Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Larry_Russell]

Let's not get carried away with Scoot. He's 6'2", not a good shooter, not a good defender and put up similar stats this season in the g league to JD Davison, who we picked 53rd in last year's draft.

Contending teams don't trade all-NBA players for lottery picks.

If we were gonna completely blow it up and go into rebuild mode, then sure - trade JB for Scoot. But that's not the case.

If you make a move like that, you mine as well trade Tatum for young players/picks while you're at it.

People are waaay over amped about what some of these guys are going to be.

I get it I’ve done it plenty too. And sometimes guys hit and are elite. But median outcome is the rookies discussed here are unlikely to be all stars

6foot2 with a 6foot9 winspan, ELITE athleticis. And ridiculously jacked.

Also is a great kid with a massive work ethic who is lethal with the midrange jumper and 78% from the ft line.

He doesnt have a broken jumper, just meeds a tweak.

He is as athlrtic as Ja and as good a shooter only much stronger.

[Hal14]

Let's not get carried away with Scoot. He's 6'2", not a good shooter, not a good defender and put up similar stats this season in the g league to JD Davison, who we picked 53rd in last year's draft.

Contending teams don't trade all-NBA players for lottery picks.

If we were gonna completely blow it up and go into rebuild mode, then sure - trade JB for Scoot. But that's not the case.

If you make a move like that, you mine as well trade Tatum for young players/picks while you're at it.

People are waaay over amped about what some of these guys are going to be.

I get it I’ve done it plenty too. And sometimes guys hit and are elite. But median outcome is the rookies discussed here are unlikely to be all stars

It’s just fun. Dead time of year and discussing the super likely run it back scenario isn’t gonna fill much time, lol. Obviously any of these guys can and do bust.

The one caveat in all of it to me is while JB is great, we do better when he’s off the court. Obviously there’s noise in that. But, I don’t think we’d miss him as much as people think. So it frees you up to make some moves that may seem bad on paper.

Oh I'm all for trading JB - if it's the right deal. I just don't think it's realistic that Brad would trade JB for a lottery pick.

There's been some JB trade rumors over the years - involving guys like AD, Kawhi, Harden, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD.

I doubt JB gets traded. If he does though, I would think it would be a deal like the ones above - for a proven star player.

If it happens this offseason, I could see perhaps a JB for Siakam or a JB for Trae swap..

[djFan71]

People are waaay over amped about what some of these guys are going to be.

I get it I’ve done it plenty too. And sometimes guys hit and are elite. But median outcome is the rookies discussed here are unlikely to be all stars

It’s just fun. Dead time of year and discussing the super likely run it back scenario isn’t gonna fill much time, lol. Obviously any of these guys can and do bust.

The one caveat in all of it to me is while JB is great, we do better when he’s off the court. Obviously there’s noise in that. But, I don’t think we’d miss him as much as people think. So it frees you up to make some moves that may seem bad on paper.

Oh I'm all for trading JB - if it's the right deal. I just don't think it's realistic that Brad would trade JB for a lottery pick.

There's been some JB trade rumors over the years - involving guys like AD, Kawhi, Harden, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD.

I doubt JB gets traded. If he does though, I would think it would be a deal like the ones above - for a proven star player.

If it happens this offseason, I could see perhaps a JB for Siakam or a JB for Trae swap..

Oh yeah, definitely. I know I'm in the super low chance range here but that super low chance exists based on the finances and will Brad be willing to supermax or not. I even doubt the Siakam/Trae level thing, honestly. Not enough improvement to be worth it even with the non-super savings. The top 2-5 pick thing is basically a roll of the dice that we can compete just as well with JB replaced by a few rotation players while adding the chance to gamble on a high upside guy that really changes the ceiling - if they hit.

Not what a normal business would do. But easy and fun for me at my keyboard.

[Hal14]

Let's not get carried away with Scoot. He's 6'2", not a good shooter, not a good defender and put up similar stats this season in the g league to JD Davison, who we picked 53rd in last year's draft.

Contending teams don't trade all-NBA players for lottery picks.

If we were gonna completely blow it up and go into rebuild mode, then sure - trade JB for Scoot. But that's not the case.

If you make a move like that, you mine as well trade Tatum for young players/picks while you're at it.

People are waaay over amped about what some of these guys are going to be.

I get it I’ve done it plenty too. And sometimes guys hit and are elite. But median outcome is the rookies discussed here are unlikely to be all stars

6foot2 with a 6foot9 winspan, ELITE athleticis. And ridiculously jacked.

Also is a great kid with a massive work ethic who is lethal with the midrange jumper and 78% from the ft line.

