Around the NBA '17-'18 Season (Non-Celtics Talk)

[ConstableGeneva]

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At this point, that organization may want to rethink their existence and if basketball is really for them.

[Jakeopp]

Elfrid Payton , traded for a 2nd pick

14 points , 6 for 6 , 2 for 2 three pointers 5 rebounds in 6 minutes

Again

Dumbass Danny for not picking up somebody

But you know what, now that I think about it, Danny basically is telling us, wait till next year boys, that's when we do our thing. This season doesn't mean anything to Ainge.

It's one game, and the Warriors had Iggy and Draymond drawing up plays in the huddle lol. They couldn't care less at this point.

Omri Cassipi put up 19/10, should we have traded for him too?

[djFan71]

Just gonna put these 2 together:

Elfrid Payton , traded for a 2nd pick

14 points , 6 for 6 , 2 for 2 three pointers 5 rebounds in 6 minutes

Again

Dumbass Danny for not picking up somebody

But you know what, now that I think about it, Danny basically is telling us, wait till next year boys, that's when we do our thing. This season doesn't mean anything to Ainge.

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At this point, that organization may want to rethink their existence and if basketball is really for them.

[K For Three]

Anthony Davis has a special message for the Celtics and Celtics fans for Valentine's Day:

[GrandTheftRondo]

Lebron makes role players look better, see JJ Hickson or JR Smith. He doesn‘t make players who need the ball better. A second high usage ballhandler can coexist with Lebron, but it has never been synergistic. The dynamic becomes an agreed upon "your turn, my turn" kinda thing. That happened with Wade and Kyrie. When you add the third high usage star like Love or Bosh, that guy gets marginalized and is forced to play a very different game assuming they made a good chunk of their production in the paint.

Numbers tell half the story, but it isn‘t a crazy theory that Lebron does‘t make all his teammates better.

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That’s exactly the same with every superstar throughout NBA history who needed the ball in their hands a lot.

What superstar has played next to another superstar and actually made them better? One of them is always going to have to sacrifice.

I don’t see why it’s a negative against LeBron.

um.... Magic and Bird come to mind

Bird never played next to a superstar who needed to handle the ball to be effective.

Likewise Magic had Kareem and Worthy who were perfect sidekicks.

[JudBuchler]

Just gonna put these 2 together:

Elfrid Payton , traded for a 2nd pick

14 points , 6 for 6 , 2 for 2 three pointers 5 rebounds in 6 minutes

Again

Dumbass Danny for not picking up somebody

But you know what, now that I think about it, Danny basically is telling us, wait till next year boys, that's when we do our thing. This season doesn't mean anything to Ainge.

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At this point, that organization may want to rethink their existence and if basketball is really for them.

The reply means nothing. Especially when we are talking about a player that can help. Who cares how his team plays. A player that is wanted or can be had is all about what he can do as a Celtic. No organization in the league right now is better at putting a player in a good position to succeed , especially a player who is unselfish and just wants to prove he can play.

Bring Tyreke in , Lou , even a guy Mudiay, or Elf who can get the guys the ball in the right spots.

Thanks for your reply, which is a typical response from somebody thinking they have been attacked or something lol.

[JudBuchler]

Danny Ainge better get Anthony Davis.

You can't keep stocking up these guys and then expect them to stay when its time to get paid, or when its time that they get pitches from other teams that will want them.

Love Danny, and he is a genious at getting picks and such, but I feel like he doesn't go for it. The last time he did when we had a chance at a ring, it backfired completely.

[CelticsPride18]

Danny Ainge better get Anthony Davis.

You can't keep stocking up these guys and then expect them to stay when its time to get paid, or when its time that they get pitches from other teams that will want them.

Love Danny, and he is a genious at getting picks and such, but I feel like he doesn't go for it. The last time he did when we had a chance at a ring, it backfired completely.

WTF? When was the last time he had a chance to go for it?

[Moose23]

Danny Ainge better get Anthony Davis.

You can't keep stocking up these guys and then expect them to stay when its time to get paid, or when its time that they get pitches from other teams that will want them.

Love Danny, and he is a genious at getting picks and such, but I feel like he doesn't go for it. The last time he did when we had a chance at a ring, it backfired completely.

WTF? When was the last time he had a chance to go for it?

When he refused to trade for Kyrie Irving and refused to create capspace for signing Hayward.

[2Mas]

Danny Ainge better get Anthony Davis.

You can't keep stocking up these guys and then expect them to stay when its time to get paid, or when its time that they get pitches from other teams that will want them.

Love Danny, and he is a genious at getting picks and such, but I feel like he doesn't go for it. The last time he did when we had a chance at a ring, it backfired completely.

He got us Irving Tatum Hayward for Thomas Crowder Fultz Bradley in 1 summer. The year before he got Brown & Horford for no one.

