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All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2

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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1861 » by Jakeopp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:28 am

djFan71 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Interesting one now is trading for Butler and George with no cap room angle.

3rd pick, Grizz 2018, Amir, Crowder, Rozier for Butler and RLopez.

Nets 2018, Lakers 2018, Olynyk, Zeller, Jerebko for George.

IT/Smart
Butler/Bradley
George/Jaylen
Horford/Yabu
RLopez/Zizic

LOOK OUT!

Interesting. I'd probably see if I could do AB instead of BKN18 since George is a rental. Jaylen backing up both spots is fine, then you still have top 5 2018 pick left.

Yeah, absolutely no way I'm giving up the Nets '18 for George, and including the Lakers '18 as well would be absurd
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1862 » by fallguy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:28 am

Darth Celtic wrote:If kings want fox, trade 3 for 5 and 10, take either Jackson or Tatum at 5 (whoever is left), and one of the 7ft 3pt shooters at 10 to replace KO.


Seemed unlikely before today but there's a version of this summer where KO comes back.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1863 » by 31to6 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:28 am

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Captain_Caveman wrote:Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS


I just don't like that top foursome.

IT is a problem with any high usage big 4 and a very big problem if 3/4 are undersized. Butler is the only plus defensive player of the stars (I think Horford has aged down to average defensively, maybe even below average with how bad he is on the glass). Hayward weds us to extreme small ball, Griffin weds us to his crappy injury history.

And all freaking mercenaries. No homegrown guys, just a random bunch of high-powered hired guns except for our bench.


I agree with Slart and Froob that I'm not hoping Danny's doing this trade to get Butler or George. Sign Blake or Millsap, draft Jackson or Ball (or trade down for DSJ + whatever) and whatever the **** you do, keep BRK 18 and LAL 18 picks. I'm already in love with them as a duo. In 11 months people are going to be crapping their pants about them after we win 55 games and go into the lottery with two cracks at a top pick to add to Jaylen and whoever we draft this year.

Or trade everything for AD whenever stuff starts to get real in NO over the next three years.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1864 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:29 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
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Captain_Caveman wrote:Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS


Butlers knee is toast.

We'll keep #3 who will be yet another role player.

Land Hayward or Griffin which would have happened regardless and has nothing to do with this trade.

Way to lump in irrelevant info to cover up trading away an elite prospect for more non star players.


In the words of Conor McGregor, "Who the **** is THAT guy?"


It is very fitting to use a Conor McGregor quote connected to this move because the results of this trade feel much like the results of his fight with Mayeeather....Embarassing
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1865 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:29 am

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Horse for ponies. There aren't any All Stars available outside of the current FA crop. And any trade is prohibitive in the cost. So no, draft the best guy, and grab a FA. Don't blow assests on an aging All Star. And yes, PG13 and Butler are aging for example.


How about draft the guy you think is best and trade the extra crap you get in trading down for an all star and then signing another all star? Aging All Star's WTF I am really having a hard time here I have to be honest.

First part for sure, but if you trade it for a vet you better have a plan to contend or you are just throwing away picks.


Exactly. Signing Horford and not getting Durant was an epic failure and the ramifications are being felt right now. If this trade for an aging vet versus trading Horford and IT for their own good to a contender was decided to trade for said aging vet....what a disaster.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1866 » by JJtheBricklayer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:29 am

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Dude read. It is two way protection just like Ainge did with Dallas in the Rondo trade. Ainge knows what the hell he is doing that is why he has so many other team's picks.


Hes fine at getting the picks, its turning them into talent that he hasnt done recently. The 76ers now have 3 players with more talent and upside then anyone on the celtics. I'm not a fan of the trade, but I could get over it, its the fact that we may have just set up the successors to the cavs in the east without winning the trade outright that irks me.


You're not a fan of athletic defenders with grit that have no offense? You're nuts!


Theres only 1 ball bro, im not sure Smart, JJ and Brown will get to throw up enough bricks between them to be happy. In all seriousness I'm terrified, Danny hasnt drafted an All star since Rondo, he finally gets a consenus #1 that cant be messed up.... and decides then he knows better than everyone else and trades it.

If DAnny wasnt 1 of the worst drafting GMs in the league I'd be more enthused...
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1867 » by Captain_Caveman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:29 am

Jakeopp wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Interesting one now is trading for Butler and George with no cap room angle.

3rd pick, Grizz 2018, Amir, Crowder, Rozier for Butler and RLopez.

Nets 2018, Lakers 2018, Olynyk, Zeller, Jerebko for George.

IT/Smart
Butler/Bradley
George/Jaylen
Horford/Yabu
RLopez/Zizic

LOOK OUT!

