Trade Ideas Thread

Mack Lundquist · Post #1861 » by **Mack Lundquist** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:08 pm

Let's make the playoffs and hang a banner to celebrate. We already won titles. 17 of them. Been there. Done that. That stuff is for losers. The 8th slot in the EC is much cooler than another title. This is almost as much fun at 2004. Man, weren't the playoffs a hoot then! I'm just putting that out there dawgs.

jfs1000d · Post #1862 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:03 pm

Mack Lundquist wrote:Let's make the playoffs and hang a banner to celebrate. We already won titles. 17 of them. Been there. Done that. That stuff is for losers. The 8th slot in the EC is much cooler than another title. This is almost as much fun at 2004. Man, weren't the playoffs a hoot then! I'm just putting that out there dawgs.

You have to come to the realization we may never win a title for decades. It's hard to win a title. You have to hit it just right.

I want our team to be competitive and continue building. before this season, I'm sure many thought the Hawks weren't a title threat (may not be anyway) and thus, it would be stupid for them to not tank.

Same thing for Wizards. No one thinks they are going to win the NBA title. So, what do you do? Trade your players and tank?

So many people want it to be easy -- such as getting Tim Dunacn and immediately becoming a title threat. In reality, even teams that turn out to be great take time. You have to develop your guys and see where you are at and take a shot at it.

I want to get to .500 first before I can get excited about playoffs, but, there is a ton of value in a very young team, which we are, competing for a playoff spot over the disaster that is the Knicks and Sixers. We have developed a competitive culture and while we are losing, have a ton of draft picks, assets, good salaries and good young players to work with.

That makes winning easier than just tanking, not developing and not trying to establish a winning culture. I don't want any players on our team to think losing is OK.

Post #1863 » by **165bows** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:38 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mk33jpa

Elrod is Back · Post #1864 » by **Elrod is Back** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:47 am

who gives us a no.2 pick in this deal?

Post #1865 » by **165bows** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:13 am

Elrod is Back wrote:who gives us a no.2 pick in this deal?

I figured a six pack of 'em. Two from each team. :lol:

BakersDozen · Post #1866 » by **BakersDozen** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:15 am

why would the clippers do that trade?

Post #1867 » by **165bows** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:56 pm

BakersDozen wrote:why would the clippers do that trade?

Well, I'm not sure they would. But they've been rumored to be interested in Prnce, but as you alluded to don't really have the outgoing salaries.

Matt Barnes pulled an abdominal muscle so he may be out. If he is they are relying on Turkoglu at the SF slot which is a tough way to go. Maybe swap out Crawford for Barnes if he is going to miss significant time.

At any rate, you are right, very difficult for LAC to trade for Prince.

soxfan2003 · Post #1868 » by **soxfan2003** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:47 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
Mack Lundquist wrote:Let's make the playoffs and hang a banner to celebrate. We already won titles. 17 of them. Been there. Done that. That stuff is for losers. The 8th slot in the EC is much cooler than another title. This is almost as much fun at 2004. Man, weren't the playoffs a hoot then! I'm just putting that out there dawgs.

You have to come to the realization we may never win a title for decades. It's hard to win a title. You have to hit it just right.

I want our team to be competitive and continue building. before this season, I'm sure many thought the Hawks weren't a title threat (may not be anyway) and thus, it would be stupid for them to not tank.

Same thing for Wizards. No one thinks they are going to win the NBA title. So, what do you do? Trade your players and tank?
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Atlanta was a playoff team last year without even having their best player(Hortford, a former #3 pick in the draft) and they took Indiana to 7 games. In an average/perhaps modestly below average draft like 2015 in the top 1-5 of the lottery, I would never recommend such a team like the Hawks tank especially because for various reasons I do not think Atlanta's players had tons of trade value. The Hawks having the best record in the EC has surprised me but Atlanta having a top 3 record in the EC certainly hasn't. While the Hawks have more staying power since they are a little younger, I equate the Hawks chances entering this season as just as good as the 2011-12 Celtics and I never recommended the Celtics blow up that 2011-12 team even though I was 100% convinced that Anthony Davis was a franchise player worth tanking for and Miami/Chicago were better bets in the EC than Boston. But the Celtics prospects changed a lot in a year and that is why I advocated tanking after the 2013 season and the Celtics trading PP/KG/Rondo et cetera.

Although given their chosen direction, I approved of the Pierce signing, I question what the Wizards were doing last season in NOT tanking one more year to see if they could get a player like Wiggins who I projected to be better than Wall or another top 5 pick. Why rush things with Wall already signed? Washington seems to either be ok with being a strong pretender to win a championship or putting all of their eggs in the Kevin Durant basket.

