Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3

[denmuscles]

Sometimes you question as fans, why the hell we want him if he doesnt want us as his fans and team. As of now F AD

[leper-con]

Parl's been against Jaylen for some time, people have yelled at him but I always trust Parl and I had the same feelings he did which I privately told him about.

Jaylen seems to have settled into his role quite well though so I think his value the last few months has sky rocketed.

Can you give me a quick synopsis, what did he say?

Who with Parliament? He was going off on Jaylen for some time saying he was not Celtics material and would not be here long term. If you backtrack in the Jaylen Brown thread it's all in there.
I got no doubt in my mind Brown really bothered Kyrie. People will blame Kyrie since it's the trendy thing to do, but we don't know what happened behind the scenes.

My female intuition so to speak has been rubbed the wrong way by Jaylen all season long, didn't happen last year. But I told Parl this privately.

I always maintained something happened behind the scenes that made Irving go mental himself. Morris shoving Jaylen was the icing on the cake. Irving publicly almost demanding he start next to Smart earlier in the year was further proof.

Just hoping all is well with Jaylen and the guys now.......they play fine but the second unit will always have some issues IMO and Gordon doesn't have a chance in hell with Jaylen/Rozier wanting the ball. People can bash Kyrie all they want, but Brown/Rozier are a million times more selfish on the court then Irving ever has been on this team.

Luckily Brown has been balling for a while now, part of me doesn't think he would even care if he was moved to NO. He wants stats and wants to be an all star. Has to all be kept quiet though since we can't let anyone think there is a problem with any of our guys.

well said.

NBA is a lot about guys getting stats and money. Young guys are coming up to extensions and feeling tons of pressure to produce and get paid. Marcus Smart had some of the same issues and has since settled down and become the player we all wanted him to be. can't blame these guys they are all ultra competitive. I'd be jacking shots from the parking lot before i even see the arena.

[ajones9219]

From everything that's being reported Davis has no desire to come here. I'm sure Ainge will take the risk but you'd hate to have Davis for one year have him leave and then lose out on all your assets like Tatum and or brown.

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

lol no. AD could come out and say he wants to go to Boston tomorrow and 100% it doesn't get leaked like everything else. Paul doesn't owe anything to AD, he owes everything to LeBron.

[leper-con]

Sometimes you question as fans, why the hell we want him if he doesnt want us as his fans and team. As of now F AD

i'm back and forth on this as well. but he really is the piece of the championship puzzle. He's the diamond in the wedding ring.
Even if you marry him for a season or two, you can work out the divorce settlement later. But those years will be filled with championships.

[ViperGTS]

From everything that's being reported Davis has no desire to come here. I'm sure Ainge will take the risk but you'd hate to have Davis for one year have him leave and then lose out on all your assets like Tatum and or brown.

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

lol no. AD could come out and say he wants to go to Boston tomorrow and 100% it doesn't get leaked like everything else. Paul doesn't owe anything to AD, he owes everything to LeBron.

Okay than maybe he should fire his agent because the agent is misrepresenting him. That would be sort of a normal reaction. Also the agent should lose his license becuse he isn’t doing what he should be. No, pretty sure the agent and player are in lockstep.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Yeah LMAO at what AD thinks.

Until he gets traded to Boston, Ainge blows his load and then AD bolts to LA in the offseason. Then people will care about what AD thinks as the reality of dark times ahead become reality. Now he is liking LA trade offers. And yet still, people here will trade everything for the dude. I haven't ever seen anything quite like it.

It is almost like these people are in denial. Might he change his mind? Sure anything can happen. Anything can happen also isn’t great and not what gets you to trade the farm.

I know I speak for a lot of posters here when I say that it's mindboggling to see you continually refuse to acknowledge that Davis is motivated to let word get out that he doesn't want to go to Boston because it's the only way he gets traded this week.

You are swallowing whole the message that AD doesn't want to play in Boston when the real message is that AD prefers to be traded this week. Fortunately, some people are getting the real message.

Why is it, do you think, that Ainge doesn't agree with you that Davis is unlikely to resign? Do you know better than him? You seem very sure of yourself that the best GM in the business is "in denial."

That is pie in the sky BS. If he was open to anywhere he would wait until the offseason, and work with the Pels for the best deal and a place he would be open to. Helps him, and helps his former team. My supposition is he knows Boston might have a good package that NO might want. Thus he pushes for the trade now so he can get to LA without Boston being in the mix. Again, anything his agent does is what he wants to be done or he would fire him.

Problem is there are two sides here. I have stated a package of Brown OR Tatum plus whatever would be amenable in the current situation. Others want everything and the new practice facility thrown in as well.