He doesnt have a broken jumper, just meeds a tweak.

He is as athlrtic as Ja and as good a shooter only much stronger.

Again, Scoot put up numbers this season that were comparable to JD Davison, who we picked 53rd in the draft last year - JD was better in quite a few categories. Scoot is a year younger but JD is 1" taller.

Contenders simply don't trade all-NBA players for draft picks. There's not really a precedence for it, that I'm aware of. Top 5 picks rarely get traded, and if they do, it's usually top 5 picks being traded for each other (Tatum for Fultz, Luka for Trae, Penny for Webber, etc.)

Again, I doubt JB gets traded and if he does, it would likely be for a proven star, imo. In the past, he's been rumored to be traded for Kawhi, Harden, AD, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD. Now that he's in his prime and coming off his first ever all-NBA team selection, we're gonna just move him for a draft pick who's played 0 NBA games? Just doesn't seem realistic to me at all. All the guys Brad has traded for in his 2 years in the front office have been at least 27 years old - would be very odd if he traded for a 19 yr old kid.

Scoot was 33% from 3 on the season. But only 25% over his last 20 games. Just 3/14 from 3 (21%) over his last 5 games. Not really trending in the right direction.

Scoot also missed nearly half the season with a knee injury. 6'2" guard who's already missing lots of games with a knee injury - yikes..

His athleticism is not on Ja's level, imo.

Lastly, his size does look like it hinders him quite a bit if you look at the defense section of this vid, at 13:47:

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

It’s just fun. Dead time of year and discussing the super likely run it back scenario isn’t gonna fill much time, lol. Obviously any of these guys can and do bust.

The one caveat in all of it to me is while JB is great, we do better when he’s off the court. Obviously there’s noise in that. But, I don’t think we’d miss him as much as people think. So it frees you up to make some moves that may seem bad on paper.

Oh I'm all for trading JB - if it's the right deal. I just don't think it's realistic that Brad would trade JB for a lottery pick.

There's been some JB trade rumors over the years - involving guys like AD, Kawhi, Harden, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD.

I doubt JB gets traded. If he does though, I would think it would be a deal like the ones above - for a proven star player.

If it happens this offseason, I could see perhaps a JB for Siakam or a JB for Trae swap..

Oh yeah, definitely. I know I'm in the super low chance range here but that super low chance exists based on the finances and will Brad be willing to supermax or not. I even doubt the Siakam/Trae level thing, honestly. Not enough improvement to be worth it even with the non-super savings. The top 2-5 pick thing is basically a roll of the dice that we can compete just as well with JB replaced by a few rotation players while adding the chance to gamble on a high upside guy that really changes the ceiling - if they hit.

Not what a normal business would do. But easy and fun for me at my keyboard.

We're not far off, though. We were in the finals 2 years ago. Up 2 games to 1. 2 wins from a championship.

This year, we were 1 game shy of the NBA finals and could have won it all if Tatum didn't sprain his ankle, rob wasn't puking all game (brogdon elbow injury, grant injured hand, JB injured wrist).

We had the #1 net rating in the league each of the past 2 seasons.

So we're not far off at all.

IMO, flipping JB for Siakam or flipping JB for Trae would make this team better. It would be enough to put us over the top, imo. I've already written long winded posts detailing why I think each of those trades would make our team better.

Then, maybe you make 1 or 2 small moves to upgrade the rest of the roster, you hire another 1 or 2 quality assistant coaches and you get banner 18 in 2024

[Floody100]

People are waaay over amped about what some of these guys are going to be.

I get it I’ve done it plenty too. And sometimes guys hit and are elite. But median outcome is the rookies discussed here are unlikely to be all stars

6foot2 with a 6foot9 winspan, ELITE athleticis. And ridiculously jacked.

Also is a great kid with a massive work ethic who is lethal with the midrange jumper and 78% from the ft line.

He doesnt have a broken jumper, just meeds a tweak.

He is as athlrtic as Ja and as good a shooter only much stronger.

Again, Scoot put up numbers this season that were comparable to JD Davison, who we picked 53rd in the draft last year - JD was better in quite a few categories. Scoot is a year younger but JD is 1" taller.

Contenders simply don't trade all-NBA players for draft picks. There's not really a precedence for it, that I'm aware of. Top 5 picks rarely get traded, and if they do, it's usually top 5 picks being traded for each other (Tatum for Fultz, Luka for Trae, Penny for Webber, etc.)

