The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

Banks2Pierce · Post #1881 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:55 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Well that's why I said "most". Are you comfortable paying Kelly $15-17mill a season?

Those numbers look perfectly fine to me, but it's not a black and white situation. Depends on trades, where the draft pick lands, big fish in FA, cap number, the new RFA cap hold rules, and probably other things I'm not even aware of right now. Think Olynyk could be the difference between beating the Raptors or other teams in a series or not.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1882 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:12 pm

Paying Olynyk 15 million is excessive, unless he becomes a legit starting big. He might almost be there, but he has to show it in the next two months.

Most likely we haven't had a good offer for him, or he'd be gone, and we don't want to overpay to keep him, or he'd be extended. Goes into the summer, signs somewhere else, we don't match, f*ck Ainge.

Green89 · Post #1883 » by **Green89** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:42 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
2. We are building for the long-term future, not this year.

How much into the future? We wouldn't have paid Horford what we did at his age if we were on a 2-4 year plan here. Ainge's wants to find a superstar now, as in before the trade deadline or in the off season.

And for anyone saying trading for Noel is risky because we'll give up guys for him and he'll walk, doesn't know enough about the guy. Everything I've read and seen about him points to this guy wanting to play for the hometown C's in the worst way. He wouldn't go anywhere unless we offered him ridiculously low money. He may even take a tiny bit less to stay in Boston.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1884 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:40 pm

Green89 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
2. We are building for the long-term future, not this year.

How much into the future? We wouldn't have paid Horford what we did at his age if we were on a 2-4 year plan here. Ainge's wants to find a superstar now, as in before the trade deadline or in the off season.

And for anyone saying trading for Noel is risky because we'll give up guys for him and he'll walk, doesn't know enough about the guy. Everything I've read and seen about him points to this guy wanting to play for the hometown C's in the worst way. He wouldn't go anywhere unless we offered him ridiculously low money. He may even take a tiny bit less to stay in Boston.

Considering that we are well past our tanking window, and the fact that that cap room would have just sat there taking up space, I don't think there was any long-term opportunity cost with giving Horford that money. It positioned us to accelerate the rebuild with future moves, but we didn't sacrifice any young players or picks to make it happen. Still a very young team with the same amount of young players and assets either way.

Roddy · Post #1885 » by **Roddy** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:44 pm

$15 millions for a mediocre player like Olynyk is madness, useless and a waste of money.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1886 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:53 pm

Roddy wrote:$15 millions for a mediocre player like Olynyk is madness, useless and a waste of money.

Wonder what we could have extended him for?

Celts17Pride · Post #1887 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:58 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Roddy wrote:$15 millions for a mediocre player like Olynyk is madness, useless and a waste of money.

Wonder what we could have extended him for?

Anything over $5 million is a waste. Jerebko money

Captain_Caveman · Post #1888 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:09 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Roddy wrote:$15 millions for a mediocre player like Olynyk is madness, useless and a waste of money.

Wonder what we could have extended him for?

Anything over $5 million is a waste. Jerebko money

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

Homerclease · Post #1889 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:16 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Wonder what we could have extended him for?

Anything over $5 million is a waste. Jerebko money

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

Disagree, the guy is a minimum wage player for 10/12 games. The games he discovers his intestinal fortitude he's fantastic but they just are too few and far between. Everyone at the nba level has talent, knowing how to harness it is 90% of the battle

London2Boston · Post #1890 » by **London2Boston** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:18 pm

Kelly O can go really unless he's happy to take something like 5-10m a year. Would rather give his money to a free agent or I.T/AB when it is time to pay them soon.

Curmudgeon · Post #1891 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:20 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Wonder what we could have extended him for?

Anything over $5 million is a waste. Jerebko money

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

Homerclease · Post #1892 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:21 pm

Another DNP - CD for Richaun Holmes in philly, I know Smitty said that the sixers are high on the kid but man I wish the Celtics would toss the sixers Jackson and a first and see if philly would bite. Holmes would start on this club

Curmudgeon · Post #1893 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:43 pm

They would trade Holmes for Demetrius Jackson in a heartbeat. But Holmes wouldn't start here. Why would he get minutes when Jordan Mickey can't?

Homerclease · Post #1894 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:59 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:They would trade Holmes for Demetrius Jackson in a heartbeat. But Holmes wouldn't start here. Why would he get minutes when Jordan Mickey can't?

Because he's much better than Jordan Mickey and I'm as big a Mickey supporter as we have here. Kid can play

Curmudgeon · Post #1895 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:14 pm

Whose minutes is Holmes going to take? Amir Johnson's? Olynyk's? Why isn't he getting minutes in Philly? He's a second round pick who scored over 10 pts twic-- and both games were losses.

BleedGreen1989 · Post #1896 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:28 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Anything over $5 million is a waste. Jerebko money

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

Homerclease · Post #1897 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:36 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Whose minutes is Holmes going to take? Amir Johnson's? Olynyk's? Why isn't he getting minutes in Philly? He's a second round pick who scored over 10 pts twic-- and both games were losses.

He's not getting minutes because he has Embiid and Okafor ahead of him, he only plays on embiids ridiculous rest days. He would be an upgrade over either of the players you mentioned

Captain_Caveman · Post #1898 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:00 am

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

I feel like we about to start a vicious cycle of Cs fans not wanting to resign any of their young guys.

Which would basically make us a farm club for the rest of the league, lol.

BleedGreen1989 · Post #1899 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:11 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

I feel like we about to start a vicious cycle of Cs fans not wanting to resign any of their young guys.

Which would basically make us a farm club for the rest of the league, lol.

Meh, I'm not sure who else i wouldn't want to resign. Will Bradley get north of $20mill/year? Probably.

I've never been a big Olynyk guy though, so there's that.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1900 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:14 am

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

I feel like we about to start a vicious cycle of Cs fans not wanting to resign any of their young guys.

Which would basically make us a farm club for the rest of the league, lol.

Meh, I'm not sure who else i wouldn't want to resign. Will Bradley get north of $20mill/year? Probably.

I've never been a big Olynyk guy though, so there's that.

Not for you in particular, but I can see it coming with people regarding Smart, too.

We know it will happen with Young. Rozier, you on the clock too lol.