It is not pie in the sky. It is perfectly reasonable. Your refusal to acknowledge that logic undermines everything you say.

If you're AD, and you have a choice of playing for your preferred team right away, or sitting on the pine and dealing with this drama all season long until being sent to a team you can't handpick, YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN TO MAKE OPTION "A" HAPPEN. You don't get that? This is pretty simple human behavior. You don't have to be Sun Tzu to see that.

But you're going to go ahead and take everything being circulated at face value. You really think he prefers MILWAUKEE to BOSTON??????

[ajones9219]

I think it's goofy that people saying anyone who wants to trade for AD are in denial but ignoring rather obvious facts. 1) Ainge pushing hard for AD means he is confident he can get him to stay. 2) We have already done the same thing with Kyrie, albeit for an extra year. 3) The Lakers aren't going to sit on their hands next year and burn another LeBron year so the Lakers cap space won't be there in 2020, making AD's threat idle. 4) Even if they had the cap space, LeBron will be almost 36, and i'd bet on AD staying with a contending team vs going to a middling LA team with a rapidly aging LeBron (unless you think LeBron will somehow beat father time)

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

AND THE PLAYER WANTS TO PLAY THIS YEAR FOR HIS PREFERRED TEAM RATHER THAN SIT ON THE BENCH OF THE REST OF THE YEAR AND BE TRADED TO ANOTHER TEAM.

Unreal is right.

He didn't have to request a trade until the offseason. Why did he do it now? So he could put himself in a tough situation with his current teammates? I heard it was supposed to be a private request that became public. He could have said nothing and played out the year.

Why? To force a trade to the Lakers ASAP so he could pair with LeBron right away. Why not wait? So he didn't have to wait!

[Turgon]

This is the front page of the Lakers forum right now.

Am I the only one laughing uncontrollably?

[ajones9219]

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

lol no. AD could come out and say he wants to go to Boston tomorrow and 100% it doesn't get leaked like everything else. Paul doesn't owe anything to AD, he owes everything to LeBron.

Okay than maybe he should fire his agent because the agent is misrepresenting him. That would be sort of a normal reaction. Also the agent should lose his license becuse he isn’t doing what he should be. No, pretty sure the agent and player are in lockstep.

lol no sense arguing. AD clearly does prefer the Lakers right now...OR a team that he can make a playoff run with this season. He doesn't want to burn another potential playoff run waiting for Boston, hence the leaks. I will bet you literally anything that leaks start coming out closer to the summer that he is now open to Boston.

[Muscles]

From everything that's being reported Davis has no desire to come here. I'm sure Ainge will take the risk but you'd hate to have Davis for one year have him leave and then lose out on all your assets like Tatum and or brown.

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

lol no. AD could come out and say he wants to go to Boston tomorrow and 100% it doesn't get leaked like everything else. Paul doesn't owe anything to AD, he owes everything to LeBron.

This is why GMs across the league despise Rich Paul and Lebron. Pelicans purposely made Lakers look like fools because of this. Rich Paul is at the service of Lebron the guy who owns part of his company. That type of conflict of interest will always be fought back against because Pauls immediate concern is getting Lebron a ring by getting him the best players. However, no way in hell AD demands a trade this early. It was Rich Paul with persuading AD to demand a trade before the deadline because Paul knows that Lebrons window is rapidly closing. The groin injury accelerated the timetable.

[leper-con]

In some ways if this tradfe goes through it will be similar to eh Melo deal. Lakers will not have enough pieces to make other moves.

But eh Buss family will spend money and go over the tax. They are a family in the basketball business.

[jfs1000d]

From everything that's being reported Davis has no desire to come here. I'm sure Ainge will take the risk but you'd hate to have Davis for one year have him leave and then lose out on all your assets like Tatum and or brown.

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

Not true on the agent part of it. He has other clients, other motivations, and other interests and feelings. Sometimes the agent leads the way and bullies his client somewhere.

[ViperGTS]

I know I speak for a lot of posters here when I say that it's mindboggling to see you continually refuse to acknowledge that Davis is motivated to let word get out that he doesn't want to go to Boston because it's the only way he gets traded this week.

You are swallowing whole the message that AD doesn't want to play in Boston when the real message is that AD prefers to be traded this week. Fortunately, some people are getting the real message.

Why is it, do you think, that Ainge doesn't agree with you that Davis is unlikely to resign? Do you know better than him? You seem very sure of yourself that the best GM in the business is "in denial."

That is pie in the sky BS. If he was open to anywhere he would wait until the offseason, and work with the Pels for the best deal and a place he would be open to. Helps him, and helps his former team. My supposition is he knows Boston might have a good package that NO might want. Thus he pushes for the trade now so he can get to LA without Boston being in the mix. Again, anything his agent does is what he wants to be done or he would fire him.