Again, I doubt JB gets traded and if he does, it would likely be for a proven star, imo. In the past, he's been rumored to be traded for Kawhi, Harden, AD, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD. Now that he's in his prime and coming off his first ever all-NBA team selection, we're gonna just move him for a draft pick who's played 0 NBA games? Just doesn't seem realistic to me at all. All the guys Brad has traded for in his 2 years in the front office have been at least 27 years old - would be very odd if he traded for a 19 yr old kid.

Scoot was 33% from 3 on the season. But only 25% over his last 20 games. Just 3/14 from 3 (21%) over his last 5 games. Not really trending in the right direction.

Scoot also missed nearly half the season with a knee injury. 6'2" guard who's already missing lots of games with a knee injury - yikes..

His athleticism is not on Ja's level, imo.

Lastly, his size does look like it hinders him quite a bit if you look at the defense section of this vid, at 13:47:

Watch on YouTube

Scoot’s 6’2, Davison’s 6’1.

[Larry_Russell]

Compar83ng scoot to davidson is **** dumb.

[flintsky21]

Siakam would be sooooo incredible in this team. You take someone that can essentially replace JB's scoring point by point, but is bigger, better and more versatile defender, and better passer and playmaker. Not to mention lesser turnovers. He'd also fill a huge need, which is scoring from the 4/5 position (the trio of Al/Grant/Rob is probably the worst scoring "bigs" trio in the league). He'd also certainly be a much better fit with Tatum because there wouldn't be as much overlapping in roles.

I just don't know if Toronto wants if JB. Maybe the 3-way with Atlanta that has been widely suggested could get it done. In that case, I'd also be interested in prying away Gary Trent for Smart (maybe another 3-way where Smart ends up elsewhere). Gary Trent has flaws but he's a gunner and a true 2-guard.

Timelord / Horford
Siakam / Gallinari
Tatum / Hauser
Trent / Brogdon
White / (Pritchard? Davison?)

[Hal14]

Compar83ng scoot to davidson is **** dumb.

Woah, relax dude. Jeez lol.

I didn't make a direct 1 to 1 comparison. I didn't say they were the same player. I'm simply saying that their stats this season (playing in the same league) were comparable, and JD was better in quite a few categories.



They both have strong build, both very athletic. JD was a projected lottery pick (some mocks even had him top 10) prior to his freshman season at Alabama, where the coach didn't use him the right way.

Never said JD is as good as Scoot. Just saying that there's quite a few similarities Scoot has to the guy we picked 53rd in the draft last year - so let's try to be realistic here and not overhype Scoot - a 6'2" guard who just missed almost half the season with a knee injury.

Again, it's probably a moot point because JB is unlikely to get traded and if he does, it'd probably be for a proven star - not an unproven draft pick.

Plus, Charlotte isn't trading the 2nd pick and there's a good chance they draft Scoot with that pick. Reports are saying Charlotte is gonna pick Miller but I take that with a grain of salt - last year Woj said the morning of the draft that orlando was gonna take Jabari Smith lol. Also, no guarantee Portland trades the 3rd pick either - people were saying last year that Portland was gonna trade the 7th pick but they didn't - they kept the pick and took Sharpe.

[Hal14]

6foot2 with a 6foot9 winspan, ELITE athleticis. And ridiculously jacked.

Also is a great kid with a massive work ethic who is lethal with the midrange jumper and 78% from the ft line.

He doesnt have a broken jumper, just meeds a tweak.

He is as athlrtic as Ja and as good a shooter only much stronger.

Again, Scoot put up numbers this season that were comparable to JD Davison, who we picked 53rd in the draft last year - JD was better in quite a few categories. Scoot is a year younger but JD is 1" taller.

Contenders simply don't trade all-NBA players for draft picks. There's not really a precedence for it, that I'm aware of. Top 5 picks rarely get traded, and if they do, it's usually top 5 picks being traded for each other (Tatum for Fultz, Luka for Trae, Penny for Webber, etc.)

Again, I doubt JB gets traded and if he does, it would likely be for a proven star, imo. In the past, he's been rumored to be traded for Kawhi, Harden, AD, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD. Now that he's in his prime and coming off his first ever all-NBA team selection, we're gonna just move him for a draft pick who's played 0 NBA games? Just doesn't seem realistic to me at all. All the guys Brad has traded for in his 2 years in the front office have been at least 27 years old - would be very odd if he traded for a 19 yr old kid.

Scoot was 33% from 3 on the season. But only 25% over his last 20 games. Just 3/14 from 3 (21%) over his last 5 games. Not really trending in the right direction.

Scoot also missed nearly half the season with a knee injury. 6'2" guard who's already missing lots of games with a knee injury - yikes..

His athleticism is not on Ja's level, imo.

