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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1881 » by big-shot-ROB » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:02 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Cam Reddish will be steal of the draft if he falls outside top 5 as projected. Stock is at all time low but talent is too good to ignore. He apparently played all year with an injury just recently disclosed. I still think he will end up a better pro than Sekou, Hunter or Cullver.



Oh the big old potential skill never dies. He sucks. He didn't display anything at Duke. Not even flashes. Volume 3pt shooting with questionable efficiency. More turnover than assists. Can't finish anything inside. Handle is very very iffy. The guy is Ben McLemore 2.0 and he will go 8th in the draft because Atlanta has such a bright future they can take a gamble.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1882 » by sam_I_am » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:05 pm

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sam_I_am wrote:Cam Reddish will be steal of the draft if he falls outside top 5 as projected. Stock is at all time low but talent is too good to ignore. He apparently played all year with an injury just recently disclosed. I still think he will end up a better pro than Sekou, Hunter or Cullver.


Did you watch him play at Duke?

The injury line is just BS he used to justify his lack of effort and terrible season— if he was really hurt he wouldnt have played. Dont buy it for him or Langford.


Did you watch Hunter and Cullver as freshman? Did you watch Sekou? I think Cam was better than them as a freshman despite his subpar performance. And I really like Hunter who has a higher floor but a lower ceiling IMO. Cam’s upside as a shooter makes me rate him as the best prospect after Barrett out of small forwards.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1883 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:07 pm

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sam_I_am wrote:Cam Reddish will be steal of the draft if he falls outside top 5 as projected. Stock is at all time low but talent is too good to ignore. He apparently played all year with an injury just recently disclosed. I still think he will end up a better pro than Sekou, Hunter or Cullver.


Did you watch him play at Duke?

The injury line is just BS he used to justify his lack of effort and terrible season— if he was really hurt he wouldnt have played. Dont buy it for him or Langford.


Did you watch Hunter and Cullver as freshman? I think Cam was better than them as a freshman despite his subpar performance. And I really like Hunter who has a higher floor but a lower ceiling IMO.


Hunter yes, Culver no. Hunter was better— his injury is why UVA lost to a 16 seed.

Also, Culver and Hunter developing atypically does not mean Reddish will.
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Post#1884 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:08 pm

If we're trading into the top 10, I'd take Hunter over Reddish in a heartbeat. I'd take Sekou, too... He's a year younger. Garland as well, but he's a top 5 pick so that's expected.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1885 » by return2glory » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:15 pm

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big-shot-ROB wrote:Clarke can't play center. I don't even consider him a big. He is 6'8 walong with 210 lbs. Tatum is bigger than him in everything.

You're drafting him to use him as the Nets used RHJ.


Yeah I e seen that posted here a few times. He is 6’8 and 207 with short arms. He is not a big: he played bigger than that in college against people that are smaller than your NBA PFs and centers.

He is a good player with great defensive that you hope translates in the NBA. He is a Jordan Mickey but a much much better athlete.


In what way exactly is he a Jordan Mickey? On height?? Will he flame out the league and eventually the G???

I think he's more like Nance with a jumpshot but that's just me.


Shot blocking and size. That’s about it .

Nance was a great athlete but I feel Clarke has quicker feet and better lateral quickness. Clarke is an exciting player.

If we are able to get Vuc, I think Clarke would be really nice next to Vuc at the PF spot.

Clarke/Vuc/Tatum/Hayward/Smart

In that lineup, Clarke can just go out and play D and rebound and complement the scoring of Tatum, Vuc, and Hayward.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1886 » by big-shot-ROB » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:19 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:If we're trading into the top 10, I'd take Hunter over Reddish in a heartbeat. I'd take Sekou, too... He's a year younger. Garland as well, but he's a top 5 pick so that's expected.


Not a fan of trading up.

We are not contending so Hunter and Culver are not really interesting for us: they project to have high floors, but they lack in some areas were you can assure they probably be never all-stars, unless they have a development curve a la Kawhi or George.

