Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO

[Green89]

In terms of raw talent, yes seeing as we got KG on the back 9. Like Kyrie, we would be getting a still improving AD

KG was an ironman who rarely missed games in his Minnesota career. AD has had an injury every single season he's played. We throw everything we can at him and his injuries pop up in the playoffs, we're screwed. I believe Danny will make an offseason move that does not initially include Tatum. If NO doesn't take anyone's offer this deadline, Ainge will then have leverage to try and get a deal done first without Tatum, and only put him in a deal if he has to. Still risky, considering AD's injury tendencies.

An Ironman that hurt his knee his second year here.

A 25 year old Davis is better than a 31 year old KG

Exactly the point. KG wasn't injury prone until his 30s. AD was before he even hit 25.

[Homerclease]

KG was an ironman who rarely missed games in his Minnesota career. AD has had an injury every single season he's played. We throw everything we can at him and his injuries pop up in the playoffs, we're screwed. I believe Danny will make an offseason move that does not initially include Tatum. If NO doesn't take anyone's offer this deadline, Ainge will then have leverage to try and get a deal done first without Tatum, and only put him in a deal if he has to. Still risky, considering AD's injury tendencies.

An Ironman that hurt his knee his second year here.

A 25 year old Davis is better than a 31 year old KG

Exactly the point. KG wasn't injury prone until his 30s. AD was before he even hit 25.

So are you saying the KG deal was a bad one?

[BillessuR6]

Solomon Hill is expiring. We can maybe re-route him to a 3rd team if we don't want him. But I'm betting he can be turned into a serviceable swing ala Crowder. He had a good playoffs run in Indy. It's the reason why he was given that contract.

Do not really want his 13 million on the books for 2019/2020. It is true however that for NO it is smarter to actually leave him out of the deal and rather get another asset in return...if they are rebulding it does not realy matter if they have a dead contract on the roster....

But giving Hill that kind of money tells you everything about Demps as a GM...

[No-Man]

Read on Twitter

thoughts? leaving biases aside, also I explain in the tweet chain if you open that Tatum isn't there cause I am not sure Ainge'd offer him at this point

I think it's interesting, the narrative is obv pro-Boston assets and for good reason (way better picks)

[Pacino62]

Read on Twitter

thoughts? leaving biases aside, also I explain in the tweet chain if you open that Tatum isn't there cause I am not sure Ainge'd offer him at this point

I think it's interesting, the narrative is obv pro-Boston assets and for good reason (way better picks)

No Tatum and no Sac pick, I’d actually take the Lakers offer. And I’m a HUGE Smart guy

[No-Man]

I m not including any picks that are conveying this year, that's why no SAC pick, obv you could include whoever you draft late lotto this year, but then you'd need to wait a month or wait to sign the rookie etc, it's just more complicated

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'd be willing to eat Hayward as NO. I think he's kinda cooked, but his contract isnt too painful. Could help Boston make the most of their assets by sign and trading or matching Rozier, and retain Morris or whatever other whacky thing Ainge comes up with.

I'm just glad Tatum and the Memphis and Sac picks as the core is finally being discussed here

Youll find a vocal minority who wont want to trade Tatum and the picks, but that was the same with trading Al Jefferson for KG. The vast majority are more than okay with that as the core, especially if you take Hayward.

[aim2please]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick, another 1st rounder.

Don’t make it complicated. That’s all that needs to happen here.

Months ago, when someone asked would you trade Tatum and Brown for AD, I said 'yes and it's not even a debate'. I guess I'm the only one who rates Memphis' pick higher than Brown. I would trade Brown and keep Smart and the pick. If you add Yabu you're only $2m short to make the trade legal. And for casuals/NO owners, Brown and Tatum sounds sexy as hell. So easy to sell.

Smart is Celtics way, Brown is not. Remember, if Brown doesn't get an extension this summer/fall, he's gonna be playing for a contract next year. Last thing you need when you're trying to win a tittle. Jaylen is not a bad kid or anything but he's a sensitive emo who doesn't accept who he is. An elite role player. Not a star. Not even close. Never will be.