Lastly, his size does look like it hinders him quite a bit if you look at the defense section of this vid, at 13:47:

Watch on YouTube

Scoot’s 6’2, Davison’s 6’1.

JD is 6'3"

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2022/vegas/team/1610612738/celtics

[djFan71]

Oh I'm all for trading JB - if it's the right deal. I just don't think it's realistic that Brad would trade JB for a lottery pick.

There's been some JB trade rumors over the years - involving guys like AD, Kawhi, Harden, Beal, Lillard, Simmons, KD.

I doubt JB gets traded. If he does though, I would think it would be a deal like the ones above - for a proven star player.

If it happens this offseason, I could see perhaps a JB for Siakam or a JB for Trae swap..

Oh yeah, definitely. I know I'm in the super low chance range here but that super low chance exists based on the finances and will Brad be willing to supermax or not. I even doubt the Siakam/Trae level thing, honestly. Not enough improvement to be worth it even with the non-super savings. The top 2-5 pick thing is basically a roll of the dice that we can compete just as well with JB replaced by a few rotation players while adding the chance to gamble on a high upside guy that really changes the ceiling - if they hit.

Not what a normal business would do. But easy and fun for me at my keyboard.

We're not far off, though. We were in the finals 2 years ago. Up 2 games to 1. 2 wins from a championship.

This year, we were 1 game shy of the NBA finals and could have won it all if Tatum didn't sprain his ankle, rob wasn't puking all game (brogdon elbow injury, grant injured hand, JB injured wrist).

We had the #1 net rating in the league each of the past 2 seasons.

So we're not far off at all.

IMO, flipping JB for Siakam or flipping JB for Trae would make this team better. It would be enough to put us over the top, imo. I've already written long winded posts detailing why I think each of those trades would make our team better.

Then, maybe you make 1 or 2 small moves to upgrade the rest of the roster, you hire another 1 or 2 quality assistant coaches and you get banner 18 in 2024

Oh, I’ve proposed Siakam trades as well, just don’t think they’re likely either from front office perspective

[snowman]

Note to Brad:

Your job this summer is to:
1) Resign Brown.
2) S&T Grant (12.5 per if you can) to Detroit for Bagley. Bagley makes 12.5 for the next 2 years, so perfect money match if you can get it done.
3) Trade Pritchard (let him go back home) and Kornet to Portland for Cam Reddish (Brad loves reclamation projects). Reddish along with Hauser can hold down the back up SF spot to give Tatum some rest.
4) sign both Davison and Kabengele to regular contracts to replace Pritchard and Kornet.

Tell Mazzulla to go back to the two big lineup. We played much better with that style lineup. Start Bagley along with Rob, Tatum, Brown, and Smart. This allows us to have White, Brogdon, Reddish, Muscala and Horford be the 2nd unit. Then we monitor Gallo to see if he can still get up and down the court and if not trade him at the deadline for a longer but cheaper contract.

Smart, Brown, Tatum, Bagley III, RW III
White, Brogdon, Reddish, Muscala, Horford
Davison, Hauser, Gallo, Kabengele with a spot left over for a FA or a draft and stash to come over.
Three open 2-way spots.

[Fierce1]

It's time the Cs stop messing around.

The need for a quality big man is a must if Banner 18 is the goal.

The Celtic offense will be more balanced with an inside threat.

Just look at how Denver made the Heat zone ineffective by having multiple points of attack.

[gammajamma]

My turn for unrealistic trade proposal triple down on the softness

Towns

For
Brogdon
Grant
Pritchard
24 first
26 first

Minnesota get role players to play along ant and gobert

[Fierce1]

My turn for unrealistic trade proposal triple down on the softness

Towns

For
Brogdon
Grant
Pritchard
24 first
26 first

Minnesota get role players to play along ant and gobert

Minny would want Smart instead of Brogs.

[Fierce1]

If KAT is available, Cs should pursue him.

[zoyathedestroya]

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I'm thinking about this. And only reason why is cos Al Horford, fellow Dominican, is with the Cs and can mentor him.

[Darthlukey]

If KAT is available, Cs should pursue him.

Kat could be amazing in the right locker room, but I dont think Joe is the guy to light that fire

[ILC]

Hah. Well we can forget any Damian Lillard ideas. Have to remember Boston isn't really a destination for a lot of the guys.

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I don’t think Dame’s coming here either but Chris Haynes has as about as much info as you & I on what’s going on with Lillard.

What?

Haynes is by far the closest reporter to Dame, his literal mouthpiece

[La Flame]

If KAT can be had without Brown, you pursue that trade relentlessly.