The high ceiling guys have such a low floor it is not worth the risk: other than Zion, Ja (meh), Barrett (ughh) and Garland (solid) are far away from their ceilings, and all have, in my opinion, very high bust potential (maybe Garland not that much, given he's shown 3pt + handle ).

White and Hayes fall quite in the category of Hunter and Culver: just sign them when they rookie deal expires if they're any good. They'll probably not be worth their salary unless they surprise everybody, specially on a rebuilding/tanking Boston.

Cam I won't even get started.

Sekou is intriguing but I'm still not sure yet. He is definetily no Siakam.

Just take Fernando, Clarke or Herro and then, if you can, trade back or trade completly out. Doubt the 1st round this year produces any players that get second contracts.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1887 » by scootch » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:27 pm

KPJ and Claxton being last minute entries into the green room on draft night make me think that possibly we've been shopping the picks to no avail OR we found someone to trade with. I don't know who else would be moving around that much capital outside of the hawks.

I like KPJ and Claxton though lol. I want some good news.
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Post#1888 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:31 pm

Ive done a bit of a 180 on Barrett— really like his playmaking a vision and see him as more of a 6’7 PG than a wing. Think he could do real well here as the primary initiator.

I think the Knicks take Garland and that he’ll be available at 4— would pounce on him if so.
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Post#1889 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:52 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Ive done a bit of a 180 on Barrett— really like his playmaking a vision and see him as more of a 6’7 PG than a wing. Think he could do real well here as the primary initiator.

I think the Knicks take Garland and that he’ll be available at 4— would pounce on him if so.


Very inefficient, too, tho, low b-ball IQ it seemed in college. Maybe if Danny thinks he's good...
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1890 » by sam_I_am » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:01 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:If we're trading into the top 10, I'd take Hunter over Reddish in a heartbeat. I'd take Sekou, too... He's a year younger. Garland as well, but he's a top 5 pick so that's expected.


I won’t be shocked if Reddish naysayers are right, but you can see the elite talent with Reddish. There is a legit chance he is a star. Hunter and Cullver never will be stars - but they could be Brogdens and Reddish could be a Fultz.....so there is that.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1891 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:05 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:If we're trading into the top 10, I'd take Hunter over Reddish in a heartbeat. I'd take Sekou, too... He's a year younger. Garland as well, but he's a top 5 pick so that's expected.


I won’t be shocked if Reddish naysayers are right, but you can see the elite talent with Reddish. There is a legit chance he is a star. Hunter and Cullver never will be stars - but they could be Brogdens and Reddish could be a Fultz.....so there is that.


Tatum is a better talent and was a better talent at Duke. I don't understand what star this guy gonna be, but it's possible sometimes you're more confident in the pros than you are in college, cause of fits, role, etc.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1892 » by sully00 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:51 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Ive done a bit of a 180 on Barrett— really like his playmaking a vision and see him as more of a 6’7 PG than a wing. Think he could do real well here as the primary initiator.

I think the Knicks take Garland and that he’ll be available at 4— would pounce on him if so.


Very inefficient, too, tho, low b-ball IQ it seemed in college. Maybe if Danny thinks he's good...


I don't see the low b-ball IQ thing if anything my concern with him is that he is good at everything great at nothing and while than can work that can also quickly turn into Evan Turner. I thought he played really well when Zion went down that is why I am pretty high on his stock and lower on Reddish, he picked up some over that stretch but he had so no shows as well.

Not sure I am excited about any trade up prospects at this point unless the price is 20 and or 22. I think you just take the best prospect at #14.
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Post#1893 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:56 pm

sully00 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Ive done a bit of a 180 on Barrett— really like his playmaking a vision and see him as more of a 6’7 PG than a wing. Think he could do real well here as the primary initiator.

I think the Knicks take Garland and that he’ll be available at 4— would pounce on him if so.