Interesting. I'd probably see if I could do AB instead of BKN18 since George is a rental. Jaylen backing up both spots is fine, then you still have top 5 2018 pick left.

Yeah, absolutely no way I'm giving up the Nets '18 for George, and including the Lakers '18 as well would be absurd


He agrees to resign in any trade we do for him.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1868 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:30 am

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Mencius wrote:So, this is what I think will happen. We'll sign Hayward to play the 3, draft Tatum to play small ball 4, which I think he'll excel at. He's got very broad shoulders, and he'll really fill out, and the kid is a very good offensive player. With the LAL/Sac pic, we either wait and take it, pretty much guaranteed yet another top 5, or we flip it for Butler or George, and I'm not yet sure whether I'd prefer to trade that pick or ride it out. There are some very good bigs coming out next year. All that, and we still have the BKN 18 in our back pocket. Coming off the ECF, we are sitting pretty. The sky is not falling.


Tatum is without your best fit at #3. I personally dont like him at the 4, I think he is a 3 through and through (im in the minority on this though) but ya I think he fits great with Brown or Hayward.

Ill just say this, dont believe what many people say when they say Tatum is a ball stopper. He is far from it, the dude is a beast ISO player and that is why people say he is a ball stopper. The dude did whatever Duke needed him to do this past year. If that was keep the ball moving, he did it. If it was giving him the ball to get a score he did it. He will fit in very well with you guys and Stevens will know how to use him to perfection.


Didn't watch him alot. What are your thoughts on his defense, ball handling and athleticism?


Defense he has a ton of potential. He was by far the best defensive player for Duke last year. He is a better defender out on the perimeter than he is down low, which is one of the reasons I think hes more a 3 than 4. Ball handling, its basically as good as you can really hope for from a 19 year old forward thats 6'9. It does get a little high and out of control from time to time. But he has a really good handle for his size and age.

Athleticism on the other hand, there are definitely some question marks when it comes to him driving. His first step is fine, his speed in the fast break is fine. The issue is when he drives, he seems to lose all explosiveness. Dont get me wrong, he has the explosiveness, watch him get a block or rebound in traffic and you see plenty of athleticism. But for some reason, he has like 0 hops when he drives towards the basket. I dont know if its him just being a two foot leaper instead of a 1 foot leaper, or he just gets off balanced when he drives. But hes definitely a below the rim finisher when he drives and its definitely frustrating, its the biggest hole in his game. Either than that, he is a special player, his defensive potential is high, his scoring potential is freakishly high, plays within an offense very well. Finishing on his drives is his big question mark though.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1869 » by sully00 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:30 am

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They have protections. No protections? Fine. Protections suck and are meant to help only one team, which is the one trading them. I still love how,people fawn over these protected picks. Protected picks blow. It insulates the team that trades them so they have a good shot at keeping them.

Imagine Philly sucking again and getting number one next year? Heck, I bet that's the plan. Suck for one more year and maybe get 1.


Dude read. It is two way protection just like Ainge did with Dallas in the Rondo trade. Ainge knows what the hell he is doing that is why he has so many other team's picks.


Hes fine at getting the picks, its turning them into talent that he hasnt done recently. The 76ers now have 3 players with more talent and upside then anyone on the celtics. I'm not a fan of the trade, but I could get over it, its the fact that we may have just set up the successors to the cavs in the east without winning the trade outright that irks me.


And that talent and upside has translated into what? A fired GM. Every player who is due a pay check gets traded for .25 on the dollar. The reality is that Bradley and Crowder are players the Sixers have no players. Upside has little trade value when it is attached to a guaranteed salary and headaches. Noel will get a max deal this year but nobody would give up a 1st round pick for him in a trade. World moves fast.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1870 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:32 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Interesting one now is trading for Butler and George with no cap room angle.

3rd pick, Grizz 2018, Amir, Crowder, Rozier for Butler and RLopez.

Nets 2018, Lakers 2018, Olynyk, Zeller, Jerebko for George.

IT/Smart
Butler/Bradley
George/Jaylen
Horford/Yabu
RLopez/Zizic

LOOK OUT!


This team does not beat Cleveland much less make a run at the warriors.


Yeah, OK... LOL.

Sorry, I'm going to spend the rest of this thread talking to other people.

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All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1871 » by SparringPartner » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:33 am

In my mind the below is a really good summer for the Celtics post Philly trade.

