Around the NBA '17-'18 Season (Non-Celtics Talk)

[JudBuchler]

Payton is a decent young player with a bit of upside. I think he's gonna stick somewhere, but that spot was not this team.

Coincidentally, he's just the type of player the Magic should be holding on to. I have no clue what that franchise is doing. They gave up on their 23 year old lotto pg for a 2nd rounder? It's rare that I think we collectively at RealGM could run a team better than actual NBA execs, but the Magic are that franchise for sure.

Finally somebody who DEBATES. I see your point and I agree, Tyreke is better suited for this role on the Celtics than Payton is , as is Lou Lou....

Payton I think could be a good 2nd point guard for this Celtics team and get Hayward the ball when the other guys sit and Hayward can take over.

Payton can drive and dish, but cant shoot.

So Tyreke would be an ideal choise.

[JudBuchler]

I dont disagree with people here

people can not like a player.....THATS COOL.

Why cant we all look in depth though.....

Why arent we aknolwdging the fact that Celtics have a good team, great coach, great management, and great culture.

Are we not in agreement that players that possess skill sets can prosper here more than anywhere else.

That is all im saying, not that the player we bring in will cause the team to lose like the current team they are.

That makes no sense. Players play better sometimes in a better surrounding. What better place than in Boston.

So in closing all im saying is that when I or somebody suggest a player that can help or come in and play a role, stop with all the nonsesne pointing to box scores, final scores, what the team is doing.....the discussion should be more well rounded....taking everything into effect.

Seems like some just want to have the last laugh lol.

[KGboss]

I dont disagree with people here

people can not like a player.....THATS COOL.

Why cant we all look in depth though.....

Why arent we aknolwdging the fact that Celtics have a good team, great coach, great management, and great culture.

Are we not in agreement that players that possess skill sets can prosper here more than anywhere else.

That is all im saying, not that the player we bring in will cause the team to lose like the current team they are.

That makes no sense. Players play better sometimes in a better surrounding. What better place than in Boston.

So in closing all im saying is that when I or somebody suggest a player that can help or come in and play a role, stop with all the nonsesne pointing to box scores, final scores, what the team is doing.....the discussion should be more well rounded....taking everything into effect.

Seems like some just want to have the last laugh lol.

Well it's a forum....So yes...that's what happens.

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[Jakeopp]

Anybody have a guess what team Isiaah Thomas plays for next year? The only team he's looked good on is the Celtics. Now it appears he is a system fit when he was with the Celtics as opposed to a star player. With issues of his defense, his ego, his lack of height, number of teams he's played for(5) since being in the NBA, what team wants him? I wouldn't want him even for the league minimum.

He had some solid seasons with the Kings as well. Just played one game in LA so, scoring numbers were up from Cleveland (still way too many turnovers tho). If he finishes at least looking decent with LA I'm sure someone will take a chance on him.

[ballup]

I don‘t see why people want Payton. He‘s like Rondo without the fire, intangibles, and the absurd smarts. Celtics already have Rozier who is good enough at getting to the rim plus he shoots 3s. Smart isn‘t as good as a passer, but good enough to feed Monroe and run the offense. Plus Smart is on a different defensive level. Payton doesn‘t offer any unique spin to the rotation and I don‘t trust him to be consistent

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[GregB]

The reply means nothing. Especially when we are talking about a player that can help. Who cares how his team plays. A player that is wanted or can be had is all about what he can do as a Celtic. No organization in the league right now is better at putting a player in a good position to succeed , especially a player who is unselfish and just wants to prove he can play.

Bring Tyreke in , Lou , even a guy Mudiay, or Elf who can get the guys the ball in the right spots.

Thanks for your reply, which is a typical response from somebody thinking they have been attacked or something lol.

I think his point was the player helped his team lose by 40 points. Stats don’t equal helping a team towards winning. I would have liked Tyreke but I understand why Danny didn’t want to give up a first for him. He doesn’t help us beat GS this year.

But the Paytons and Mudiays do nothing to help our offense. So I understand why Tyreke was the only guy on our radar.

This is a garbage argument. It really is simple to explain when you take the glasses off. Like literally very simple.

Players have skill sets and talent. You don't gauge them completely by what the team is doing.

Marcus Smart is supposedly a game changing player, but would not help any teams like the Magic or the Suns, or any terrible young team with not a good coach to compete.

So quickly we debunk this notion that players cause teams to lose. It is a ridiculous concept that I KNOW FOR SURE is just fans getting angry that somebody likes a player from another team

Isaigh Thomas, Kyrie Irving

Both players lead terrible teams, both have played on terrible teams, but skill set remains, style of play remains, and obviously Ainge or management knows this.