Very inefficient, too, tho, low b-ball IQ it seemed in college. Maybe if Danny thinks he's good...


I don't see the low b-ball IQ thing if anything my concern with him is that he is good at everything great at nothing and while than can work that can also quickly turn into Evan Turner. I thought he played really well when Zion went down that is why I am pretty high on his stock and lower on Reddish, he picked up some over that stretch but he had so no shows as well.

Not sure I am excited about any trade up prospects at this point unless the price is 20 and or 22. I think you just take the best prospect at #14.


I think a big man at 14 or trade up for more talented prospect(14 + 20 for like 9 or 10).. Or if we draft at #14 go for big, then you can trade 20 + 22 for say 16 and get a guy like Herro.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1894 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:58 pm

Buy the 21 from OKC, trade 21/22 for 15
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Post#1895 » by chrisab123 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:23 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Buy the 21 from OKC, trade 21/22 for 15


No interest in anyone from this draft. Why get more garbage players under guaranteed contracts?
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Post#1896 » by scootch » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:31 pm

I am kind of bristling at the idea this is a BAD draft as is stated over and over and over. It's not a bad draft, it's just not uber-talented in the lottery. There are going to be a lot of REALLY good players taken here, even if they become "just" role players. We need role players now, especially if we commit to the J's doing their thing. They are going to get expensive soon, and cheap contracts for quality role players is gonna be the way we win through depth.
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Post#1897 » by sully00 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:04 pm

scootch wrote:I am kind of bristling at the idea this is a BAD draft as is stated over and over and over. It's not a bad draft, it's just not uber-talented in the lottery. There are going to be a lot of REALLY good players taken here, even if they become "just" role players. We need role players now, especially if we commit to the J's doing their thing. They are going to get expensive soon, and cheap contracts for quality role players is gonna be the way we win through depth.


Because it is a bad draft you know it is a bad draft when guys projected to go in the 20's are also being talked about in the top 10. Your point is true there are going to be some good players coming out of the draft but they are incredibly hard to identify in this group.

The idea of "role" players sounds great and if your drafting a college upperclassmen late in first round that you project can step in and play NBA mins even though they have limited upside great. If your drafting a 19 year old in the lottery that it is going to take 3 years to develop and still only think they are going to have limited upside that sucks.

Too much late first round talent is going to bleed into the lottery in this draft. That makes me fine with moving #14 in a trade for a real player or trading down or out of this draft. If we stay at #14 give me the guy with big upside and injury questions or other concerns.
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Post#1898 » by Smog » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:14 pm

scootch wrote:I am kind of bristling at the idea this is a BAD draft as is stated over and over and over. It's not a bad draft, it's just not uber-talented in the lottery. There are going to be a lot of REALLY good players taken here, even if they become "just" role players. We need role players now, especially if we commit to the J's doing their thing. They are going to get expensive soon, and cheap contracts for quality role players is gonna be the way we win through depth.


I like this draft. It’s a great draft to have three low picks as the Cs do.

There will be players available at 22 who’ll be better than a lot of the top 10. A lot of people who will play in the league a long time. People like Cam Johnson or NAW or Grant Williams will be around a while. And there are lottery tickets like Bol and Porter. Should be a fun night no matter what happens.
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Post#1899 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:16 pm

Reminds me of 2001, when Curry and Kwame busted, and almost Chandler, and there was value in later picks - Zach Randolph, Tony Parker.. or the year we got Al Jefferson.. younger players are tougher to predict, and the high school ban limited that problem, but this is a draft with a lot of raw players
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Post#1900 » by coach mang » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:30 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Buy the 21 from OKC, trade 21/22 for 15


F it jefe why not

Take 2 big shwangs wit 14 and 15 go wit bol bol and Kevin porter. Let’s get some entertainment out of this at least. We got smart to slap porter around a lil like oak did pippen. No safe picks. This ain’t the time nor the place bubs. These mid round firsts is made for these big ol shwangs for the fence bubs

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