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Post#1861 » by Fierce1 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:00 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:A good start for the Spurs would be to offer a package centered around Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson to Miami for Jimmy.

Spurs can sweeten the deal with draft picks.

Why the heck do the Spurs want Jimmy Butler? Spurs have a 20 year old superstar, that last thing they should be doing is giving up assets for a 35 year old borderline all-star.

It's a win now move.

Besides, Barnes is not part of the long term plans and Keldon is expensive for a bench player.

Spurs already have Vassell.

CP3 and Butler combined with the other young guys could make some noise in the playoffs.
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Post#1862 » by Fierce1 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:10 pm

Miami player Dru Smith torn ACL.

Another player with a major injury.

Forget the Cavs or Knicks, injury will be the biggest obstacle to a repeat.
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Post#1863 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:30 pm

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Shak_Celts wrote:I’m not telling the Spurs to rush their growth all the way, because I was happy the Celtics didn’t, but I still think they need to get a little active on the trade market. Settle on a core early, we did with the jays and Smart. Even though it’s his second season, I think it’s time to get some blue chips in there, at least one.

We did keep our core together and let them build, but there wasn’t one season, after finding out what the Jays had (JT rook and JB 2nd season), where they didn’t try to bring in an excellent player. Injuries said try lotto, not me, but they definitely kept bringing in the big guns.

Spurs did a lil something this offseason with CP3 and Barnes, but Celtics weren’t bringing in guys who weren’t doing big things on their teams the season prior. No disrespect, but CP3 isn’t even OKC CP3 and Barnes only averaged 12pts per last season, he hasn’t had over 16 since he played a half season w/ Dallas in 18-19. They are okay players, but I need them to try for star players NOW!

I typed this out, but now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t even know who they could get. I see people saying Fox, but I wonder what they’d have to give up. That may dig into what I think their core is, which is Wemby, Vassell, and Castle. I would add Sochan too, but I don’t think people rate him as I do.

I don’t know what it would take to get Fox, but I’d do it if I had the chance. You see what a CP3 can do with Wemby. Imagine Fox consistently getting into the paint or getting the ball to Wemby, that’s going to be nice. It will be Lob City and less threes for Wemby. It looks like CP3 can’t get inside enough to give the looks Wemby could use, often. Maybe he can and they’re choosing mid range for CP3 and letting wemby pop for three? I don’t know.

I don’t even have any idea of guys that will be coming up in the next two seasons that they should wait for either. I’m in here thinking about all the teams, but it feels like everybody has locked their young stars up. I don’t want them to get anybody who can’t last a few seasons either.


The Celtics stripped the core down to simply the two Jays, who were only a year apart in age. I don't see how that's a model for what you're suggesting.

Also, who do you see as recent dynasties? Golden State? San Antonio? In both cases the core was entirely drafted by the team. Shaq/Kobe Lakers can be seen as an exception, however; Laker cores tend to consist of perimeter players they drafted plus a center who wants to live in Los Angeles.


Celtics literally kept their core, which I said. They let them grow. They recently gave up Smart after years of letting them grow together. I know they kept sending out the others, which I also said, they kept going after the big guns but injuries derailed it every time… until last season. I don’t get what you’re asking, I said I want them to keep their core together like we did! I wanted to add Sochan to their core but I feel like I’d be pushing it. That’s why I asked what it would take to get Fox and was hoping they had something that could work other than those core guys I mentioned.


If you think Fox would be secondary to Wemby, Castle, Sochan, et al. -- much as Jrue is for the Celtics now -- then cool.

If you see him as part of the Spurs' core, then I don't think he fits the models I was highlighting.
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Post#1864 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Dec 25, 2024 2:07 am

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The Celtics stripped the core down to simply the two Jays, who were only a year apart in age. I don't see how that's a model for what you're suggesting.

Also, who do you see as recent dynasties? Golden State? San Antonio? In both cases the core was entirely drafted by the team. Shaq/Kobe Lakers can be seen as an exception, however; Laker cores tend to consist of perimeter players they drafted plus a center who wants to live in Los Angeles.


Celtics literally kept their core, which I said. They let them grow. They recently gave up Smart after years of letting them grow together. I know they kept sending out the others, which I also said, they kept going after the big guns but injuries derailed it every time… until last season. I don’t get what you’re asking, I said I want them to keep their core together like we did! I wanted to add Sochan to their core but I feel like I’d be pushing it. That’s why I asked what it would take to get Fox and was hoping they had something that could work other than those core guys I mentioned.


If you think Fox would be secondary to Wemby, Castle, Sochan, et al. -- much as Jrue is for the Celtics now -- then cool.

If you see him as part of the Spurs' core, then I don't think he fits the models I was highlighting.

I’m not trying to build the Spurs into the Celtics. I’m trying to build around Wemby. Fox would definitely be a part of the Spurs core if they obtain him, he’s only 27.

Really, I don’t understand what you’re asking or if/how you’re disagreeing. Fox would be second to Wemby, I don’t think that’s a question. All I wanted to know is who they would have to give up to get him.

I only used the core of guys they could let grow together if they choose to stand pat. You can’t keep all of them if they acquire Fox, I don’t think, but that’s why I asked. If they don’t have to send one that would be great. Maybe they have enough good picks and other players to cobble together. I watch Wemby, I know nothing much about the Spurs.

