Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[big-shot-ROB]

Smart + picks + S&T Grant for TJ, Smith and Theis

[hugepatsfan]

All of these trades are absolutely horrible. Best decision is to stay put. We have a the best roster in the league. Let's get a competent coach.
Brogodon was hunted by Harde, Embiid and Butler through 2 series and you guys want to trade for freaking Trade Young and Anfernee Simmons?

I have no doubt this roster wins the ring with Udoka. Let's run it back one more year, it's still not the time to get crazy.

Don’t disagree with this for the most part. But you came back 15 minutes later with 4 different trades for Smart where none of them return a better player lol

[BleedGreen1989]

Do we know if Brad is firing Joe?

Despite what everyone says and the reactionary nature of our situation, I have serious doubts Joe is actually fired.

I bet Brad bolsters the staff and gives Joe a full off-season with this roster.

[snowman]

IMO, I am as mad and disappointed as the next Celtic fan about how this year is turning out. But Miami is no fluke. They were one three-point shot away from going to the finals last year and not us. Should we have beat them and everyone else this year, on paper, a strong yes. But as the clique goes, that's why the games are played. With that being said, Micheal Jordan was 28 when he won his first title. Tatum will be 26 and Brown 27 next year. This is not the time to split them up, but the time to lock them up long term under team control, so the team has a say when and where to split them up at a later date if they deem necessary. The off season to do list for Brad is a long one, but very doable.

The two most important items:
1) lock Brown up to the super max.
2) find at least two vet assistances to help Joe navigate the season and playoffs next season.

The next most important items:
3) make a decision on Smart. He is not a shooting guard, and his decision making and emotional level work directly against each other making him a dysfunctional point guard. He is like the chicken or the egg. Which came first? When the team is hitting its shots and moving the ball, he looks like a great pg. But is he the reason the ball is moving or the by product? When the ball is not, and he is trying to change the momentum by himself, he looks like a dirty flopper who is trying to make the highlight pass and instead makes another turnover. I agree with the above poster that said that Smart will not except a "demotion" to the bench. So, again, IMO, considering he is going to be 30 years old this upcoming season, it's probably time for a trade.
4) make a decision on Grant Williams. He is too short to play PF, and not athletic enough to play SF, yet he is smart enough to stay in front of most any offensive player. The man is a tremendous three-point shooter and low post player, but as with Smart above, his mouth and emotions cause him to stop playing under control. He, however, will just be 25 next year, and I think, if the price is reasonable, like under 15 mil a year, then bring him back, but have him work with an emotional coach this off season.

The easy decisions:
5)Bring back Tatum (never a question in my mind), Rob (again, never a question, except I would start him instead of Al in our one big lineups), Al (at 37, it's time to bring Al off the bench next season), White (if we move Smart, then start White at the point), Brogdon, (is still the best 6th man in the league) Hauser (good cheap contract) pick up Muscala's option (good cheap contract) and bring back Kornet, (another cheap contract).

The harder decisions:
6) What to do with Gallo largely depends on his health. We should know by the spring if he will be able to go.
7) Do we keep Griffin, or use his roster spot on a younger project big. I, for one, have been of the idea of using his spot for Kabengele.
8) Trade Pritchard? If we move Smart, is there room for him, or do we bring in JD to replace him? If we can get value out of Pritchard, move him. I believe JD will be better in running the second team with Brogdon out of the two.
9) Find a backup, athletic SF to give Tatum and Brown some rest, and be a different look then Hauser.

Easy enough, right?

[big-shot-ROB]

All of these trades are absolutely horrible. Best decision is to stay put. We have a the best roster in the league. Let's get a competent coach.
Brogodon was hunted by Harde, Embiid and Butler through 2 series and you guys want to trade for freaking Trade Young and Anfernee Simmons?

I have no doubt this roster wins the ring with Udoka. Let's run it back one more year, it's still not the time to get crazy.

Don’t disagree with this for the most part. But you came back 15 minutes later with 4 different trades for Smart where none of them return a better player lol

Not better, but players that fix some of our holes. They provide better playmaking and orchestrating plus giving us insurance for Horf/Rob. I think Smart is pretty redundant with White and it also breaks the core by sending a message.

Trading Brown or Tatum would be nuts. More than half of the league is searching for that star wing and we have two of them. Let's give it 2-3 years until Tatum is right in his prime.

