State? San Antonio? In both cases the core was entirely drafted by the team. Shaq/Kobe Lakers can be seen as an exception, however; Laker cores tend to consist of perimeter players they drafted plus a center who wants to live in Los Angeles.

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I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there.

Spurs created three iterations of title teams with Timmie, first TD+ the 90s vets like Avery and DRob. Following this they rolled out the prime TD wrecking crew with Tony and Manu. And they retooled a third time to rereach the Finals twice with a prime Tony, old TD, old Manu and a young cast of preprime Kawhi, Danny Green, Patty Mills, Splitter, etc.

I don’t see why they can’t try to build a competitive team now, why wait. They’ll still be able to add pieces for when Victor is 27, but Spurs got 3 eras out of the Duncan run. They should go for a first era right now, Pop is old and the team is ready to make a move, imo

[Fierce1]

A good start for the Spurs would be to offer a package centered around Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson to Miami for Jimmy.

Spurs can sweeten the deal with draft picks.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

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Run guy over. Check.
Get mad about getting called for running guy over. Check.
Get a technical for going after the ref who made the call. Check.
Get even more mad about getting a technical. Check.
Pursue the ref that's trying to move away from him and de-escalate the situation. Check.
Get a second technical. Check.
Get even more mad and have to be restrained by his teammates/coaches. Check.
Just another monday at the Embiid school of leadership.

[165bows]

I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there.

Spurs created three iterations of title teams with Timmie, first TD+ the 90s vets like Avery and DRob. Following this they rolled out the prime TD wrecking crew with Tony and Manu. And they retooled a third time to rereach the Finals twice with a prime Tony, old TD, old Manu and a young cast of preprime Kawhi, Danny Green, Patty Mills, Splitter, etc.

I don’t see why they can’t try to build a competitive team now, why wait. They’ll still be able to add pieces for when Victor is 27, but Spurs got 3 eras out of the Duncan run. They should go for a first era right now, Pop is old and the team is ready to make a move, imo

Spending $80M on Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Harrison Barnes and Zach Collins isn’t a great place to start compared to those teams.

[phincsfan]

I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there.

Spurs created three iterations of title teams with Timmie, first TD+ the 90s vets like Avery and DRob. Following this they rolled out the prime TD wrecking crew with Tony and Manu. And they retooled a third time to rereach the Finals twice with a prime Tony, old TD, old Manu and a young cast of preprime Kawhi, Danny Green, Patty Mills, Splitter, etc.

I don’t see why they can’t try to build a competitive team now, why wait. They’ll still be able to add pieces for when Victor is 27, but Spurs got 3 eras out of the Duncan run. They should go for a first era right now, Pop is old and the team is ready to make a move, imo

Spending $80M on Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Harrison Barnes and Zach Collins isn’t a great place to start compared to those teams.

I can't fault them for giving Johnson and Vassel contracts because that's all they had before Wemby.

I'm rooting for Wemby and there's no rush because he's so young. A .500 season and MAYBE the playoffs after missing out for the last 5 years would be a home run for that team. They'll have cap space next year, maybe they can move one of Barnes or Collins to free up more. Texas is a great state to play in so they'll have no problem finding vets who want to play there and with Wemby.

I'm not saying you're comparing the Spurs situation with the C's, but they're totally different. Having two top 3 picks in back to back drafts that the GM hit on is an anomaly that may never happen again.

[canman1971]

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Run guy over. Check.
Get mad about getting called for running guy over. Check.
Get a technical for going after the ref who made the call. Check.
Get even more mad about getting a technical. Check.
Pursue the ref that's trying to move away from him and de-escalate the situation. Check.
Get a second technical. Check.
Get even more mad and have to be restrained by his teammates/coaches. Check.
Just another monday at the Embiid school of leadership.

He's a child. Everything that has always been wrong with the NBA. Thankfully, there are many more professionals to somewhat hide it. And that's why he will never be a winner.

[Celts17Pride]

A good start for the Spurs would be to offer a package centered around Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson to Miami for Jimmy.

Spurs can sweeten the deal with draft picks.

