Kawhi update thread 2.0

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Robert Covington is a knockoff version of Jae Crowder. Can people stop pretending he has any sort of real value?

So much this, tired of how overrated hes become both offensively and defensively. Tatum routinely cooked him alive last year, he gets caught flat footed far too often in man d. Great team defender though.

Who is pretending that Covington has real value? He’s salary cap filler

A good number of people--both on this forum and in general--think Covington has value.

[K For Three]

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Dude would literally have to give up about $70m to turn down a Spurs supermax just to extend with Boston lol.

Clearly that isn't what is most important to Kawhi right now. If $$ was the most important he would stay in SA, sign, and then demand out at the deadline or next summer

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So what IS most important to Kawhi?

Difficult man to figure out my goodness gracious.

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Dude would literally have to give up about $70m to turn down a Spurs supermax just to extend with Boston lol.

Clearly that isn't what is most important to Kawhi right now. If $$ was the most important he would stay in SA, sign, and then demand out at the deadline or next summer

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So what IS most important to Kawhi?

Difficult man to figure out my goodness gracious.

I don't think anyone knows at this point, but it's clear that it isn't the money or else he would have re-upped in San Antonio.

[Homerclease]

Philly can make the best offer, and the 76ers would be stupid not to do so.

Fultz, Covington, some of the players they have stashed in Europe, 2 no. 1 picks. No one else comes close.

That’s 100% not true


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Correct. The second Brown or Ingram's names get involved it tops what Philly can offer. Those two carry much more value than Fultz and Boston can match anything when it comes to picks and LA can match anything when it comes to young prospects.

Which was the exact context of his quote on page 80. The concept here is Boston isn’t putting all its assets on the table because they are better off than Philly. Take Brown off the table and Philly has the best package assuming the lakers are blackballed

[Homerclease]

So much this, tired of how overrated hes become both offensively and defensively. Tatum routinely cooked him alive last year, he gets caught flat footed far too often in man d. Great team defender though.

Who is pretending that Covington has real value? He’s salary cap filler

A good number of people--both on this forum and in general--think Covington has value.

I’ll rephrase, who in this discussion today is propping up Covington as a valuable trade piece?

[ddb]

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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Where do you personally believe he ends up? Can just be a gut feeling.

Celtics or Bucks. Bucks would probably risk doing a deal for a potential rental because they have Mike B as coach who knows Kawhi pretty well, a new arena and of course Giannis. Greek Freak and Leonard could be special together.



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[TommyPoints]

Clearly that isn't what is most important to Kawhi right now. If $$ was the most important he would stay in SA, sign, and then demand out at the deadline or next summer

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So what IS most important to Kawhi?

Difficult man to figure out my goodness gracious.

I don't think anyone knows at this point, but it's clear that it isn't the money or else he would have re-upped in San Antonio.

San Antonio seem like such a class organization. I can’t comprehend what happened for Kawhi to handle things like he has.

[ddb]

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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I would say he absolutely has some leverage given that he is a FA next summer. If he didn't have leverage, he would have already been traded.

Unlikely he will be able to go to LA unless the Lakers miss on LeBron and stick with youth movement. As of right now the Lakers are all in for Bron. He is the prize for them, not Kawhi. If they land Bron they likely land PG13 and acquire Dame or Kemba

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[TommyPoints]

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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Where do you personally believe he ends up? Can just be a gut feeling.

Celtics or Bucks. Bucks would probably risk doing a deal for a potential rental because they have Mike B as coach who knows Kawhi pretty well, a new arena and of course Giannis. Greek Freak and Leonard could be special together.



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It just looks a lot more like he ends up in LA to me, unless he actually is open to other destinations.

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Where do you personally believe he ends up? Can just be a gut feeling.

Celtics or Bucks. Bucks would probably risk doing a deal for a potential rental because they have Mike B as coach who knows Kawhi pretty well, a new arena and of course Giannis. Greek Freak and Leonard could be special together.



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It just looks a lot more like he ends up in LA to me, unless he actually is open to other destinations.

Would have to be for Ingram, Kuzma, and then a 3rd team that wants Ball/Deng and is willing to flip assets to SA.


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[ViperGTS]

Celtics or Bucks. Bucks would probably risk doing a deal for a potential rental because they have Mike B as coach who knows Kawhi pretty well, a new arena and of course Giannis. Greek Freak and Leonard could be special together.



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It just looks a lot more like he ends up in LA to me, unless he actually is open to other destinations.

Would have to be for Ingram, Kuzma, and then a 3rd team that wants Ball/Deng and is willing to flip assets to SA.


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That package is EXACTLY why the Cs should run away fast.

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Robert Covington is a knockoff version of Jae Crowder. Can people stop pretending he has any sort of real value?

So much this, tired of how overrated hes become both offensively and defensively. Tatum routinely cooked him alive last year, he gets caught flat footed far too often in man d. Great team defender though.

Also, Covington is well paid. I don't think he's on any kind of discount contract.

[sully00]

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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I would say he absolutely has some leverage given that he is a FA next summer. If he didn't have leverage, he would have already been traded.

Unlikely he will be able to go to LA unless the Lakers miss on LeBron and stick with youth movement. As of right now the Lakers are all in for Bron. He is the prize for them, not Kawhi. If they land Bron they likely land PG13 and acquire Dame or Kemba

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Lebron is not going to LAL first, it will not happen and they know it.

Why doesn't CLE just trade for Kawhi? Even if they only get one more year out of both of them. Lebron opts in and then CLE give SA a draft pick package that makes SA whole but also respects CLE position maybe there is a way to base the terms based on whether CLE can retain them. Just make it slightly protected picks in both directions in the short and unprotected at the back end. In that way OKC, SA and CLE can almost conspire to freeze out the tampering Lakers.

