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2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

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With the Draft going to 2 Days. Would you like to see a 3rd Round added, for Two-Ways, etc?

Add a 3rd Round.
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Keep it at 2 Rounds.
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Add more than a 3rd Round.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1861 » by keevsnick1 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:32 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
keevsnick1 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Kel'el Ware regressed last year, starting with his free throw shooting, which was barely 60%. Why draft someone like that when you already have Queta?

I'm guessing that Stevens has a player or two in mind that people here have never heard of, and one of them will be an athletic 3 and d wing.


Players who are true 7 footers with 7'5 wingspans, good finishers at the rim with the potential to shoot and protect the rim are EXTREMELY hard to find. He has a pretty soft touch of the three, I think he can develop that three into something that has to be guarded.


Queta measured 6'11.25” barefoot, 7'0.5” in shoes 9'4.5” standing reach, 248.4 lbs, and 7'4.0” wingspan at the 2021 NBA Draft Combine.

And oh, by the way, you don't have to give up a thing to get him and he's proven that he can play in the NBA.


He played 28 games at 12 minutes a game last year. Queta has proved literally nothing. I actually like Queta, i think he's perfectly fine as an end of bench flyer type guy. Like his size, like his energy. Could turn into a rotation big type. He's also turning 25 in about a month and has never taken an NBA 3.

Ware and him are about the same size, but a guy whop has a chance of being a legit floor spacer and is 20 is just has a much higher upside.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1862 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:41 pm

Ware took a grand total of 40 treys last year (and made 17). That's a pretty small sample size to annoint him as a "legit floor spacer." He's just someone's shiny new toy.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1863 » by djFan71 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:06 pm

https://nbadraftroom.com/2024-mock-draft-update/

Out West we’re just entering wildfire season but there’s already plenty of smoke in the air in NBA Draft circles. At this time of year it’s hard to differentiate reality from illusion and so all rumors should be taken with a sense of suspicion.

Nevertheless, some of the rumors and rumblings about the 2024 NBA Draft will turn out to be true. So let’s take a look at some of the more likely ones:

Cody Williams Won’t Last Until No.10

Mock drafts have been all over the place with Cody Williams. I went from having him at no.1 overall mid season to dropping him out of the top 10 at one point. Now his arrow is pointing up again. Rumors are that teams in the 5-10 range are high on Williams and he’s likely to be drafted in that range.

Donovan Clingan To The Hawks

The two Frenchmen have been the most consistently mocked players to the Hawks at no.1 but rumors are that the team is very high on Clingan and could take him with the first pick. Head coach Quin Snyder had a lot of success with a similar big, lumbering, shot-blocking big man in Utah when he coached Rudy Gobert and he could be lobbying for the team to draft Clingan.

Teams Intrigued By Carlton Carrington

One of the youngest players in the draft, Carrington has a wide draft range, from late lottery to late first round. But rumors are that teams in the top half of the first round are high on him. I have him rated a bit lower but don’t be surprised to see his name called in the 14-20 range.

Enrique Freeman Is A Hot Name

The combo forward from Akron flew under the radar all season long but has had a strong draft season and is a hot name. He’s gone from being a fringe draft pick to someone who could crash the first round, or at least go early second round.

Tyler Kolek To The Suns

If Tyler Kolek is available at no.22 the Suns could run to the podium to draft the feisty point guard from Marquette. Kolek’s agent (Mark Bartelstein) is the father of Josh Bartelstein, the Sun’s CEO. Kolek is also a great fit for the team as as player who can come in and contribute to winning from day one. Bronny James has also been working out for the Suns but that selection would only seem to make sense if there’s a package deal for LeBron.

Matas Buzelis To The Pistons

Another father/son connection is Buzelis’ agent Michael Tellem who is the son of Pistons Vice Chairman Art Tellem. Buzelis would also be a good fit in Detroit, especially if you trust that his shooting will pan out.

Sometimes it’s just smoke. But you know what they say: “where there’s smoke there’s fire.”