Problem is there are two sides here. I have stated a package of Brown OR Tatum plus whatever would be amenable in the current situation. Others want everything and the new practice facility thrown in as well.

It is not pie in the sky. It is perfectly reasonable. Your refusal to acknowledge that logic undermines everything you say.

If you're AD, and you have a choice of playing for your preferred team right away, or sitting on the pine and dealing with this drama all season long until being sent to a team you can't handpick, YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN TO MAKE OPTION "A" HAPPEN. You don't get that? This is pretty simple human behavior. You don't have to be Sun Tzu to see that.

But you're going to go ahead and take everything being circulated at face value. You really think he prefers MILWAUKEE to BOSTON??????

What drama? The drama he created because ge figured he could get to LA? There would be no drama if he hadn’t requested a trade, correct? Also, the list is a smokescreen because Mil cannot trade for him. They have zero assets and don’t even have first round picks until 2022 or something. The real play is LA. Always has been.

[ViperGTS]

From everything that's being reported Davis has no desire to come here. I'm sure Ainge will take the risk but you'd hate to have Davis for one year have him leave and then lose out on all your assets like Tatum and or brown.

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

Not true on the agent part of it. He has other clients, other motivations, and other interests and feelings. Sometimes the agent leads the way and bullies his client somewhere.

Then that is not a very good agent and not a good look on any player.

[ajones9219]

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

Not true on the agent part of it. He has other clients, other motivations, and other interests and feelings. Sometimes the agent leads the way and bullies his client somewhere.

Then that is not a very good agent and not a good look on any player.

That's just the reality of the league

[JHTruth]

And all the people saying not to trade Tatum+ for AD now wouod be saying not to trade Al+ for KG.

Now they'll quote me and say Tatum>>Al, and theyre right. But AD is 6 years younger than KG was, of course he will get a bigger haul.

It's the internet and everyone is allowed to have an opinion, but those opinions are not created equally. Some of these guys make me want to stick ice picks into my scrotum every time they post. Just bad thinkers, with no ability to assess talent or think critically. Wouldn't be that bad if they weren't so loud about it. We need a junior varsity board where guys can get relegated to. Maybe at the end of the year, a couple of guys move up or down based on the previous year's performance like the EPL, lol.

Its **** painful at times...

Anthony Davis is going to be the best player in the league for 3-4 years soon. Some of these people arguing how we dont have to trade Tatum for him are blowing ny mind. The melt down these individuals will have when we trade Jaylen+Jayson+ all of our picks is to be fun to revisit afterwards.

We don't HAVE to trade anyone. This trade isn't happening in a vacuum. We just have to beat out the second best offer. Theoretically assessing AD's "value" to say he's "worth" Tatum and/or Brown is an academic exercise. Of course he is. But Kyrie was also worth a heck of a lot more than a broken-down IT, the 8th pick, and Zizic as well. It doesn't matter what a player is worth in a vacuum. It matters what the offers are actually on the table. In this case, if you're Ainge, you say "Look, obviously you're not impressed with the Lakers offer. But AD is not seeming friendly to coming to Boston. So here's Brown, Rozier, plus picks. Ingram and Ball are regressing this year. Boom you just played Dell Demps, he thought waiting would get him Tatum..

[hickfromfrenchlick]

That is pie in the sky BS. If he was open to anywhere he would wait until the offseason, and work with the Pels for the best deal and a place he would be open to. Helps him, and helps his former team. My supposition is he knows Boston might have a good package that NO might want. Thus he pushes for the trade now so he can get to LA without Boston being in the mix. Again, anything his agent does is what he wants to be done or he would fire him.

Problem is there are two sides here. I have stated a package of Brown OR Tatum plus whatever would be amenable in the current situation. Others want everything and the new practice facility thrown in as well.

It is not pie in the sky. It is perfectly reasonable. Your refusal to acknowledge that logic undermines everything you say.

If you're AD, and you have a choice of playing for your preferred team right away, or sitting on the pine and dealing with this drama all season long until being sent to a team you can't handpick, YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN TO MAKE OPTION "A" HAPPEN. You don't get that? This is pretty simple human behavior. You don't have to be Sun Tzu to see that.

But you're going to go ahead and take everything being circulated at face value. You really think he prefers MILWAUKEE to BOSTON??????

What drama? The drama he created because ge figured he could get to LA? There would be no drama if he hadn’t requested a trade, correct? Also, the list is a smokescreen because Mil cannot trade for him. They have zero assets and don’t even have first round picks until 2022 or something. The real play is LA. Always has been.