BOS - #5 (Isaac), WCS
SAC - #3

BOS - #7 (Ntilikina or DSJ)
MIN - Bradley, 2nd rounder 2017


Sign Gordon Hayward


BOS - PG13 (remember contract)
IND - Crowder, Zeller, Rozier, Mem 19, LAC 19



IT4/(Ntilikina or DSJ)
Hayward/Smart
PG13/Brown
Horford/Isaac
WCS/Zizic

Maintain BRK 18
Maintain LALorSAC


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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1872 » by AKFO » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:33 am

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D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Yea. ..bagley andWilliamson will be seniors next year lol

Lmao reread his post :lol: :lol:

Straight out of high school means completing the 12th grade...Unless he meant Zion and Marvin can come out after their jr year which I'm cool with

Bro, if Bagley and Williamson are seniors next year, then they will be in college the following year, and thus eligible for the 2019 draft. If they were able to come straight out of high school, they'd be in the 2018 draft........
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1873 » by chrisab123 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:33 am

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Hes fine at getting the picks, its turning them into talent that he hasnt done recently. The 76ers now have 3 players with more talent and upside then anyone on the celtics. I'm not a fan of the trade, but I could get over it, its the fact that we may have just set up the successors to the cavs in the east without winning the trade outright that irks me.


You're not a fan of athletic defenders with grit that have no offense? You're nuts!


Theres only 1 ball bro, im not sure Smart, JJ and Brown will get to throw up enough bricks between them to be happy. In all seriousness I'm terrified, Danny hasnt drafted an All star since Rondo, he finally gets a consenus #1 that cant be messed up.... and decides then he knows better than everyone else and trades it.

If DAnny wasnt 1 of the worst drafting GMs in the league I'd be more enthused...


Smart Crowder Rozier JJ and Brown will be able to build homes all over the country with all the bricks they'll be laying. Just awful. Offense doesn't matter folks. Grit. Defense. Celtics.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1874 » by Slartibartfast » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:34 am

Celtics_Champs wrote:I miss the days where trading for a guy like Butler or george would be nothing short of 100 pages 90 percent loving it and over rating the next year's team. Instead I'm seeing tons of posts discarding it. **** Super teams.


I don't like this style of super-team building either. It's too cold and corporate. It's more like the way the Nets tried to buy a contender, just if they weren't incompetent.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1875 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:34 am

sully00 wrote:
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Dude read. It is two way protection just like Ainge did with Dallas in the Rondo trade. Ainge knows what the hell he is doing that is why he has so many other team's picks.


Hes fine at getting the picks, its turning them into talent that he hasnt done recently. The 76ers now have 3 players with more talent and upside then anyone on the celtics. I'm not a fan of the trade, but I could get over it, its the fact that we may have just set up the successors to the cavs in the east without winning the trade outright that irks me.


And that talent and upside has translated into what? A fired GM. Every player who is due a pay check gets traded for .25 on the dollar. The reality is that Bradley and Crowder are players the Sixers have no players. Upside has little trade value when it is attached to a guaranteed salary and headaches. Noel will get a max deal this year but nobody would give up a 1st round pick for him in a trade. World moves fast.


That talent, if healthy is about to explode. Danny just created the next Eastern Conference monster. If anything he just created a massive roadblock for his team, and if healthy starting next season. Philly needed a guard like Fultz. They've been desperate for one. Danny handed them one on a golden platter.

Even BB would not have traded the number one pick to a rival. Would not happen. Danny f*cked up and that will be seen in due time.
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Post#1876 » by drs123310 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:35 am

Side-thought: I wonder how much the Pacers are beginning to panic on PG13. His interview a few weeks ago was a disaster, they must know he will bolt for LA.

Wonder if they would give him up without BK18 involved.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1877 » by fallguy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:35 am

Realizing now: there are a whole lot of potential Celtics summers I'll be happy with.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1878 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:35 am

winsomme2 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS


Butlers knee is toast.

We'll keep #3 who will be yet another role player.

Land Hayward or Griffin which would have happened regardless and has nothing to do with this trade.

Way to lump in irrelevant info to cover up trading away an elite prospect for more non star players.


On what planet is Fultz an elite prospect, but Jackson a role player?

I am a Fultz camp guy, but Jackson has a big rep and if it wasn't for his shooting form, I would have taken him no. 1.

I am sure Ainge loves him.


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Post#1879 » by Jakeopp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:35 am

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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1880 » by 165bows » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:35 am

CrowderKeg wrote:
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Captain_Caveman wrote:Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS

So what does a Butler deal look like, whichever they like least out of Brown/#3 plus Bradley?

I liked the Butler/Griffin/Hayward trio addition at the beginning of this thread but that might break the wallet/Zarren's brain. Even harder than the earlier ones we had cooked up lol.


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You could replace Hayward with Griffin but NOT Butler with George (need to add more pieces for salary-matching).
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Oh I was talking about getting all three of those guys. It would take a trade and two sign and trades, prob not remotely possible.

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