I don't think I can stomach losing Smart and watching Jaylen shot it every time he catches it while AD and Kyrie are on the court watching. Imagine paying him $20m a year. Let him be New Orleans' Wiggins.

You're about 2 months late to the Jaylen hate wagon lmfao

I was one of the people who started it fwiw. To be fair, I don't hate him. It's not personal. Just don't think highly of him as a basketball player.

[BillTheGOAT]

I swear if Masai gets AD for a package including Travis Kelce, Anunoby, Siakam,Delon Wright I will throw up.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Re: Hayward, Paul George was not good in his return from ACL surgery in April 2015- 36 percent shooting, 8.8 points in 15 minutes a game over a two-week stretch. 7 months later, after an off-season of rest/training, he averaged 29 points in November 2015 on .475 shooting, .490 from 3.

Hayward hasn't had an off-season, and he's in month 4.. I've seen Cousins play, too, and he's definitely less explosive and less vertical - it just doesn't matter as much because he's gigantic and there are only a handful of bigs in the league who won't just get out of his way.

Hayward is 16 months removed from his injury. 16 months after PGs injury, he was averaging 30-8-4 on 62% TS%.

People need to stop with the PG nonsense.

[GregB]

Re: Hayward, Paul George was not good in his return from ACL surgery in April 2015- 36 percent shooting, 8.8 points in 15 minutes a game over a two-week stretch. 7 months later, after an off-season of rest/training, he averaged 29 points in November 2015 on .475 shooting, .490 from 3.

Hayward hasn't had an off-season, and he's in month 4.. I've seen Cousins play, too, and he's definitely less explosive and less vertical - it just doesn't matter as much because he's gigantic and there are only a handful of bigs in the league who won't just get out of his way.

Hayward is 16 months removed from his injury. 16 months after PGs injury, he was averaging 30-8-4 on 62% TS%.

People need to stop with the PG nonsense.

Hayward has a second surgery. PG did not. PG was also the number one option the day he returned to the court. Hayward was like 5-6.

I am not saying Hayward is going to fully come back. But the situations aren’t really comparable.

[cloverleaf]

I swear if Masai gets AD for a package including Travis Kelce, Anunoby, Siakam,Delon Wright I will throw up.

Not for a minute would Danny allow that to happen. My guess is that he would actually swing a Kyrie-to-another team or 3-way trade and trump other AD offers, if it came to that. AD, AH, JT, JB/MM, and MS/TR or more likely one of the latter two replaced by the return for Kyrie could be formidable. Then a year to win AD over and the RW3 promise to allow AD to play on a championship team at the 4 in the future could be compelling.

[Banks2Pierce]

I am not saying Hayward is going to fully come back. But the situations aren’t really comparable.

People keep using George to try to paint Hayward's season in a positive light when George was an All Star in the equivalent season so it's fair to correct them. The second surgery was a killer and the injuries were different.

What I seem to be coming around to is that Hayward doing that injury at that time in his career is sort of unprecedented and I'd guess even our front office is playing a guessing game as to whether he'll be close to the player he had grown to. That 31% from 3 is killer because his value off-ball isn't even great and his offense is like Smart of the last few years where it's all playmaking for others and not himself.

[BillTheGOAT]

I swear if Masai gets AD for a package including Travis Kelce, Anunoby, Siakam,Delon Wright I will throw up.

Not for a minute would Danny allow that to happen. My guess is that he would actually swing a Kyrie-to-another team or 3-way trade and trump other AD offers, if it came to that. AD, AH, JT, JB/MM, and MS/TR or more likely one of the latter two replaced by the return for Kyrie could be formidable. Then a year to win AD over and the RW3 promise to allow AD to play on a championship team at the 4 in the future could be compelling.

Danny's hands are tied at the trade deadline, I'm not saying this would happen in July, that's why it's a concern. I Think that's a better deal than the Lakers.

[Scarletfire81]

I swear if Masai gets AD for a package including Travis Kelce, Anunoby, Siakam,Delon Wright I will throw up.