Why the heck do the Spurs want Jimmy Butler? Spurs have a 20 year old superstar, that last thing they should be doing is giving up assets for a 35 year old borderline all-star.

[Shak_Celts]

I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there, at least one.

We did keep our core together and let them build, but there wasn’t one season, after finding out what the Jays had (JT rook and JB 2nd season), where they didn’t try to bring in an excellent player. Injuries said try lotto, not me, but they definitely kept bringing in the big guns.

Spurs did a lil something this offseason with CP3 and Barnes, but Celtics weren’t bringing in guys who weren’t doing big things on their teams the season prior. No disrespect, but CP3 isn’t even OKC CP3 and Barnes only averaged 12pts per last season, he hasn’t had over 16 since he played a half season w/ Dallas in 18-19. They are okay players, but I need them to try for star players NOW!

I typed this out, but now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t even know who they could get. I see people saying Fox, but I wonder what they’d have to give up. That may dig into what I think their core is, which is Wemby, Vassell, and Castle. I would add Sochan too, but I don’t think people rate him as I do.

I don’t know what it would take to get Fox, but I’d do it if I had the chance. You see what a CP3 can do with Wemby. Imagine Fox consistently getting into the paint or getting the ball to Wemby, that’s going to be nice. It will be Lob City and less threes for Wemby. It looks like CP3 can’t get inside enough to give the looks Wemby could use, often. Maybe he can and they’re choosing mid range for CP3 and letting wemby pop for three? I don’t know.

I don’t even have any idea of guys that will be coming up in the next two seasons that they should wait for either. I’m in here thinking about all the teams, but it feels like everybody has locked their young stars up. I don’t want them to get anybody who can’t last a few seasons either.

The Celtics stripped the core down to simply the two Jays, who were only a year apart in age. I don't see how that's a model for what you're suggesting.

Also, who do you see as recent dynasties? Golden State? San Antonio? In both cases the core was entirely drafted by the team. Shaq/Kobe Lakers can be seen as an exception, however; Laker cores tend to consist of perimeter players they drafted plus a center who wants to live in Los Angeles.

Celtics literally kept their core, which I said. They let them grow. They recently gave up Smart after years of letting them grow together. I know they kept sending out the others, which I also said, they kept going after the big guns but injuries derailed it every time… until last season. I don’t get what you’re asking, I said I want them to keep their core together like we did! I wanted to add Sochan to their core but I feel like I’d be pushing it. That’s why I asked what it would take to get Fox and was hoping they had something that could work other than those core guys I mentioned.

[165bows]

Spurs created three iterations of title teams with Timmie, first TD+ the 90s vets like Avery and DRob. Following this they rolled out the prime TD wrecking crew with Tony and Manu. And they retooled a third time to rereach the Finals twice with a prime Tony, old TD, old Manu and a young cast of preprime Kawhi, Danny Green, Patty Mills, Splitter, etc.

I don’t see why they can’t try to build a competitive team now, why wait. They’ll still be able to add pieces for when Victor is 27, but Spurs got 3 eras out of the Duncan run. They should go for a first era right now, Pop is old and the team is ready to make a move, imo

Spending $80M on Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Harrison Barnes and Zach Collins isn’t a great place to start compared to those teams.

I can't fault them for giving Johnson and Vassel contracts because that's all they had before Wemby.

I'm rooting for Wemby and there's no rush because he's so young. A .500 season and MAYBE the playoffs after missing out for the last 5 years would be a home run for that team. They'll have cap space next year, maybe they can move one of Barnes or Collins to free up more. Texas is a great state to play in so they'll have no problem finding vets who want to play there and with Wemby.

I'm not saying you're comparing the Spurs situation with the C's, but they're totally different. Having two top 3 picks in back to back drafts that the GM hit on is an anomaly that may never happen again.

More just saying the Duncan Spurs not only already had the Admiral but the post Duncan collection of talent hitting in Parker/Manu was one of the great talent accumulations in the annals of the league.

Tough to replicate that kind of talent at any point of the draft let alone at the back end.