Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

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i'm not saying you don't add, I'm just saying thats the only player in my mind that is worth relinquishing this pick for. I'm really not sure you guys have a good understanding of how valuable this particular pick is.

This isn't andrew friccin wiggins for love type #1 pick, this is of far far far far far far far far far far far greater value than anyone outside the NBA business circles can comprehend.

Well to each his own then. I'm not that high on Fultz like some of you over here.. Dont see big superstar potential in him.

i'm just not so sure you can say that considering he is doing things nobody else coming out of college has in decades

i dunno LBF; I'm certainly pumped about the pick but think you and some others might be getting a bit ahead of things here.

[Froob]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

He's worth more than Giannis?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

He's worth more than Giannis?

i think thats his benchmark, not sure GIannis has quite the same skills, but obv more athletic

[sarcasma]

so many of the things that Fultz does, you can't "practice" you can't "work on" you can't "get better at" they are things you either can or cannot do, and thats what separates superstars from stars and starters.

Give me some examples. Trust me, I want to keep him.

[sarcasma]

i'm not saying you don't add, I'm just saying thats the only player in my mind that is worth relinquishing this pick for. I'm really not sure you guys have a good understanding of how valuable this particular pick is.

This isn't andrew friccin wiggins for love type #1 pick, this is of far far far far far far far far far far far greater value than anyone outside the NBA business circles can comprehend.

Well to each his own then. I'm not that high on Fultz like some of you over here.. Dont see big superstar potential in him.

i'm just not so sure you can say that considering he is doing things nobody else coming out of college has in decades

He may have the best floater in the league RIGHT NOW....and hes not even in the league yet.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Bradley, Zeller, Crowder and Bkn 18 for George if he agrees to an extension right away.

Sign Griffin.

IT/Fultz
Brown/Smart
George/ Nader
Griffin/
Horford/Zizic

Assume we couldn't make that happen if we brought Olynyk back..but I'm willing to lose the guy to get that starting 5. Could maybe use some mle money or vet min on a couple guys like Nene or Paul Gasol. Maybe trade Rozier for a PF?

Reality is we need to open up playing time for Jaylen and Fultz. So what better way to do that than to turn the guys in front of them into 1 big time stud that will replace their production and open minutes for them in the rotation? Griffin might be far fetched..but if we pull a PG13 trade off on draft night I don't see a better situation for him. Worst case scenario we never get over the hump with that core but enter George's early 30's with Fultz and Brown as possible stars, Zizic and Yabu as possible solid starters, trade IT at the backend of his deal and let Horford expire.

Would be cool to assert ourselves as a top 3 team with a chance at a chip for the next 3 years while still developing multiple studs at home. It would be an opportunity to rule the NBA for 10+ years. From everything said by Wyc so far I can't imagine he wants it to play out in any other way.

Multiple years of George as a Celtic vs James in the ECF would be amazing.

[Andrew McCeltic]

so many of the things that Fultz does, you can't "practice" you can't "work on" you can't "get better at" they are things you either can or cannot do, and thats what separates superstars from stars and starters.

Yeah I feel you. I've wondered if he's a little overhyped - esp. when his stats against good competition aren't as elite - but he does have that "it" factor - the eye test says he's sort of a cross between Derrick Rose and TMac - athletic as hell, great handles, makes it all look easy. And doesn't look reliant on elite explosiveness like Rose, should be a better long-term bet on health.

Good to know the league consensus is he's head and shoulders above everyone else.

[Darth Celtic]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

Preach

[ViperGTS]

so many of the things that Fultz does, you can't "practice" you can't "work on" you can't "get better at" they are things you either can or cannot do, and thats what separates superstars from stars and starters.

Same thing I feel about Jaylen. His drive and ability to get "dirty" is innate. He'll be a phenomenal rebounder as he matures. His hang time is insane.

[AgentGreen]

i'm not saying you don't add, I'm just saying thats the only player in my mind that is worth relinquishing this pick for. I'm really not sure you guys have a good understanding of how valuable this particular pick is.

This isn't andrew friccin wiggins for love type #1 pick, this is of far far far far far far far far far far far greater value than anyone outside the NBA business circles can comprehend.

Well to each his own then. I'm not that high on Fultz like some of you over here.. Dont see big superstar potential in him.

i'm just not so sure you can say that considering he is doing things nobody else coming out of college has in decades

Wasn´t Beasley considered one of the most polished offensive talents in years? People where telling us that Wiggins is a generational talent and would be the next Lebron..

I'm not saying that Fultz will be a bust. i think that he will be a very good scorer in the league eventually, but thats it.. nothing more.

If we are talking about Fultz showing stuff that nobody's shown in the last decades. Sorry but i dont agree with that at all. Kyrie was the last guard who came out of college with one the most complete offensive package and dribbling skills that nobody had seen in years.

[Edug27]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

AD would cost us way more. No way the Pels do it for the 2017 1st overall pick only.

Boston would gladly add anything else they want to the package. That's how good AD is.