Take it for what it's worth.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1864 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:11 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Ware took a grand total of 40 treys last year (and made 17). That's a pretty small sample size to annoint him as a "legit floor spacer." He's just someone's shiny new toy.

He didn't him as anoint a legit floor spacer. He simply said Ware "has a chance of being a legit floor spacer and is 20", which is true.

He has a chance.

The FT% might be suspect and the 3PA volume isn't great but Ware has shown the ability to hit 3's in HS (in his 36 games prior to college he shot 39.3% from 3 which is unheard of for a 7-footer at the HS level), he hit 3's during his freshman season at Oregon and he hit 3's during his sophomore season at Indiana (his 3 FG% improved from 27% to 42% from freshman to sophomore season).

Neither school (especially Indiana) typically lets their bigs shoot from 3..that's just not the system they run. But his % has been good and his form/mechanics on his 3 ball are pretty smooth.

And his touch on shots near the basket and in the mid range are also 10x better than Queta's..
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1865 » by Dogen » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:13 pm

What a weird draft when Donovan Clingan might be the #1 pick. I'll bet there will be several finds in late 1st and 2nd round with a better career. Let's get one!
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1866 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:24 pm

I really like what Philly is projected to do at 49.
Pick Forfeited, that guy kicks ass, one of my 24 Draft Sleepers...
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1867 » by neno » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:28 pm

Seems Ware is a high skill level and low motor guy
wasn't that mark blount?
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1868 » by Cuban Pete » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:32 pm

165bows wrote:
Dogen wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:This analyst has some fans on this board. Here is his new mock draft that just dropped:

https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/2024-nba-mock-draft



Ersin definitely marches to the beat of his own mock drummer. Some of the picks we think will be there for the Celtics at #30 are long gone, and some of the guys we hope slip to 30, slip right past Boston into the mid-second.

And whose he got at #30? AJ Johnson, a 19 year-old point guard playing in New Zealand. Has AJ even been mentioned here?

6'5, 167lbs. Long, skinny and fast -- I'd like to see a guy like this on the team. But I don't get the match for current roster construction, particularly, unless the Celtics want to use that pick to develop a young PG for the future. Brad would need to see something pretty special, one would think.

Priority this summer is the Tatum and White extensions. Draft is important, but I still assume there will be the extensions, then evaluating our current young guys like Tillman, Springer, (Queta, Walsh?), and the possibility of minor trade or move to shore up the 7-10 roster spots with some vet help.

So using this draft to add to the stockpile of young talent isn't too far fetched. Maybe not the "steal of the draft" but Johnson might fit the bill to develop behind Holiday and White over the next few years.





And he made it out of Fresno, extra points for that.

Didn’t much of anything about this guy until recently, I as sort of planned on writing him off. Not sure who he reminds me of physically. Sort of a Delon Wright body type where he’s pretty tall and really narrow as a guard not sure who is a better comparison.


I can imagine how his interview will work out...

"AJ Johnson's the name. Now you can call me 'A' or you can call me 'J' or you can call me 'AJ', but you don't have to call me a terrible shooter."
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1869 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:34 pm

I said I wanted boston to trade up three weeks ago...... And ninety nine percent Said we would not trade up.. Might trade down..Stevens doesn't draft 1st rd picks etc..

I was the only man standing.. Now it hasn't happened yet.. But the idea of trading up is to get a player on a higher tier level.. Getting any pics in the lower twenties gives us a chance to get a player who might contribute next year and be a starter for the years going forward..

Almost impossible to get that with all the late first and second round draft picks.. We don't need any marginal NB.A talent.. trade up and get A potential solid starting level player..

The. Better of Ware Holmes Flipowski Edey all might be there..
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1870 » by brackdan70 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:49 pm

playa-hater wrote:I said I wanted boston to trade up three weeks ago...... And ninety nine percent Said we would not trade up.. Might trade down..Stevens doesn't draft 1st rd picks etc..

I was the only man standing.. Now it hasn't happened yet.. But the idea of trading up is to get a player on a higher tier level.. Getting any pics in the lower twenties gives us a chance to get a player who might contribute next year and be a starter for the years going forward..

