Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[AgentGreen]

How many ways directly or indirectly has bron **** us over the last decade......forms heat super team, gets k love, dominates east again w cavs, blocks us from getting AD, his agency gets Harrell to turn down more money from Charlotte and take a low ball from the lakers opening Hayward deal.....unreal

It's pathetic that he wants to be recognised as the GOAT. While he's orchestrating everything with Rich Paul and forcing championships by loading up his own team everytime.

Wouldn't surprise me if Rich and Lebron offered Harrell incentives below the table. Because why would he leave so much money on the table when he's entering his prime?

[Darth Celtic]

How could I possibly give you an answer to a hypothetical that only danny ainge is privy to with knowledge I could never attain?

He had 3 years to read the room on hayward and he read the wrong book.

he was hurt and way overpaid for 2.8 years of that with no value at all. We would have had to trade picks away to dump him for worse players.

It's not about the return. It's about the cap hold.

If danny can manage atleast to create a trade exception in the same area as hayward contract then I'll calm down.

But, we cant have 4 max cap holds (or close to max) which is what we would have if we had traded him for another max. We lost out on 25 m we were willing to keep. this season we can add 15m of "cap hold" with MLE and BLE. Next year another 5m. So that's like 5 m off of where we need to be. If he was that worried about cap holds he'd have just kept Kanter.

[reload141]

i'll take the bet with anyone, put money with mouth is or just admit you're just talking out the other end.

You can't bring your self to say that losing hayward for nothing is nothing short of a huge mistake.

Which means you're not really interested in playing with facts.

Drafting Yabusele was a mistake. Signing Hassan Whiteside would be a mistake.

Losing Hayward was part of the game. Trading him last year would have been a mistake because we actually had a punchers chance at a title if he was healthy (100% would have made the finals at least) and once you're past that point it's no longer in your hands to keep him.

Out of all the players Danny lost, Rozier was the only one we should have traded before he had the chance to leave.

Bingo

[StojkoVrankovic]

If you told Gordon Hayward after the season ended that he would get a 4/120million contract he would have laughed at you

Really?

Like with horford?

I don't think so. Sounds to me like a gm who can't read the market anymore.

or a gm that knows that market and isn't dumb enough to go over like Brand and Jordan did.

Bringing up Horford literally proves our **** point

I am tapping out

[themoneyteam2]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't be in the tax with Turner and McDermott and then not able to use the full MLE? I mean it's all gravy since Hayward decided to take the bag instead of going to Indy but I'm just wondering.

Cause avoiding the repeater tax and then next summer creating a max cap slot is better than having Myles Turner on his contract in my opinion.

[Half-Full]

How crazy would it and how crazy will people get here when the lakers get 18 next year....lose lebron, then retool back up around AD and win more in a few years before we ever get back to the finals.....lol

Oh wouldn't that be funny! I can see why just the thought of that brings out an "LOL."

[MaxwellSmart]

Ainge searching online for Euros now....6-8" Euros

[The Corey's]

i'll take the bet with anyone, put money with mouth is or just admit you're just talking out the other end.

You can't bring your self to say that losing hayward for nothing is nothing short of a huge mistake.

Which means you're not really interested in playing with facts.

Drafting Yabusele was a mistake. Signing Hassan Whiteside would be a mistake.

Losing Hayward was part of the game. Trading him last year would have been a mistake because we actually had a punchers chance at a title if he was healthy (100% would have made the finals at least) and once you're past that point it's no longer in your hands to keep him.

Out of all the players Danny lost, Rozier was the only one we should have traded before he had the chance to leave.

Lost.him for nothing.

Green teamers can't see it but that's just lol.

[The Corey's]

he was hurt and way overpaid for 2.8 years of that with no value at all. We would have had to trade picks away to dump him for worse players.

It's not about the return. It's about the cap hold.

If danny can manage atleast to create a trade exception in the same area as hayward contract then I'll calm down.

But, we cant have 4 max cap holds (or close to max) which is what we would have if we had traded him for another max. We lost out on 25 m we were willing to keep. this season we can add 15m of "cap hold" with MLE and BLE. Next year another 5m. So that's like 5 m off of where we need to be. If he was that worried about cap holds he'd have just kept Kanter.

It's danny job fit it all under the cap. Not gonna look through the threads but my guess is you weren't beating the drum of losing hayward for nothing and being fine with it before today.

[SMTBSI]

If you want to make constructive criticism, instead of posting for the 40 time in the last hour about how Ainge screwed up and the window is closed, there are a lot of interesting and difficult conversations that are now worth having.

For example, is there any possibility of moving Kemba for assets that align along Tatum and Brown's timeline? Would anyone take him on his contract? Could the FO handle the optics of taking a "step back" like that?

[AgentGreen]

Nothing still happened. Looks like all of our backup plans signed before Haywards departure.

[themoneyteam2]

Really?

Like with horford?

I don't think so. Sounds to me like a gm who can't read the market anymore.

or a gm that knows that market and isn't dumb enough to go over like Brand and Jordan did.