So instead of you just looking at a final score and acting like one player causes the loss

Try actually being smart and having an actual debate , not the nonsense that seems to be plaguing forums lately.

Whatever man. I don’t see you being smart and making an actual point. I will trust the track record of our GM that the majority of NBA fans wish was currently running their team over some whinebag on a message board.

But to engage you a little more. Both of your examples are poor shooters. When floor spacing and consistent shooting is one of our offenses biggest problems. Mudiay is competing with Smart as one of the worst shooters in the NBA. Why would we give up assets when we will have Smart and Larkin coming back shortly?

[threrf23]

Payton is a decent young player with a bit of upside. I think he's gonna stick somewhere, but that spot was not this team.

Coincidentally, he's just the type of player the Magic should be holding on to. I have no clue what that franchise is doing. They gave up on their 23 year old lotto pg for a 2nd rounder? It's rare that I think we collectively at RealGM could run a team better than actual NBA execs, but the Magic are that franchise for sure.

Faaaacts.

- Don't forget they let go of Oladipo (& the #11 pick in Sabonis!) for a washed up Ibaka.
- Declined Henzonja's taem option for next year. Cause why not? Then he avg's 14 & 5 in 2018.
- Gives up Elfred Payton for a 2nd. Not a huge Payton guy, but still. That's terrible.
- Traded a young Tobias Harris for Ersan & Jennings? When they already had Aaron Gordon.

Yup. Sums them up nicely.

Frank Vogel has a lot of influence. He's an Obie prodigy (ETA protege lol). I forget whether it was Obie or Pitino who passed on Ben Wallace because he couldn't shoot well enough to play the 2? Anyways, Obie's the guy who wanted to trade Joe Johnson and his 27% 3pt shooting percentage instead of Kedrick Brown. Same **** is going on in Orlando right now.

[DoubleHappiness]

Payton is a decent young player with a bit of upside. I think he's gonna stick somewhere, but that spot was not this team.

Coincidentally, he's just the type of player the Magic should be holding on to. I have no clue what that franchise is doing. They gave up on their 23 year old lotto pg for a 2nd rounder? It's rare that I think we collectively at RealGM could run a team better than actual NBA execs, but the Magic are that franchise for sure.

Finally somebody who DEBATES. I see your point and I agree, Tyreke is better suited for this role on the Celtics than Payton is , as is Lou Lou....

Payton I think could be a good 2nd point guard for this Celtics team and get Hayward the ball when the other guys sit and Hayward can take over.

Payton can drive and dish, but cant shoot.

So Tyreke would be an ideal choise.

It depends on whether or not his 3 pt shooting this year is an anomaly. If he regresses back to the norm then he is a faster better passing Marcus. However, the Cs (me included) value Marcus defensive versatility a lot more I think. There aren't too many big guards who can switch on as many players as Marcus can.

I'm okay with standing pat this year because I'm not sure Reke puts us over the top. I wouldn't have been averse to bringing him in. But price is everything. I don't want to give up a first for the chance someone gets injured. Especially since I think it will take two injuries for us to get past the Dubs.

[GoCeltics123]

Are you guys serious? Elfrid Payton? Really? Hezonja over Brown?

Are we trying to become the Magic and lose 50+ games every season?

[djFan71]

I dont disagree with people here

people can not like a player.....THATS COOL.

Why cant we all look in depth though.....

Why arent we aknolwdging the fact that Celtics have a good team, great coach, great management, and great culture.

Are we not in agreement that players that possess skill sets can prosper here more than anywhere else.

That is all im saying, not that the player we bring in will cause the team to lose like the current team they are.

That makes no sense. Players play better sometimes in a better surrounding. What better place than in Boston.

So in closing all im saying is that when I or somebody suggest a player that can help or come in and play a role, stop with all the nonsesne pointing to box scores, final scores, what the team is doing.....the discussion should be more well rounded....taking everything into effect.

Seems like some just want to have the last laugh lol.

I think the main thing is everything is a tradeoff, right? We get Tyreke, he maybe helps this year, but not enough to win a title. Then we lose the first rounder and have one less asset to deal for better help at the draft. By not dealing for him (or similar level player), we have that asset to either draft ourselves or bundle in a trade for a (hopefully better than Tyreke) player that will be around next season when Hayward is also back. Now, you can legitimately talk about title contention.

That's where I'm coming from. So, getting someone like Payton or Mudiay for cheap, or Tyreke as a rental, doesn't really interest me.