[ThePigeon]

Add a real big man with a decent inside playing ability (trade Smart, Grant, PP, picks) so we won't get stuck on offense looking for a contested 3.
Get a real coach. If you want inexperienced one - go for Rondo/Garnet or both. Coach should work all year on how to beat the zone.
Add a section in the contract of all players - each ref interaction will be fined $100K. I guess they will stop bickering and bitching to refs instead of continue playing

[Triple7]

IMO, I am as mad and disappointed as the next Celtic fan about how this year is turning out. But Miami is no fluke. They were one three-point shot away from going to the finals last year and not us. Should we have beat them and everyone else this year, on paper, a strong yes. But as the clique goes, that's why the games are played. With that being said, Micheal Jordan was 28 when he won his first title. Tatum will be 26 and Brown 27 next year. This is not the time to split them up, but the time to lock them up long term under team control, so the team has a say when and where to split them up at a later date if they deem necessary. The off season to do list for Brad is a long one, but very doable.

The two most important items:
1) lock Brown up to the super max.
2) find at least two vet assistances to help Joe navigate the season and playoffs next season.

The next most important items:
3) make a decision on Smart. He is not a shooting guard, and his decision making and emotional level work directly against each other making him a dysfunctional point guard. He is like the chicken or the egg. Which came first? When the team is hitting its shots and moving the ball, he looks like a great pg. But is he the reason the ball is moving or the by product? When the ball is not, and he is trying to change the momentum by himself, he looks like a dirty flopper who is trying to make the highlight pass and instead makes another turnover. I agree with the above poster that said that Smart will not except a "demotion" to the bench. So, again, IMO, considering he is going to be 30 years old this upcoming season, it's probably time for a trade.
4) make a decision on Grant Williams. He is too short to play PF, and not athletic enough to play SF, yet he is smart enough to stay in front of most any offensive player. The man is a tremendous three-point shooter and low post player, but as with Smart above, his mouth and emotions cause him to stop playing under control. He, however, will just be 25 next year, and I think, if the price is reasonable, like under 15 mil a year, then bring him back, but have him work with an emotional coach this off season.

The easy decisions:
5)Bring back Tatum (never a question in my mind), Rob (again, never a question, except I would start him instead of Al in our one big lineups), Al (at 37, it's time to bring Al off the bench next season), White (if we move Smart, then start White at the point), Brogdon, (is still the best 6th man in the league) Hauser (good cheap contract) pick up Muscala's option (good cheap contract) and bring back Kornet, (another cheap contract).

The harder decisions:
6) What to do with Gallo largely depends on his health. We should know by the spring if he will be able to go.
7) Do we keep Griffin, or use his roster spot on a younger project big. I, for one, have been of the idea of using his spot for Kabengele.
8) Trade Pritchard? If we move Smart, is there room for him, or do we bring in JD to replace him? If we can get value out of Pritchard, move him. I believe JD will be better in running the second team with Brogdon out of the two.
9) Find a backup, athletic SF to give Tatum and Brown some rest, and be a different look then Hauser.

Easy enough, right?

I agree with all except to bring back Joe, and just add vet assistants. What good will that be actually? Will Joe listen to them? I doubt there are good vet coaches out there willing to be Joe’s assistant.

[Larry_Russell]

With all the drama in Memphis lately. What might go down well there is some super great guys to surround Ja with.

An intelligent social activist in Brown
VP of Union Grant Williams
All around great guy Robert Williams.


Trade

Jaren Jackson Jr
Desmond Bane
Tillman
Cash


Follow up
Brogdon and Horford to Minny
McDaniels and Conley to Boston

Smart/Conley/Davidson
Bane/White/Begarin
Tatum/...../Hauser
McDaniels/Gallo/Tillman
JJJr/Muscala/Kornet

Pritchard and MLE for a backup SF

[RickyDizzle]

S&T jerami Grant and the #3 for jaylen

Smart/Scoot
White/Brogdon
Tatum
Grant
Timelord/Horford

[Larry_Russell]

to be done on draft night


Jaylen to Portland (Simons, #3 and #23 and a future 1st)

Horford and Smart to Dallas (Bullock and #10 pick)

#3 and #10 to Utah (Kessler and Markannen)

Kessler and Markannen and Simons and Bullock to Boston

Simons/Pritchard/Davidson
White/Brogdon/Begarin
Tatum/Bullock/Hauser
Markannen/Grant/Gallo
Timelord/Kessler

[Triple7]

S&T jerami Grant and the #3 for jaylen

Smart/Scoot
White/Brogdon
Tatum
Grant
Timelord/Horford

So you’re basically trading JB, an all nba player, straight up for jerami grant??? Hard pass! Who cares about the number 3 pick. If we don’t get better next season, JT will ask out next

