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Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1861 » by chrisab123 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:54 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

Trade using what? If Hayward walks for nothing, we don't have any trade-able mid-tier salaries. No TPE either.

If we only take on Turner, we could be about $8.8M below the tax line w/ one roster spot open. Full MLE available to use.


You are correct. If he walks thats 25 + million that they cant use to match any salaries. Or 18 or whatever he's signed to.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1862 » by MagicBagley18 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:54 pm

I don’t even like McDermott but we played javonte green minutes last year....McDermott would def play here just for spacing lone
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1863 » by jirrit » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:55 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:I don’t even like McDermott but we played javonte green minutes last year....McDermott would def play here just for spacing lone


In a non-injured team I see no place for him. I much rather give Romeo and Nesmith minutes in front of him.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1864 » by Bohemian » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:55 pm

I believe someone in the thread wrote yesterday that the deal with Indy would happen either today or tomorrow. So...TRADE?? :wink:
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1865 » by Writebloc » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:55 pm

chrisab123 wrote:If Ainge bungles this and Hayward goes to NY due to believing that Danny isn't negotiating in good faith (hes not) then something needs to be done. You can't ask for Oladipo and Turner for Hayward when he could just walk.

Meanwhile...players are currently signing...not sure if Danny is aware or even cares.


You obviously have a bias against Ainge, but the Haywards have done this to themselves and made the negotiations harder on Indiana, Ainge being a good business person is not a fault in this situation it is a positive. The Haywards are all in on Indiana, everyone knows it, there's total transparency. He's not going to go to New York for less money, plus he doesn't want to be a Knick, so in this situation where Hayward wants to play in one specific location, and Indiana wants the services of Hayward Ainge has the leverage.

Ainge and the rest of the league know that Indiana wants to trade Turner away, the coach as well as multiple reporters have mentioned this - so Hayward for Turner is a no brainer part of this deal. Since the contracts don't add up Indy needs to give more. As it has also been highlighted Indy has been looking to dump McDermott since they signed his deal. That shouldn't be on Ainge to accept that bad money and as a fan of the team you should be able to respect that. Especially since we drafted a player that likely fits McDermott's role better than McDermott. The Celtics don't want to be in a position where they have to play Doug minutes and disrupt the development of Nesmith just because Indy wants to foist this contract on Boston to make this deal work for the Haywards who are already living in their palatial estate in Indiana,

Ainge has the leverage and that is why he's asking for either Oladipo or Warren. It isn't bargaining in bad faith, it is straight bargaining. Hayward wants his money, and he wants the Pacers. Danny is getting Turner, but the Celtics don't need to take on bad money to make this thing work for the Haywards.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1866 » by sully00 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:56 pm

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1867 » by Celtics_Champs » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:56 pm

Huge Ainge fan but he’s a cock. We all know this.

His excuse if he loses this deal because of greed and ego “that deal was never on the table, we were trying hard to get Gordon back”

Lol I would puke.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1868 » by titlebound1 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:57 pm

He's not going to sign with NY. He has nowhere else to go. It's either stay in Boston, or do a sign and trade with Indy. Danny is doing the right thing...they have zero leverage.

There are exactly zero reasons to go to NY. Yeah big city and tons of stars. Fantastic...how much fun are you going to have with covid going on and no end in sight?
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1869 » by celticfan42487 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:57 pm

Steven Adams went for a first rounder heavily protected and a couple of seconds.

Even if we got Miles Turner we could have used him. That just seems like a good pickup.

I'm pretty confident Adams is solidly better than Turner or Theis. And we can always play Turner minutes at PF for spacing, heck we played Theis at PF for some time.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1870 » by BK_2020 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:58 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Gordo walking is better than being in the tax for Myles Turner. Let Hayward walk and trade for one of Detroits eight centers.

Trade using what? If Hayward walks for nothing, we don't have any trade-able mid-tier salaries. No TPE either.

If we only take on Turner, we could be about $8.8M below the tax line w/ one roster spot open. Full MLE available to use.

And we will be in the tax when Tatums 30% extension kicks in, all for a guy who should be getting half a MLE.
I would literally bring back Greg Monroe over taking on Turners albatross contract.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1871 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:58 pm

Gonna stop pretending I know better than Mike and Danny and what's best for the team. At least for the next 30 minutes.

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1872 » by Jammer » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:58 pm

Getting McDermott puts Doug and Grant WIlliams at PF,
Tatum and Aaron Nesmith at SF,
Brown and Smart at SG,
Walker and Smart/Pritchard at PG,
and you are looking at undersized centers in Theis, Williams III and Potentially Turner.
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Post#1873 » by jirrit » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:59 pm

Writebloc wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:If Ainge bungles this and Hayward goes to NY due to believing that Danny isn't negotiating in good faith (hes not) then something needs to be done. You can't ask for Oladipo and Turner for Hayward when he could just walk.

Meanwhile...players are currently signing...not sure if Danny is aware or even cares.