Almost impossible to get that with all the late first and second round draft picks.. We don't need any marginal NB.A talent.. trade up and get A potential solid starting level player..

The. Better of Ware Holmes Flipowski Edey all might be there..

I feel like if there is a dude worth trading up for then give it shot. The 4 bigs you mentioned seems like they might fit the bill.
However if you feel you can get an equivalent player in the second round then trade down .
I think this draft trading up might make sense, but Brad rarely listens to me.
I would be hesitant to trade out of the 25 or 26 draft though. Those look really solid.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1871 » by djFan71 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:57 pm

playa-hater wrote:I said I wanted boston to trade up three weeks ago...... And ninety nine percent Said we would not trade up.. Might trade down..Stevens doesn't draft 1st rd picks etc..

I was the only man standing.. Now it hasn't happened yet.. But the idea of trading up is to get a player on a higher tier level.. Getting any pics in the lower twenties gives us a chance to get a player who might contribute next year and be a starter for the years going forward..

Almost impossible to get that with all the late first and second round draft picks.. We don't need any marginal NB.A talent.. trade up and get A potential solid starting level player..

The. Better of Ware Holmes Flipowski Edey all might be there..

Cmon now, I've proposed trading up for Da Silva and Holmes many times.

To me its (in order of preference)
- Trade up for a guy you REALLY love.
- Hope someone you like falls to 30
- Trade back and take 2 stabs at lotto tix that could hit.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1872 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:50 am

Put me down for Jonathan Mogbo, Isaiah Crawford or Enrique Freeman: all big wings who defend.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1873 » by playa-hater » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:01 am

djFan71 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I said I wanted boston to trade up three weeks ago...... And ninety nine percent Said we would not trade up.. Might trade down..Stevens doesn't draft 1st rd picks etc..

I was the only man standing.. Now it hasn't happened yet.. But the idea of trading up is to get a player on a higher tier level.. Getting any pics in the lower twenties gives us a chance to get a player who might contribute next year and be a starter for the years going forward..

Almost impossible to get that with all the late first and second round draft picks.. We don't need any marginal NB.A talent.. trade up and get A potential solid starting level player..

The. Better of Ware Holmes Flipowski Edey all might be there..

Cmon now, I've proposed trading up for Da Silva and Holmes many times.

To me its (in order of preference)
- Trade up for a guy you REALLY love.
- Hope someone you like falls to 30
- Trade back and take 2 stabs at lotto tix that could hit.


Tell you what, I need a Good running mate. You can be the Vice President of the trade up Club.. 8-) :nod:
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1874 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:28 am

playa-hater wrote:I said I wanted boston to trade up three weeks ago...... And ninety nine percent Said we would not trade up.. Might trade down..Stevens doesn't draft 1st rd picks etc..

I was the only man standing.. Now it hasn't happened yet.. But the idea of trading up is to get a player on a higher tier level.. Getting any pics in the lower twenties gives us a chance to get a player who might contribute next year and be a starter for the years going forward..

Almost impossible to get that with all the late first and second round draft picks.. We don't need any marginal NB.A talent.. trade up and get A potential solid starting level player..

The. Better of Ware Holmes Flipowski Edey all might be there..

I have never been opposed to trading up. I have simply said that it's probably not realistic - based on Brad's history over the past 3 years and based on the history of pretty much every contender over the past 10 or so years.

Out of those 4 bigs, Ware and Flip intrigue me the most. Edey and then Holmes are a tier below them for me.

I'd love it if we somehow got Ware or Flip. I just don't know how realistic it is..

Ware has some Porzingis to him. In terms of the size, being tall..and kind of skinny. Can hit pick n pop 3's. But also catch lobs..rebound, protect the rim, has some pretty good passing/playmaking chops..some solid low post moves, good touch near the basket and in the mid range.