[Edug27]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

Yep. This isn't like the Wiggins/Love situation. We aren't signing Lebron this summer. You don't trade a 19 year old stud like Fultz for guys in their late 20's who aren't going to put us over the Cavs as long as Lebron is still there.

AD is the only guy worth discussing but it's not really much of a discussion as he isn't on the market. I do think Danny would at least spend a second thinking about Porz, but wouldn't do it. I'm a big Porz fan and think Brad could do wonders with him. But Fultz is the real deal here. The kid can score. And Brad has shown the success he can have running his system around a big time scorer.

The question becomes what to do with IT. Can he play with Fultz? Do you pay IT? Is Fultz a PG or 2? If he's a PG, then why resign IT. If he's a 2, then do you move Avery? Also, is Jaylen ready to take over for Crowder? Does Crowder really provide more than what Jaylen is capable of? If we sign Hayward, and draft Fultz, are we saying Jaylen will never be a starter here? Is 24 year old Jaylen better than current Hayward?

Oh so many questions.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

Yep. This isn't like the Wiggins/Love situation. We aren't signing Lebron this summer. You don't trade a 19 year old stud like Fultz for guys in their late 20's who aren't going to put us over the Cavs as long as Lebron is still there.

AD is the only guy worth discussing but it's not really much of a discussion as he isn't on the market. I do think Danny would at least spend a second thinking about Porz, but wouldn't do it. I'm a big Porz fan and think Brad could do wonders with him. But Fultz is the real deal here. The kid can score. And Brad has shown the success he can have running his system around a big time scorer.

The question becomes what to do with IT. Can he play with Fultz? Do you pay IT? Is Fultz a PG or 2? If he's a PG, then why resign IT. If he's a 2, then do you move Avery? Also, is Jaylen ready to take over for Crowder? Does Crowder really provide more than what Jaylen is capable of? If we sign Hayward, and draft Fultz, are we saying Jaylen will never be a starter here? Is 24 year old Jaylen better than current Hayward?

Oh so many questions.

yep, all the yep.

[claycarver]

I wonder how annoying it is to Klay Thompson that he doesn't even make 3rd team all NBA with Durant in town. I doubt he's annoyed enough to demand a trade, but who knows. Win a championship, get zero recognition, maybe thinks, "this sucks, I'd rather be a core piece of the next championship rather than 4th banana."

Yeah, probably not

[FlatearthZorro]

I wonder how annoying it is to Klay Thompson that he doesn't even make 3rd team all NBA with Durant in town. I doubt he's annoyed enough to demand a trade, but who knows. Win a championship, get zero recognition, maybe thinks, "this sucks, I'd rather be a core piece of the next championship rather than 4th banana."

Yeah, probably not

Hmm, I wonder if Klay takes a paycut and if Durant and Steph each take significant paycuts to have each other on the team. Keep in mind that Curry hasn't made as much cash as Durant has- 12 a year for 2 times MVP is pretty darn bad. He probably wants to cash in.

[Banks2Pierce]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

Preach

It's ridiculous to say anyone having a discussion around guys like Giannis, Towns, and Porzingis is clueless. Knicks are probably the only team that doesn't immediately hang up.

[Roddy B for 3]

Drummond/Olynyk
Horford/Crowder
Crowder/Brown
Fultz/Smart
Thomas/Rozier/Jackson

Boston trades Bradley for #11
Boston trades #11 + 2018 Boston 1st + 2019 Memphis 1st (or Rozier/Olynyk) + Johnson for Drummond

Or

Adams/Johnson
Horford/Olynyk
Crowder/Brown
Fultz/Smart
Thomas/Jackson

Boston trades: BKN 2018 + Bradley for OKC trades: Adams

OKC trades: Oladipo + 21 for Charlotte trades: Williams + 11


Gibson/Kanter
Williams/Collins
Roberson
Bradley
Westbrook
+2018 BKN

Charlotte:
Zeller
MKG/Kaminsky
Batum
Oladipo
Walker
+23

[CelticsLV]

But in reality you have to value number 1 pick as high as possible. Maybe Fultz translates so well to the NBA that he averages 20/5/5 right out of the gate. His skillset is that well rounded and polished at the age of 19. Nobody expected Towns to be so successful right away either. But here we are 2 years later and he's untouchable, posting up crazy numbers.

At that point you would simply laugh at offer like Butler for Fultz staright up.

[TheOGJabroni]

As I've seen a few times now, only guy I'm trading this pick (and more) for is Anthony Davis.

Both Brooklyn picks & Brown for him. You could do that deal and still have some legit cap space to fill out your roster (and keep Kelly).

[KGboss]

I wonder how annoying it is to Klay Thompson that he doesn't even make 3rd team all NBA with Durant in town. I doubt he's annoyed enough to demand a trade, but who knows. Win a championship, get zero recognition, maybe thinks, "this sucks, I'd rather be a core piece of the next championship rather than 4th banana."

Yeah, probably not

Well when they tie contracts into these awards there's the rub for Play.

He will be losing out on possibly over 100 million if he stays in golden State as the 3/4 option.