I realize this isn't great for Boston but it might be good for basketball. James, Leonard, and Love could work and no team is better positioned to roll the dice on the one year thing than CLE because they have leverage over James.

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BfB is right. There is zero chance Kawhi extends as part of the trade. Same issue as exists with Kyrie.

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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I'd think it's more subtle than that.

As long as the Lakers can sign him a year from now, he and they have leverage.
If they use their cap room differently, that leverage goes away.
It's hard to imagine them having the patience to leave the cap room unused.
However -- and this complicates everything -- if they trade for Kawhi they have a better chance of having great uses for the cap room.

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Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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Where do you personally believe he ends up? Can just be a gut feeling.

Celtics or Bucks. Bucks would probably risk doing a deal for a potential rental because they have Mike B as coach who knows Kawhi pretty well, a new arena and of course Giannis. Greek Freak and Leonard could be special together.



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What do the Bucks have to offer that's of significant value? Middleton?

[ViperGTS]

I would say he absolutely has some leverage given that he is a FA next summer. If he didn't have leverage, he would have already been traded.

Unlikely he will be able to go to LA unless the Lakers miss on LeBron and stick with youth movement. As of right now the Lakers are all in for Bron. He is the prize for them, not Kawhi. If they land Bron they likely land PG13 and acquire Dame or Kemba

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Lebron is not going to LAL first, it will not happen and they know it.

Why doesn't CLE just trade for Kawhi? Even if they only get one more year out of both of them. Lebron opts in and then CLE give SA a draft pick package that makes SA whole but also respects CLE position maybe there is a way to base the terms based on whether CLE can retain them. Just make it slightly protected picks in both directions in the short and unprotected at the back end. In that way OKC, SA and CLE can almost conspire to freeze out the tampering Lakers.

I realize this isn't great for Boston but it might be good for basketball. James, Leonard, and Love could work and no team is better positioned to roll the dice on the one year thing than CLE because they have leverage over James.

Clevland has zero assets to make that trade. Like, less than zero. Maybe the dude they picked 8th, but thats not good enough.

[sully00]

So what IS most important to Kawhi?

Difficult man to figure out my goodness gracious.

I don't think anyone knows at this point, but it's clear that it isn't the money or else he would have re-upped in San Antonio.

San Antonio seem like such a class organization. I can’t comprehend what happened for Kawhi to handle things like he has.

They are a spoiled organization though. They had Robinson and Duncan. They shopped Tony Parker like a street walker and he was nothing but loyal to them same with Ginobli. The Spurs are a great organization but they are not necessarily a class organization. They are more like the Patriots than the Celtics who I think have frequently made decisions that have hurt the bottom line because it was the right thing to do e.a. Reggie Lewis and Jeff Green.

There has been a problem with both Aldridge and Leonard in that they are not Robinson and Duncan who just took orders. I think these are just to guys who didn't necessarily identify with the organization first and the divide broadened. Aldridge took the money because both sides ran out of options and Leonard is just like that is not me I have options "screw you guys I am going home."

[Celtic King]

Dude would literally have to give up about $70m to turn down a Spurs supermax just to extend with Boston lol.

Clearly that isn't what is most important to Kawhi right now. If $$ was the most important he would stay in SA, sign, and then demand out at the deadline or next summer

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So what IS most important to Kawhi?

Difficult man to figure out my goodness gracious.

My gut says he will push the Lakers trade as far as he can but unless the Spurs are happy with the return and there is no hope of a Lakers deal, he will seriously look at joining us with a extension and at that point we offer Brown as the main piece with others and picks. We have the best assets available for the Spurs and we are in the East. We will all know in the next couple of days.

[Celtic King]

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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I would say he absolutely has some leverage given that he is a FA next summer. If he didn't have leverage, he would have already been traded.

Unlikely he will be able to go to LA unless the Lakers miss on LeBron and stick with youth movement. As of right now the Lakers are all in for Bron. He is the prize for them, not Kawhi. If they land Bron they likely land PG13 and acquire Dame or Kemba

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Very true that LeBron is the piece they want but I don't think LeBron commits to the Lakers without Leonard signing. A very tough situation for Magic to manage. LeBron will not be the first piece to commit.

[Darthlukey]

Unlikely he will be able to go to LA unless the Lakers miss on LeBron and stick with youth movement. As of right now the Lakers are all in for Bron. He is the prize for them, not Kawhi. If they land Bron they likely land PG13 and acquire Dame or Kemba

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Lebron is not going to LAL first, it will not happen and they know it.

Why doesn't CLE just trade for Kawhi? Even if they only get one more year out of both of them. Lebron opts in and then CLE give SA a draft pick package that makes SA whole but also respects CLE position maybe there is a way to base the terms based on whether CLE can retain them. Just make it slightly protected picks in both directions in the short and unprotected at the back end. In that way OKC, SA and CLE can almost conspire to freeze out the tampering Lakers.

I realize this isn't great for Boston but it might be good for basketball. James, Leonard, and Love could work and no team is better positioned to roll the dice on the one year thing than CLE because they have leverage over James.

Clevland has zero assets to make that trade. Like, less than zero. Maybe the dude they picked 8th, but thats not good enough.

If there was any trade with the cavs, surely the spurs would have to extort unprotected 1st round picks out of them, in say 3 and 5 years time. Doesnt help pop, but it does load the spurs up in future. Assuming bron and kawhi are gone in 2 years, those picks would be gold