Washington also arguably has the best shot at Kevin Durant if he decides to leave OKC so basically Durant is how Washington makes the leap from being a top 10 NBA team to a top 3. If the Celtics want Kevin Durant, the Celtics will have to take a different approach. Frankly I think Ainge has lowered whatever chance the Celtics had to get Durant by not tanking harder for Andrew Wiggins. Wiggins/Smart on the same team with lots of picks and other lottery pick might attract someone like an aging Durant to at least consider Boston especially if Washington does not look that promising after the 2015-16 season. 35 wins this year and perhaps 40 next year without compelling high end talent with lots of promise probably won't be good enough for Durant to put up with the snow/cold in Boston. Boston not only has to look better intermediate to long term than OKC but also much better than Washington with Wall/Beal.

I want the Celtics to build the right way and be aggressive with tanking when it makes sense. It made sense last year to heavily tank and Ainge/Stevens did a half-hearted job at it.

This year it makes less sense than last year to tank hard but there isn't much sense in making the playoffs as an 8th seed while relying upon key contributions from Prince, Bass and perhaps even Wallace.

The avenue to take this year is to try to sell off additional assets for full value or perhaps more than full value right before the trading deadline to teams trying to win a championship but that also have the possibility of imploding in the future.

BakersDozen · Post #1869 » by **BakersDozen** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:25 pm

165bows wrote:
BakersDozen wrote:why would the clippers do that trade?

Well, I'm not sure they would. But they've been rumored to be interested in Prnce, but as you alluded to don't really have the outgoing salaries.

Matt Barnes pulled an abdominal muscle so he may be out. If he is they are relying on Turkoglu at the SF slot which is a tough way to go. Maybe swap out Crawford for Barnes if he is going to miss significant time.

At any rate, you are right, very difficult for LAC to trade for Prince.

Im not even talking about finding a way for contracts to match up. I just see Crawford as way too important of a player to trade away for Prince. You did mention Barnes but I just picture him as being toxic in our locker room. On the other hand it sounds like Brad would love to have Tayshaun stick around. Only way DA trades Prince for Barnes is if we get some kind of pick back. Then we would just waive bye bye to Barnes.

Patsfan1081 · Post #1870 » by **Patsfan1081** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:26 am

After the seasons over GS will have to pay Green and might move Harrison Barnes. KO and the Cavs 2016 pick for Barnes? Barnes is shooting at a good clip, but won't get enough touches playing with GS, I think looking for a young guy with potential to develope into a star is the way to go.

rickrolled · Post #1871 » by **rickrolled** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:45 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/561213569426284545[/tweet]
I wonder if we can involve a 3rd team that can take Martin, and if Minnesota takes Bradley.

MIN gets: Bradley, Snell

BOS gets: Mo Williams, Dunleavy

CHI gets: Martin

Chicago gets their coveted Martin for a draft pick (protected) to MIN.

Min gets their future backcourt in Lavine,Bradley. And a pick.

Celtics get out from Bradleys contract in earnest. (If we can convince MIN Bradley is the pick maybe we can get the CHI pick instead of MIN because they're getting Bradley and Martin is growing old, Williams isn't young either.

blac3765 · Post #1872 » by **blac3765** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:28 pm

rickrolled wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/561213569426284545[/tweet]
I wonder if we can involve a 3rd team that can take Martin, and if Minnesota takes Bradley.

MIN gets: Bradley, Snell

BOS gets: Mo Williams, Dunleavy

CHI gets: Martin

Chicago gets their coveted Martin for a draft pick (protected) to MIN.

Min gets their future backcourt in Lavine,Bradley. And a pick.

Celtics get out from Bradleys contract in earnest. (If we can convince MIN Bradley is the pick maybe we can get the CHI pick instead of MIN because they're getting Bradley and Martin is growing old, Williams isn't young either.

Just to make sure I understand this, we are getting a 32 y/o Mo Williams (Averaging .435% on 2s and .338% on 3s with sub par D) and 34 y/o Mike Dunleavy (Averaging .490% on 2s and .417% on 3s with bad D) and we have to give up a 24 y/o Bradley (Averaging .463% on 2s and .356% on 3s with well above average D) and a DRAFT PICK?!?! Why would we ever do this?

I know that Bradley contract is high but geez it isn't that bad especially since he is young. Yes his passing and dribbling is physically painful to watch but I don't want older players who are basically the same or worse than Bradley is now.

I do agree that it is nice that both of them become FA after this year but we have enough money coming off the books that I don't see the value in giving up a pick and young player to get more.

rickrolled · Post #1873 » by **rickrolled** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:32 pm

^Chicago's giving up a pick to get Martin, not Boston.

blac3765 · Post #1874 » by **blac3765** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:34 pm

Okay that makes more sense. I was concerned for your well being if you thought that was a good trade. Are you that sick of Bradley already? I just think he can develop more and be a better 3 and D player.

12buckets · Post #1875 » by **12buckets** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:07 pm

I'm hoping we can get involved in a 3 or 4 teamer with our trade exceptions and package Bass or Prince with Mo to some team that needs bench depth at two positions, getting us a pick for our troubles. I think this could also be an opportunity for us to package a few small pieces to move up in the draft.