Yes, exactly, that's the real play. That's why he decided to suffer the drama and make his push to go to LA ASAP.

But if it doesn't work, going to the team that will get him in the NBA Finals year after year after year will be a good consolation.

Danny won't trade for him if he doesn't believe that to be the case.

[K For Three]

Can you give me a quick synopsis, what did he say?

Who with Parliament? He was going off on Jaylen for some time saying he was not Celtics material and would not be here long term. If you backtrack in the Jaylen Brown thread it's all in there.
I got no doubt in my mind Brown really bothered Kyrie. People will blame Kyrie since it's the trendy thing to do, but we don't know what happened behind the scenes.

My female intuition so to speak has been rubbed the wrong way by Jaylen all season long, didn't happen last year. But I told Parl this privately.

I always maintained something happened behind the scenes that made Irving go mental himself. Morris shoving Jaylen was the icing on the cake. Irving publicly almost demanding he start next to Smart earlier in the year was further proof.

Just hoping all is well with Jaylen and the guys now.......they play fine but the second unit will always have some issues IMO and Gordon doesn't have a chance in hell with Jaylen/Rozier wanting the ball. People can bash Kyrie all they want, but Brown/Rozier are a million times more selfish on the court then Irving ever has been on this team.

Luckily Brown has been balling for a while now, part of me doesn't think he would even care if he was moved to NO. He wants stats and wants to be an all star. Has to all be kept quiet though since we can't let anyone think there is a problem with any of our guys.

well said.

NBA is a lot about guys getting stats and money. Young guys are coming up to extensions and feeling tons of pressure to produce and get paid. Marcus Smart had some of the same issues and has since settled down and become the player we all wanted him to be. can't blame these guys they are all ultra competitive. I'd be jacking shots from the parking lot before i even see the arena.

When Kyrie mentioned several times being less selfish it was clear as day he was speaking about Brown and Rozier and sometimes even his buddy Tatum. And frankly I don't blame Kyrie since the way Brown and Rozier were for months to start the year was down right embarrassing on the court. And Tatum's "I want to be Kobe" campaign was annoying us all.

And as much as I hate Lebron, he did go out of his way to get Kyrie the ball a lot and to showcase him in Cleveland. Kyrie was a reason he even wanted to go back to Cleveland since he knew he was such an unbelievable offensive talent that complimented him. But Lebron always had issues trying to get Kyrie to play defense and do the little things on the court. There was a story once where the Cavs won but Lebron screamed at Kyrie about his lack of assists.

Lebron also tried to shake the Kobe out of Kyrie since before we had Tatum/Kobe we had Kyrie/Kobe. Kyrie worshiped Kobe and that was his original mentor and Lebron tried to get Kyrie to become more of a team player while Kyrie admitted he used to think "mamba mentality" on the court.

That is sort of the basis of Kyrie realizing Lebron was right at the time. He probably should not have shared the phone call publicly since it sadly got used against him by the media saying he wants to play with Lebron again.

Kyrie's game has truly evolved this year though to new levels, he's becoming a complete player. He will ball hog when needed but thats only when needed.


Kyrie also has made a few comments in recent weeks/months about hoping to build chemistry with Gordon not only this year but for a few years down the road. And how he wants to work with Brad Stevens for years to come.

I don't think Kyrie has a problem with the Celtics. I think he wants the AD trade and he wants Danny to go the full veteran route rather then "when the vets/youth collide". But we have to slug through all this for the AD trade and keep all our assets.

It's a tough team to lead too. You have a very unique mix of guys who might not all have the same goals. They are all talented enough to put it together and make the finals this year though.

[jfs1000d]

Bingo. Just heard something dumb as rocks. Mannix: Sometime younhsve to separate what the people around the player want, what the agent wants, and what the player wants,”

WTF. As I stated earlier the AGENT DOES WHAT THE PLAYER WANTS. Unreal.

Not true on the agent part of it. He has other clients, other motivations, and other interests and feelings. Sometimes the agent leads the way and bullies his client somewhere.

Then that is not a very good agent and not a good look on any player.

You ever see Scott Boras in baseball? Players are emotional and love to be wanted. Agents are about money.

Players don't know how to navigate this thing. Paul sees AD as the next in line to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq. That's what they are pining for.

And, LA is a Lakers town. This AD stuff has overwhelmed the Rams super bowl appearance. What other place in the NBA could that happen?

When you look at towns, New York is a Yankees town, Boston a Red Sox town (Pats coming close), Chicago a Bears town, Los Angeles is a Lakers town.

What other major media market in the united states is its most popular team an NBA team?