You obviously have a bias against Ainge, but the Haywards have done to themselves and made the negotiations harder on Indiana, Ainge being a good business person is not a fault in this situation it is a positive. The Haywards are all in on Indiana, everyone knows it, there's total transparency. He's not going to go to New York for less money, plus he doesn't want to be a Knick, so in this situation where Hayward wants to play in one specific location, and Indiana wants the services of Hayward Ainge has the leverage.

Ainge and the rest of the league know that Indiana wants to trade Turner away, the coach as well as multiple reporters have mentioned this - so Hayward for Turner is a no brainer part of this deal. Since the contracts don't add up Indy needs to give more. As it has also been highlighted Indy has been looking to dump McDermott since they signed his deal. That shouldn't be on Ainge to accept that bad money and as a fan of the team you should be able to respect that. Especially since we drafted a player that likely fits McDermott's role better than McDermott. The Celtics don't want to be in a position where they have to play Doug minutes and disrupt the development of Nesmith just because Indy wants to foist this contract on Boston to make this deal work for the Haywards who are already living in their palatial estate in Indiana,

Ainge has the leverage and that is why he's asking for either Oladipo or Warren. It isn't bargaining in bad faith, it is straight bargaining. Hayward wants his money, and he wants the Pacers. Danny is getting Turner, but the Celtics don't need to take on bad money to make this thing work for the Haywards.


Yeah thats kinda what I meant. This all depends how desperate Indiana is gonna be IMO cause I dont see Ainge taking back bad contracts. Maybe if they attach a pick to Doug?
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1874 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:01 pm

jirrit wrote:Ainge just knows Indiana and Gordon need us to make it happen or am I wrong? Can Gordon also do a sign & trade to Indiana with another team? Like sign for OKC then get traded to Indiana? I dont think that’s possible? If not Ainge is gonna Ainge on this one, he won’t bend over but he needs to negotiate this the right way so it doesnt come back in our face.


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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1875 » by greenroom31 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:02 pm

My take on the Hayward situation... first some stuff we know:

- Atlanta is out after the Gallinari signing
- The Knicks and Hayward are low on each others priority list... would only be if all else fails for both sides
- Indy wants Hayward and vice versa -- now it's just a negotiation over what they send in addition to Turner

Assuming that's all accurate, Ainge is now in control and his position will only get stronger once NY uses their cap space on other guys. Once they are gone as a stalking horse, Boston can beat anyone else's offer in terms of dollars and Hayward can't (credibly) threaten to leave with Boston getting nothing. Ainge can just tell Hayward and Indy that if they don't meet his demands, we'll re-sign Hayward.

The longer this goes on the more likely I think it is that we get Turner + something else of value or bring Hayward back.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1876 » by jirrit » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:02 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
jirrit wrote:Ainge just knows Indiana and Gordon need us to make it happen or am I wrong? Can Gordon also do a sign & trade to Indiana with another team? Like sign for OKC then get traded to Indiana? I dont think that’s possible? If not Ainge is gonna Ainge on this one, he won’t bend over but he needs to negotiate this the right way so it doesnt come back in our face.


A team can only sign and trade its own free agents.


I thought so, thanks!
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Post#1877 » by BK_2020 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:02 pm

AD is still available guys....
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1878 » by Drax » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:02 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Steven Adams went for a first rounder heavily protected and a couple of seconds.

Even if we got Miles Turner we could have used him. That just seems like a good pickup.

I'm pretty confident Adams is solidly better than Turner or Theis. And we can always play Turner minutes at PF for spacing, heck we played Theis at PF for some time.


Thats not how it works mate. You have to send out some salary to get someone in return or have cap space. We dont have either, unless you suggested a S&T of Hayward for Adams or trade Kemba for him. Both wouldnt work because OKC dont want long term money.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1879 » by sully00 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:03 pm

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Froob wrote:Is McBuckets good? I didn’t know he was still in the league, but his stats are good.

No, he’s not. He’s a net negative on the court and the pacers have been trying to dump him for over a year. He shouldn’t see the floor here over Nesmith, period. That’s the holdup IMO, Pacers trying to pawn him off on us and DA doesn’t want him


He is actually the Pacers best =/- guy of rotation players +3.8. Turner is not great +0.7. Doug is good rotation player but not a great defender and I think Ainge is looking for a trade asset like Warren or Oladipo, nobody wants McDermot in a deal.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1880 » by Jammer » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:03 pm

Jammer wrote:Getting McDermott puts Doug and Grant WIlliams at PF,
Tatum and Aaron Nesmith at SF,
Brown and Smart at SG,
Walker and Smart/Pritchard at PG,
and you are looking at undersized centers in Theis, Williams III and Potentially Turner.


I still believe Indiana has to take Edwards, give back a 1rst Round pick that actually conveys, and even then, the Celtics may be looking to dump more salary like Langford if they want to be able to add a veteran at the deadline, should they NEED one or the right one frees up and is willing to come.

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