Not for a minute would Danny allow that to happen. My guess is that he would actually swing a Kyrie-to-another team or 3-way trade and trump other AD offers, if it came to that. AD, AH, JT, JB/MM, and MS/TR or more likely one of the latter two replaced by the return for Kyrie could be formidable. Then a year to win AD over and the RW3 promise to allow AD to play on a championship team at the 4 in the future could be compelling.

Danny's hands are tied at the trade deadline, I'm not saying this would happen in July, that's why it's a concern. I Think that's a better deal than the Lakers.

I'm hoping they agree to a deal in principal before then. That would def encourage Kyrie to resign. Also Pelicans would want to agree to a deal before hand so they could make the draft picks.

[Saint Lazarus]

Months ago, when someone asked would you trade Tatum and Brown for AD, I said 'yes and it's not even a debate'. I guess I'm the only one who rates Memphis' pick higher than Brown. I would trade Brown and keep Smart and the pick. If you add Yabu you're only $2m short to make the trade legal. And for casuals/NO owners, Brown and Tatum sounds sexy as hell. So easy to sell.

Smart is Celtics way, Brown is not. Remember, if Brown doesn't get an extension this summer/fall, he's gonna be playing for a contract next year. Last thing you need when you're trying to win a tittle. Jaylen is not a bad kid or anything but he's a sensitive emo who doesn't accept who he is. An elite role player. Not a star. Not even close. Never will be.

I don't think I can stomach losing Smart and watching Jaylen shot it every time he catches it while AD and Kyrie are on the court watching. Imagine paying him $20m a year. Let him be New Orleans' Wiggins.

You're about 2 months late to the Jaylen hate wagon lmfao

I was one of the people who started it fwiw. To be fair, I don't hate him. It's not personal. Just don't think highly of him as a basketball player.

It is pretty personal when you call him a sensitive emo right after he said he accepted the bench role and found the positives of being a 6th man.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Unfortunately if you want a top 5 player in this league you will have to give up most of your assets.

That’s why the kings being good is killing us! If they landed in the top 6 you might not have to include Brown or Tatum but that doesn’t look like it’s happening

[klemen4]

Only way not have to include Tatum is if Sac pick jumps in lottery to top 4 and if offer would be:

- smart
- brown
- sac top 4 pick
- Mem pick
- Yabu

For AD

Or

- Hayward
- Brown
- sac top 4 pick
- Mem pick

For AD&Hill

2nd option being far the best for Celtics

Kyrie
Smart
Tatum
AD
Horford

[Edug27]

Months ago, when someone asked would you trade Tatum and Brown for AD, I said 'yes and it's not even a debate'. I guess I'm the only one who rates Memphis' pick higher than Brown. I would trade Brown and keep Smart and the pick. If you add Yabu you're only $2m short to make the trade legal. And for casuals/NO owners, Brown and Tatum sounds sexy as hell. So easy to sell.

Smart is Celtics way, Brown is not. Remember, if Brown doesn't get an extension this summer/fall, he's gonna be playing for a contract next year. Last thing you need when you're trying to win a tittle. Jaylen is not a bad kid or anything but he's a sensitive emo who doesn't accept who he is. An elite role player. Not a star. Not even close. Never will be.

I don't think I can stomach losing Smart and watching Jaylen shot it every time he catches it while AD and Kyrie are on the court watching. Imagine paying him $20m a year. Let him be New Orleans' Wiggins.

You're about 2 months late to the Jaylen hate wagon lmfao

I was one of the people who started it fwiw. To be fair, I don't hate him. It's not personal. Just don't think highly of him as a basketball player.

I loved his potential coming out of college. Was amped when we drafted him. 2 years later, I see some glaring issues that will prevent him from developing the way I had hoped. Issues I don't see him overcoming. I still think he'll be a good player though... So less Jimmy Butler and more Rashad Lewis. Lol.

[Celts17Pride]

People need to stop putting Gordon Hayward in AD trade proposals. Nevermind that he is a shell of a player that he was and making $30+ million per year, Hayward serves absolutely no purpose for a rebuilding New Orleans Pelicans team. They would get much better offers elsewhere.