[JudBuchler]

Payton is a decent young player with a bit of upside. I think he's gonna stick somewhere, but that spot was not this team.

Coincidentally, he's just the type of player the Magic should be holding on to. I have no clue what that franchise is doing. They gave up on their 23 year old lotto pg for a 2nd rounder? It's rare that I think we collectively at RealGM could run a team better than actual NBA execs, but the Magic are that franchise for sure.

Finally somebody who DEBATES. I see your point and I agree, Tyreke is better suited for this role on the Celtics than Payton is , as is Lou Lou....

Payton I think could be a good 2nd point guard for this Celtics team and get Hayward the ball when the other guys sit and Hayward can take over.

Payton can drive and dish, but cant shoot.

So Tyreke would be an ideal choise.

It depends on whether or not his 3 pt shooting this year is an anomaly. If he regresses back to the norm then he is a faster better passing Marcus. However, the Cs (me included) value Marcus defensive versatility a lot more I think. There aren't too many big guards who can switch on as many players as Marcus can.

I'm okay with standing pat this year because I'm not sure Reke puts us over the top. I wouldn't have been averse to bringing him in. But price is everything. I don't want to give up a first for the chance someone gets injured. Especially since I think it will take two injuries for us to get past the Dubs.

Agreed. You lose that defensive versatility for sure. Thats why im ok with Marcus if he plays the correct way.

One thing I would add is that Payton can get to the bucket much much better than Marcus. He can penetrate and put pressure and he can finish. Which is why his fg% is around 53 %. He also has a feat that only 3 other players have and one is lebron james, i just dont remember it.

Like you said, im also ok with. Im concerned though because Marcus has failed miserableyl at improving offensively in the scoring , driving shooting department. His passing is ok, but also nothing ride about

Its just that he is so bad in other offense that fans see his passing as something thats "very good" when it's not very good compared to others.

At the very least he can run P&R

[JudBuchler]

Are you guys serious? Elfrid Payton? Really? Hezonja over Brown?

Are we trying to become the Magic and lose 50+ games every season?

Kyrie was losing every year. Elfrid is a 24 year old, with like 6 coaches and poor management.

Hezonja is not better than Brown , Hezonja does have skills comparable to Brown though, so its not crazy , but I like Brown better as well.

Elfrid Payton is a nice player. Maybe not the best starter, but can do good things as a floor general.

[JudBuchler]

I dont disagree with people here

people can not like a player.....THATS COOL.

Why cant we all look in depth though.....

Why arent we aknolwdging the fact that Celtics have a good team, great coach, great management, and great culture.

Are we not in agreement that players that possess skill sets can prosper here more than anywhere else.

That is all im saying, not that the player we bring in will cause the team to lose like the current team they are.

That makes no sense. Players play better sometimes in a better surrounding. What better place than in Boston.

So in closing all im saying is that when I or somebody suggest a player that can help or come in and play a role, stop with all the nonsesne pointing to box scores, final scores, what the team is doing.....the discussion should be more well rounded....taking everything into effect.

Seems like some just want to have the last laugh lol.

I think the main thing is everything is a tradeoff, right? We get Tyreke, he maybe helps this year, but not enough to win a title. Then we lose the first rounder and have one less asset to deal for better help at the draft. By not dealing for him (or similar level player), we have that asset to either draft ourselves or bundle in a trade for a (hopefully better than Tyreke) player that will be around next season when Hayward is also back. Now, you can legitimately talk about title contention.

That's where I'm coming from. So, getting someone like Payton or Mudiay for cheap, or Tyreke as a rental, doesn't really interest me.

Yup, and I get that. Danny Ainge is going to do whats best. I want to win, Danny wants to manage first to make the team and coaching staff capable of winning.

[ConstableGeneva]

I don't ask for much but I wish the Raps, Cavs, and Rockets all lose today.

[K For Three]

I miss the old Cavs. The ones where Lebron wasn't trying hard and IT was running around looking like an 8th grader begging for shots from the seniors in high school.

[CelticsPride18]

The Cavs ball movement has been great. They look really good. Damn it!!!!

[reload141]

Clarkson screws our LA pick, now he's going to help Cleveland get to the Finals.

[K For Three]

RIP making fun of the Cavs, but it sure was fun while it lasted.

[ConstableGeneva]

I don't ask for much but I wish the Raps, Cavs, and Rockets all lose today.

0/3.

[Ben-N1ce]

Need Caveman to tell me how the Cavs didn't improve after their trade and will get crushed in the Eastern Conference playoffs..