Danny goes for it. I too woulda liked to move our 1st for Tyreke. Ik it's only 30 games, but he woulda filled a big gap for us. & Truthfully we don't need another 28th pick w/ all the youth on this team.

But you can't say he doesn't go for it lol. Nonsense. What if Hayward comes back? Gonna give up a 1st for 15mpg off the bench from Reke? That's not really worth it.

For me ideally:: We'd let Gordon sit. Trade for Reke & play him Smarts mins. Putting Smart down to 22-24mpg. All of a sudden we can score off the bench w/ Evans Morris Monroe Rozier & Smart gets the clean ups.

But this year really doesn't mean too much. Next year expectations are finals or bust. This year? Hoping we go to the ECF. Lose in the EF & I won't be pissed. Semi's? Yeah. Finals? gravy. Danny's playing the long game.

[GregB]

Just gonna put these 2 together:

Elfrid Payton , traded for a 2nd pick

14 points , 6 for 6 , 2 for 2 three pointers 5 rebounds in 6 minutes

Again

Dumbass Danny for not picking up somebody

But you know what, now that I think about it, Danny basically is telling us, wait till next year boys, that's when we do our thing. This season doesn't mean anything to Ainge.

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At this point, that organization may want to rethink their existence and if basketball is really for them.

The reply means nothing. Especially when we are talking about a player that can help. Who cares how his team plays. A player that is wanted or can be had is all about what he can do as a Celtic. No organization in the league right now is better at putting a player in a good position to succeed , especially a player who is unselfish and just wants to prove he can play.

Bring Tyreke in , Lou , even a guy Mudiay, or Elf who can get the guys the ball in the right spots.

Thanks for your reply, which is a typical response from somebody thinking they have been attacked or something lol.

I think his point was the player helped his team lose by 40 points. Stats don’t equal helping a team towards winning. I would have liked Tyreke but I understand why Danny didn’t want to give up a first for him. He doesn’t help us beat GS this year.

But the Paytons and Mudiays do nothing to help our offense. So I understand why Tyreke was the only guy on our radar.

[24istheLAW]

Just gonna put these 2 together:

The reply means nothing. Especially when we are talking about a player that can help. Who cares how his team plays. A player that is wanted or can be had is all about what he can do as a Celtic. No organization in the league right now is better at putting a player in a good position to succeed , especially a player who is unselfish and just wants to prove he can play.

Bring Tyreke in , Lou , even a guy Mudiay, or Elf who can get the guys the ball in the right spots.

Thanks for your reply, which is a typical response from somebody thinking they have been attacked or something lol.

I think his point was the player helped his team lose by 40 points. Stats don’t equal helping a team towards winning. I would have liked Tyreke but I understand why Danny didn’t want to give up a first for him. He doesn’t help us beat GS this year.

But the Paytons and Mudiays do nothing to help our offense. So I understand why Tyreke was the only guy on our radar.

Exactly, you can't just say who cares how the team plays. He played 31 minutes, he had a big hand in getting stomped out last night. You need a large enough sample size to start disentangling his impact from the team.

[tfmiii]

That’s exactly the same with every superstar throughout NBA history who needed the ball in their hands a lot.

What superstar has played next to another superstar and actually made them better? One of them is always going to have to sacrifice.

I don’t see why it’s a negative against LeBron.

um.... Magic and Bird come to mind

Bird never played next to a superstar who needed to handle the ball to be effective.

Likewise Magic had Kareem and Worthy who were perfect sidekicks.

Couldn't disagree more, McHale and Kareem were prototypical 'black holes' - tho Kareem was a gifted passer when the spirit moved him. Worthy is in the HOF in large part to having Magic as a teammate, the same could be argued for Parish.

Magic and Bird infected their teammates with a willingness and enthusiasm, both to share the ball and for other aspects of the game. I don't see that with MJ or LBJ. Sure some role players get a chance to shine like Kerr or Chalmers but for the most part they need others to sublimate their game for their team's good.

[DoubleHappiness]

Payton is a decent young player with a bit of upside. I think he's gonna stick somewhere, but that spot was not this team.

Coincidentally, he's just the type of player the Magic should be holding on to. I have no clue what that franchise is doing. They gave up on their 23 year old lotto pg for a 2nd rounder? It's rare that I think we collectively at RealGM could run a team better than actual NBA execs, but the Magic are that franchise for sure.

[nymets1]

Anybody have a guess what team Isiaah Thomas plays for next year? The only team he's looked good on is the Celtics. Now it appears he is a system fit when he was with the Celtics as opposed to a star player. With issues of his defense, his ego, his lack of height, number of teams he's played for(5) since being in the NBA, what team wants him? I wouldn't want him even for the league minimum.

[djFan71]

Just gonna put these 2 together:

Elfrid Payton , traded for a 2nd pick

14 points , 6 for 6 , 2 for 2 three pointers 5 rebounds in 6 minutes

Again

Dumbass Danny for not picking up somebody

But you know what, now that I think about it, Danny basically is telling us, wait till next year boys, that's when we do our thing. This season doesn't mean anything to Ainge.