I posted a variation of this in the trade thresd...one of our TE and a second rounder or two to Minny, Prince and Mo to Detroit with the Clippers pick, Detroits expirings (Anthony and Jerebko) and detroits pick to Boston.

Minny gets cap relief and small assets, Detroit gets Vet Depth for their playoff run while keeping a first rounder, and boston gets to package some smaller assets to move up in the draft. I don't know how lottery protections would work with this type of deal though, and what happens if Detroit doesn't make the playoffs.

GreenMachine · Post #1876 » by **GreenMachine** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:55 pm

rickrolled wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/561213569426284545[/tweet]
I wonder if we can involve a 3rd team that can take Martin, and if Minnesota takes Bradley.

MIN gets: Bradley, Snell

BOS gets: Mo Williams, Dunleavy

CHI gets: Martin

Chicago gets their coveted Martin for a draft pick (protected) to MIN.

Min gets their future backcourt in Lavine,Bradley. And a pick.

Celtics get out from Bradleys contract in earnest. (If we can convince MIN Bradley is the pick maybe we can get the CHI pick instead of MIN because they're getting Bradley and Martin is growing old, Williams isn't young either.

That would necessitate Danny WANTING to get out of ABs contract. Which he doesn't. Just because people on this board don't like him, that doesn't mean Danny doesn't. The fact of the matter is AB would be a GREAT piece. Right now he is being asked to be one of our top guys... a role that doesn't suit him at all. He is being paid like a rotation guy and if that was the role he was being asked to play... he would be just fine.

humblebum · Post #1877 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:36 am

GreenMachine wrote:
rickrolled wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/561213569426284545[/tweet]
I wonder if we can involve a 3rd team that can take Martin, and if Minnesota takes Bradley.

MIN gets: Bradley, Snell

BOS gets: Mo Williams, Dunleavy

CHI gets: Martin

Chicago gets their coveted Martin for a draft pick (protected) to MIN.

Min gets their future backcourt in Lavine,Bradley. And a pick.

Celtics get out from Bradleys contract in earnest. (If we can convince MIN Bradley is the pick maybe we can get the CHI pick instead of MIN because they're getting Bradley and Martin is growing old, Williams isn't young either.

That would necessitate Danny WANTING to get out of ABs contract. Which he doesn't. Just because people on this board don't like him, that doesn't mean Danny doesn't. The fact of the matter is AB would be a GREAT piece. Right now he is being asked to be one of our top guys... a role that doesn't suit him at all. He is being paid like a rotation guy and if that was the role he was being asked to play... he would be just fine.

This, my friend, is what we call a losing battle. Spare yourself the time and aggravation trying to explain this concept to people.

TA42 · Post #1878 » by **TA42** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:41 pm

I don't know how it gets done but I want Cousins in Boston.

They can have anyone on the roster except Smart. Roll cap space over next year and then target a top tier free agent in 2016 to pair up with Boogie and Smart.

My ideal scenerio in 2016:

PG - Smart
SG - Bradley
SF - Durant
PF - Olynyk
C - Cousins

You'd have some nice inside out action and killer 3 & D in the backcourt.

GreenMachine · Post #1879 » by **GreenMachine** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:30 pm

TA42 wrote:I don't know how it gets done but I want Cousins in Boston.

They can have anyone on the roster except Smart. Roll cap space over next year and then target a top tier free agent in 2016 to pair up with Boogie and Smart.

My ideal scenerio in 2016:

PG - Smart
SG - Bradley
SF - Durant
PF - Olynyk
C - Cousins

You'd have some nice inside out action and killer 3 & D in the backcourt.

LOL. I want to win the lotto but it's not going to happen. And you think you can hold back Smart? If Cousins was available... and he IS NOT... the starting point would be Smart, Young, Sully, salary filler and 3 first round picks. And then it would go up from there.

Think about what the Wolves got for Love... and then think about this:
- Cousins is better then Love (by far since he actually plays on both ends)
- Cousins is younger then Love
- Cousins is signed up long term, Love was not
- Cousins has not declared he will only play of certain teams or demanded a trade like Love did

And you don't want to trade Smart for him. Hahahha. Good luck with that. You live in fantasy land. And let's not even get into the Durant discussion. Go back to playing NBA2K. :banghead:

TA42 · Post #1880 » by **TA42** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 3:56 am

Yes - Id like to keep Smart.

Let's say Boogie does become available. Believe it or not things do change for teams and occasionally disgruntled stars become available.....so humor me.

If Danny threw Sully, Young, Zeller and 2 of our picks and 2 of brooklyns picks Sacramento wouldn't at least listen? It wouldn't be enough to even have them consider it? Hell you could include this years pick too.

As far as Durant goes - prepare yourself because that's what Danny's positioning himself for. He wanted him when he was coming out and he fits the bill for what Danny's trying to do which is acquire star talent. Is he coming? Probably not....that's why it's my "ideal" scenario and not the "probable" scenario.

Thanks for sharing your view....I'm off to play 2K15.