I know people critique Ware about his motor, but honestly I think those criticisms are a bit overblown - I think it might just look like he lacks motor because the way he plays..he looks smooth..makes it look easy in terms of a lot of the plays he makes and flow fluid he moves for a 7-footer. A guy like Clingan, Edey or Holmes, it might look like they have more of a motor, but imo those guys are much less fluid - they often look like they are really laboring up and down the floor and just don't look as natural putting the ball on the floor, shooting it, sliding their feet, etc.

Oh and that entire last paragraph - I'm pretty sure people have described Porzingis like that before.

I said it before in this thread (was awhile ago, like early in the college basketball season, I think) but if Ware really hits and develops nicely, he *could maybe* play a role that is basically the same role as KP played for us this season. I'm not saying Ware would be as good. But the role could be similar (offense - pick n pop 3's, post ups, catch lobs, operate out of the elbow/high post area to either shoot, run DHO, set screens, dribble it into a post up, hit cutters, etc. and defense just be a regular drop coverage big, roaming and protecting the rim) And KP could help to mentor Ware, show him the ropes, teach him some moves, etc.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1875 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:42 am

Tankathon 31-35 is a pretty good run right now. Scheierman, Dunn, Dadiet, Mccullar (who I’m not sure they would go after), and AJ Johnson.

A couple stash type guys and role guys. I like those better than their last five in the first of Kolek, Smith, Holmes, Tyson and Klintman.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1876 » by Kalela » Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:10 am

Dogen wrote:What a weird draft when Donovan Clingan might be the #1 pick. I'll bet there will be several finds in late 1st and 2nd round with a better career. Let's get one!


If he declared last year, he would have gone undrafted or late 2nd round at best.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1877 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:17 am

Dogen wrote:What a weird draft when Donovan Clingan might be the #1 pick. I'll bet there will be several finds in late 1st and 2nd round with a better career. Let's get one!

The NBA: It's a shooter's league now.
Also the NBA: let's draft a complete non shooter with availability issues with the #1 pick.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1878 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:04 am

Kolek to the Suns is not surprising. They may view him as a Nash type player and they had Dragic too,
whom he is compared to...

Tankathon has Filipowski at 20 and that may be where the Celtics have to trade up to,
if they want him. 2024 & 2026 (Lottery Protected) Firsts along with the best of Boston's 2025 Seconds to move up?
That may or may not be enough, but I suspect to trade up in the Draft is going to be more costly than what people think.

I'm all in favor of paying the draft costs and moving up for a player who can have an immediate and lasting impact,
especially with the Celtics so taxed out and options at improving limited...
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1879 » by RickyDizzle » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:27 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Kolek to the Suns is not surprising. They may view him as a Nash type player and they had Dragic too,
whom he is compared to...

Tankathon has Filipowski at 20 and that may be where the Celtics have to trade up to,
if they want him. 2024 & 2026 (Lottery Protected) Firsts along with the best of Boston's 2025 Seconds to move up?
That may or may not be enough, but I suspect to trade up in the Draft is going to be more costly than what people think.

I'm all in favor of paying the draft costs and moving up for a player who can have an immediate and lasting impact,
especially with the Celtics so taxed out and options at improving limited...


So trade 3 firsts and a 2nd to move from 30 to 20? Yikes.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27) 

Post#1880 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:45 pm

RickyDizzle wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Kolek to the Suns is not surprising. They may view him as a Nash type player and they had Dragic too,
whom he is compared to...

Tankathon has Filipowski at 20 and that may be where the Celtics have to trade up to,
if they want him. 2024 & 2026 (Lottery Protected) Firsts along with the best of Boston's 2025 Seconds to move up?
That may or may not be enough, but I suspect to trade up in the Draft is going to be more costly than what people think.

I'm all in favor of paying the draft costs and moving up for a player who can have an immediate and lasting impact,
especially with the Celtics so taxed out and options at improving limited...


So trade 3 firsts and a 2nd to move from 30 to 20? Yikes.


The 30th pick, a second rounder and a Lottery Protected Pick are not 3 Firsts - And it's expensive to move up in the Draft, especially 10 spots.

Ask Danny Ainge...

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