I really don’t know who the Spurs could realistically get, I know I hope they don’t push chips for an old guy. I can’t think of one that would be right anyway.
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Post#1865 » by Tatumfor2 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 5:16 am

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Post#1866 » by phincsfan » Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:02 pm

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Celtics literally kept their core, which I said. They let them grow. They recently gave up Smart after years of letting them grow together. I know they kept sending out the others, which I also said, they kept going after the big guns but injuries derailed it every time… until last season. I don’t get what you’re asking, I said I want them to keep their core together like we did! I wanted to add Sochan to their core but I feel like I’d be pushing it. That’s why I asked what it would take to get Fox and was hoping they had something that could work other than those core guys I mentioned.


If you think Fox would be secondary to Wemby, Castle, Sochan, et al. -- much as Jrue is for the Celtics now -- then cool.

If you see him as part of the Spurs' core, then I don't think he fits the models I was highlighting.

I’m not trying to build the Spurs into the Celtics. I’m trying to build around Wemby. Fox would definitely be a part of the Spurs core if they obtain him, he’s only 27.

Really, I don’t understand what you’re asking or if/how you’re disagreeing. Fox would be second to Wemby, I don’t think that’s a question. All I wanted to know is who they would have to give up to get him.

I only used the core of guys they could let grow together if they choose to stand pat. You can’t keep all of them if they acquire Fox, I don’t think, but that’s why I asked. If they don’t have to send one that would be great. Maybe they have enough good picks and other players to cobble together. I watch Wemby, I know nothing much about the Spurs.

I really don’t know who the Spurs could realistically get, I know I hope they don’t push chips for an old guy. I can’t think of one that would be right anyway.


I can't see the Kings not asking for Castle in a deal for Fox.
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Post#1867 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:34 pm

Towns playing with playoff intensity in a regular season game!! Must-watch TV!

I know he's approaching 30, but Spurs should've gone after KAT after seeing some success with the KAT-Gobert pairing. Especially considering it didn't cost much to get him. Wolves just wanted to get out of tax hell.
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Post#1868 » by Bar Fight » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:09 pm

Wemby is incredible
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Post#1869 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:12 pm

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Post#1870 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:13 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Towns playing with playoff intensity in a regular season game!! Must-watch TV!

I know he's approaching 30, but Spurs should've gone after KAT after seeing some success with the KAT-Gobert pairing. Especially considering it didn't cost much to get him. Wolves just wanted to get out of tax hell.

Spurs should trade for KP once the Celtics offload him.
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Post#1871 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:18 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:Towns playing with playoff intensity in a regular season game!! Must-watch TV!

I know he's approaching 30, but Spurs should've gone after KAT after seeing some success with the KAT-Gobert pairing. Especially considering it didn't cost much to get him. Wolves just wanted to get out of tax hell.

Spurs should trade for KP once the Celtics offload him.

If Vic reaches his potential, that makes KP so much more valuable (health permitting) just for that matchup. How do you fight skinny, skilled 7-4? With skinny, skilled 7-3?

Parenthetically, people have said the existence of Shaq kept guys like Joe Kleine in the league 2-3 extra years cause teams needed beef on the bench to send in to foul Shaq. Maybe teams are gonna need guys with outlier length just for if they run into Wemby in a series
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Post#1872 » by SuperDeluxe » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:20 pm

At the moment, Wemby has twice as many points, rebounds and assists as KAT.
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Post#1873 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:24 pm

Knicks just continue to win games.
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Post#1874 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:24 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:Towns playing with playoff intensity in a regular season game!! Must-watch TV!

I know he's approaching 30, but Spurs should've gone after KAT after seeing some success with the KAT-Gobert pairing. Especially considering it didn't cost much to get him. Wolves just wanted to get out of tax hell.

Spurs should trade for KP once the Celtics offload him.

If Vic reaches his potential, that makes KP so much more valuable (health permitting) just for that matchup. How do you fight skinny, skilled 7-4? With skinny, skilled 7-3?

Parenthetically, people have said the existence of Shaq kept guys like Joe Kleine in the league 2-3 extra years cause teams needed beef on the bench to send in to foul Shaq. Maybe teams are gonna need guys with outlier length just for if they run into Wemby in a series

Cs still have Kornet. :lol:

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Post#1875 » by SuperDeluxe » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:27 pm

NYCelticsfan136 wrote:Knicks just continue to win games.

They haven't won this one yet, though. Also, their schedule the last couple of weeks has been sooooft. If anything, they've been a disappointment this year so far.

EDIT: Now they've won, so I can join you in celebrating a conference rival's win.
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Post#1876 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:27 pm

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Post#1877 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:27 pm

Man, Wemby. Damn!!
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Post#1878 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:28 pm

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NYCelticsfan136 wrote:Knicks just continue to win games.

They haven't won this one yet, though. Also, their schedule the last couple of weeks has been sooooft. If anything, they've been a disappointment this year so far.

His MO is praising any team but the Celtics lol. Like the more annoying JaMarco.
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Post#1879 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:28 pm

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Post#1880 » by phincsfan » Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:30 pm

Kats nothing special. Way too many lapses during games throughout his career and that's why he'll never lead a team to a championship.

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