[Larry_Russell]

Pritchard and Justin to Detroit (add depth PG, moves a glut of centers

Galo, Muscala to Brooklyn

Horford to Charlotte

DFS, Martin and Stewart to Boston


Smart/Brogdon
Brown/White
Tatum/Martin
D.F.S./GrantW
Timelord/Stewart

[Triple7]

Pritchard and Justin to Detroit (add depth PG, moves a glut of centers

Galo, Muscala to Brooklyn

Horford to Charlotte

DFS, Martin and Stewart to Boston


Smart/Brogdon
Brown/White
Tatum/Martin
D.F.S./GrantW
Timelord/Stewart

That’s ugly man. Shooting will be horrible with that roster. Still no post up player, no mid range game. No 3pt shooting. and no big to man the middle

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Could be right, but I expect Smart to be dealt...

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[Larry_Russell]

Pritchard and Justin to Detroit (add depth PG, moves a glut of centers

Galo, Muscala to Brooklyn

Horford to Charlotte

DFS, Martin and Stewart to Boston


Smart/Brogdon
Brown/White
Tatum/Martin
D.F.S./GrantW
Timelord/Stewart

That’s ugly man. Shooting will be horrible with that roster. Still no post up player, no mid range game. No 3pt shooting. and no big to man the middle

you are 100# right

Added to a thought someone posted on the trade board and I really like it personally.

Portland gets Brown and Pritchard

Toronto gets #3, Gallo and Muscala

Boston gets
Simons, Siakam

Simons/Brogdon/Davidson
Smart/White/Bergarin
Tatum/XXX/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Just need a backup SF and that team is COOKING

[Triple7]

Pritchard and Justin to Detroit (add depth PG, moves a glut of centers

Galo, Muscala to Brooklyn

Horford to Charlotte

DFS, Martin and Stewart to Boston


Smart/Brogdon
Brown/White
Tatum/Martin
D.F.S./GrantW
Timelord/Stewart

That’s ugly man. Shooting will be horrible with that roster. Still no post up player, no mid range game. No 3pt shooting. and no big to man the middle

you are 100# right

Added to a thought someone posted on the trade board and I really like it personally.

Portland gets Brown and Pritchard

Toronto gets #3, Gallo and Muscala

Boston gets
Simons, Siakam

Simons/Brogdon/Davidson
Smart/White/Bergarin
Tatum/XXX/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Just need a backup SF and that team is COOKING

That lineup is much better, but i personally have had enough of marcus smart. I’m fine with him as a bench player though. I’ll start white or brog instead.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I do like what perk said: try and trade Brown for Dame.

[Triple7]

I do like what perk said: try and trade Brown for Dame.

I’m fine with that. Move smart to te bench, or trade him and Rob for a good big.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I do like what perk said: try and trade Brown for Dame.

I’m fine with that. Move smart to te bench, or trade him and Rob for a good big.

I think they would put smart at center before they have him come off the bench lol

[hugepatsfan]

I'm probably overreacting to him playing well against us but what do people think of Gabe Vincent? MIA has some payroll constraints and maybe a full MLE offer could land him.

Trade White to BRK for DFS. This clears some salary for us.

Trade Smart to HOU for #20. They have cap space to absorb him and their fans were on board.

Use #33 to salary dump Gallo and move Pritchard to someone's cap space.

Sign Vincent to a full MLE deal. Re-sign Grant with bird rights. I think you can make that work under the $170M tax apron that tyou get hard capped at with full MLE. Our new top 8:

Vincent / Brogdon
Brown
Tatum / Hauser
DFS / Grant
RWilliams / Horford

Percentages can fluctuate year to year but I think Vincent/DFS is a catch and shoot upgrade over Smart/White for sure. The upgrade there makes up for the loss of shooting by swapping Rob back into the starting lineup over Horford to help with rebounding and add a rim protector. It also adds overall length defensively by going form two guard sized players to 1, with DFS taking one of those spots and allowing Brown to slide back down to SG.

I think this gives you a little clearer hierarchy on the team. Tatum is clearly your primary ball handler with Smart and White gone. Vincent is very comfortable being the PG next to a point forward type, and excels at spacing the floor for them and moving without the ball. Brogdon is the better player and would be in the closing lineup, but he can continue to come off the bench to balance the scoring in your lineups since you want him out there whenever one of Tatum or Brown sits.

We also get that #20 pick from HOU to take a crack at another rotation player.

It's not a siesmic shift to swap Smart/White for Vincent/DFS, but I think it might help round out the roster and settle everyone into roles.