Bringing up Horford literally proves our **** point

I am tapping out

I've lost so many brain cells reading this thread today lol. It's the same 5 or 6 guys who agree with each other and were doing this same **** last summer when Horford signed with Philly lol.

Apparently the Sixers and Heat are now "demonstrably better" than the Celtics.

[BigTrade92]

You can blame Mike Zarren, Kevin Pritchard, Gordon Hayward, The Boston Media, Michael Jordan, The Hornets for making that ridiculous offer, Robyn Hayward, The makers of League of Legends etc...but just don't blame Danny Ainge for Hayward leaving for nothing because its not his fault! Its everyone elses!

This.

Ainge is become like the basketball GM version of Trump.

He could cut Tatum right now and he wouldn’t lose their confidence.

[themoneyteam2]

I am curious to hear if the Hornets offer was on the table since free agency began. I doubt Hayward opts out unless he knows he has a contract like that waiting for him.

Sucks to lose him for nothing but I can't even imagine the reaction if Ainge signed him to a similar deal. The same people crying all day about losing him would be crying about signing him to such a massive deal.

[The Corey's]

Really?

Like with horford?

I don't think so. Sounds to me like a gm who can't read the market anymore.

or a gm that knows that market and isn't dumb enough to go over like Brand and Jordan did.

Bringing up Horford literally proves our **** point

I am tapping out

I don't even know what your point is.

What a boring take to be fine with losing assets.

You people understand that not advocating for over paying depreciating assets and only advocating for getting something in return before they hit that point?

Am I in the god damn cuckoo's nest?

[BRUNiNHO91]

You can't bring your self to say that losing hayward for nothing is nothing short of a huge mistake.

Which means you're not really interested in playing with facts.

Drafting Yabusele was a mistake. Signing Hassan Whiteside would be a mistake.

Losing Hayward was part of the game. Trading him last year would have been a mistake because we actually had a punchers chance at a title if he was healthy (100% would have made the finals at least) and once you're past that point it's no longer in your hands to keep him.

Out of all the players Danny lost, Rozier was the only one we should have traded before he had the chance to leave.

Lost.him for nothing.

Green teamers can't see it but that's just lol.

Idk if you know this, but losing guys for nothing is usually how free agency works. Utah lost him for nothing. We lost Ray for nothing. Cleveland lost LeBron for nothing. Miami lost LeBron for nothing. Clippers lost Harrell for nothing. You see how it works? It's very simple.

[themoneyteam2]

You can blame Mike Zarren, Kevin Pritchard, Gordon Hayward, The Boston Media, Michael Jordan, The Hornets for making that ridiculous offer, Robyn Hayward, The makers of League of Legends etc...but just don't blame Danny Ainge for Hayward leaving for nothing because its not his fault! Its everyone elses!

This.

Ainge is become like the basketball GM version of Trump.

He could cut Tatum right now and he wouldn’t lose their confidence.

Highly doubt it but go off king! Slight difference between losing your best player by far and not paying a 30 yr a 4 yr $120 million deal.

But I'm sure you knew that...

[The Corey's]

or a gm that knows that market and isn't dumb enough to go over like Brand and Jordan did.

Bringing up Horford literally proves our **** point

I am tapping out

I've lost so many brain cells reading this thread today lol. It's the same 5 or 6 guys who agree with each other and were doing this same **** last summer when Horford signed with Philly lol.

Apparently the Sixers and Heat are now "demonstrably better" than the Celtics.

And it's the same 5.or 6 guys saying ainge is the next coming who didn't totally **** up his roster

Get over it man. Move on. Ainge is who we thought he was.

[themoneyteam2]

Drafting Yabusele was a mistake. Signing Hassan Whiteside would be a mistake.

Losing Hayward was part of the game. Trading him last year would have been a mistake because we actually had a punchers chance at a title if he was healthy (100% would have made the finals at least) and once you're past that point it's no longer in your hands to keep him.

Out of all the players Danny lost, Rozier was the only one we should have traded before he had the chance to leave.

Lost.him for nothing.

Green teamers can't see it but that's just lol.

Idk if you know this, but losing guys for nothing is usually how free agency works. Utah lost him for nothing. We lost Ray for nothing. Cleveland lost LeBron for nothing. Miami lost LeBron for nothing. Clippers lost Harrell for nothing. You see how it works? It's very simple.

And they would be the same ones bitchinggg if Ainge signed him to a massive 4 year deal that's why this is so funny to read.

[Darth Celtic]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't be in the tax with Turner and McDermott and then not able to use the full MLE? I mean it's all gravy since Hayward decided to take the bag instead of going to Indy but I'm just wondering.

Cause avoiding the repeater tax and then next summer creating a max cap slot is better than having Myles Turner on his contract in my opinion.

taking Turner and Mcdermott cut our MLE down to 5m or less if we wanted to avoid tax, routing Mcdermott to a team under the cap with a future first proably let us keep near full MLE this year.

30m means we'd have to take lamb, mcdermott, turner, and pay the tax this year with or without MLE of tax payer 5 m ish.

That's why neither team was doing him at 30m, it's way too much.