Read on Twitter

At this point, that organization may want to rethink their existence and if basketball is really for them.

The reply means nothing. Especially when we are talking about a player that can help. Who cares how his team plays. A player that is wanted or can be had is all about what he can do as a Celtic. No organization in the league right now is better at putting a player in a good position to succeed , especially a player who is unselfish and just wants to prove he can play.

Bring Tyreke in , Lou , even a guy Mudiay, or Elf who can get the guys the ball in the right spots.

Thanks for your reply, which is a typical response from somebody thinking they have been attacked or something lol.

It was a snarky reply, I'll give you that. But you gotta admit you've been beating a dead horse here. And bringing up that Danny should've done what Phoenix did and bring in underperforming rookie deal guys (at best) like Mudiay or Payton just seemed ridiculous to me.

[Dannyboy36]

Anybody have a guess what team Isiaah Thomas plays for next year? The only team he's looked good on is the Celtics. Now it appears he is a system fit when he was with the Celtics as opposed to a star player. With issues of his defense, his ego, his lack of height, number of teams he's played for(5) since being in the NBA, what team wants him? I wouldn't want him even for the league minimum.

I.T. is going to need a gm like Jordan who just wants to make the playoffs.

[2Mas]

Payton is a decent young player with a bit of upside. I think he's gonna stick somewhere, but that spot was not this team.

Coincidentally, he's just the type of player the Magic should be holding on to. I have no clue what that franchise is doing. They gave up on their 23 year old lotto pg for a 2nd rounder? It's rare that I think we collectively at RealGM could run a team better than actual NBA execs, but the Magic are that franchise for sure.

Faaaacts.

- Don't forget they let go of Oladipo (& the #11 pick in Sabonis!) for a washed up Ibaka.
- Declined Henzonja's taem option for next year. Cause why not? Then he avg's 14 & 5 in 2018.
- Gives up Elfred Payton for a 2nd. Not a huge Payton guy, but still. That's terrible.
- Traded a young Tobias Harris for Ersan & Jennings? When they already had Aaron Gordon.

Yup. Sums them up nicely.

[2Mas]

Anybody have a guess what team Isiaah Thomas plays for next year? The only team he's looked good on is the Celtics. Now it appears he is a system fit when he was with the Celtics as opposed to a star player. With issues of his defense, his ego, his lack of height, number of teams he's played for(5) since being in the NBA, what team wants him? I wouldn't want him even for the league minimum.

That's just false. The only team he looked bad on was Cle.

Coming off not being able to run or do anything for 8 months. & Get thrown into the fire as an old team that don't practice.

What Cle shoulda did was send him to the Gleague for 2-3 weeks. Let him get in shape & this wouldn't of been an issue. Bring him back on a min rest off the bench.

I go play pickup at LA as a 25 year old after not being active for 3 weeks & I feel like ****. I can't imagine 8 months rehabbing an injury having to be in NBA shape.

But he's going to be a bargain this summer. I could see like a 2yr/20m type deal. Maybe a team like Indiana who if they can get better depth w/ their cap, they might spend it on IT. Philly i could see.

[JudBuchler]

Just gonna put these 2 together:

The reply means nothing. Especially when we are talking about a player that can help. Who cares how his team plays. A player that is wanted or can be had is all about what he can do as a Celtic. No organization in the league right now is better at putting a player in a good position to succeed , especially a player who is unselfish and just wants to prove he can play.

Bring Tyreke in , Lou , even a guy Mudiay, or Elf who can get the guys the ball in the right spots.

Thanks for your reply, which is a typical response from somebody thinking they have been attacked or something lol.

I think his point was the player helped his team lose by 40 points. Stats don’t equal helping a team towards winning. I would have liked Tyreke but I understand why Danny didn’t want to give up a first for him. He doesn’t help us beat GS this year.

But the Paytons and Mudiays do nothing to help our offense. So I understand why Tyreke was the only guy on our radar.

This is a garbage argument. It really is simple to explain when you take the glasses off. Like literally very simple.

Players have skill sets and talent. You don't gauge them completely by what the team is doing.

Marcus Smart is supposedly a game changing player, but would not help any teams like the Magic or the Suns, or any terrible young team with not a good coach to compete.

So quickly we debunk this notion that players cause teams to lose. It is a ridiculous concept that I KNOW FOR SURE is just fans getting angry that somebody likes a player from another team

Isaigh Thomas, Kyrie Irving

Both players lead terrible teams, both have played on terrible teams, but skill set remains, style of play remains, and obviously Ainge or management knows this.

So instead of you just looking at a final score and acting like one player causes the loss

Try actually being smart and having an actual debate , not the nonsense that seems to be plaguing forums lately.