Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt. 10: Free Agency is in Free Flow

[Edug27]

C'mon man, you're not even trying here. If I play your way, "so you feel Beal is the only player in the entire league that will make the Celtics contenders"?

You're not getting Beal for just Jaylen and Smart. It would take them, MEM pick and probably another Cs first. You don't think you can flip that package for ANY other player that would fit better? I'm not at all opposed to trading Jaylen, or anyone. I am opposed to trading that entire package for Beal. Why is that so hard to understand? Other players to target would be the one's that have been discussed ad nauseum - Capela, Sabonis, Turner, Isaac, Gordon, or others. No, before you ask, I don't think they're better than Beal. None of them. But, they would come a lot cheaper (some might even return an asset back) and fit a lot better, imo. Then you still have other assets remaining.

My whole point is - IF Beal comes available, you offer Jaylen, Smart, and whatever picks make sense. If that's not enough, then move on. If it is enough, then you do the deal 10 times out of 10. Mainly because I think Beal is a better player than Jaylen will be, makes us a much better team, and once you pay Jaylen next summer, he won't be as easy to move or as attractive an asset going forward. The things Smart brings to the table in his limited minutes are easier to replace than what Beal offers. Beal is a big time scorer. Kemba, Beal and Tatum is an ideal fit together. We will just agree to disagree and move on.

Picks is a little vague. Just to be clear before we move on, would you do Jaylen, Smart, MEM pick, BOS 2022?

No. Unless it's protected (Not even sure if you can do that though), I never once said I would throw the farm at Washington.

[MagicBagley18]

No, but I don't think it's as much better as you think it is either. It's redundant offensive skills with nobody to do the dirty work. Not saying Smart/Jaylen is some nirvana team. But, mainly, I don't see Kemba & Beal as the right platform to build a contender around. I would rather use those trade pieces for another player. TBD who that is, but I don't buy the idea that nobody else will shake loose. (Or that Beal is actually loose for that price).

good points. yes someone may shake loose but who? booker? love? blake? def not 2 way players and most def not defensive guys. KAT-who costs tatum? jokic-not happening. the rest of the big dogs are locked up on new contracts or just traded to new spots. the top guys aren't going anywhere anytime soon. KAT would be that guy and his cost could be 1 step forward 2 back.

when the warriors were in the league with KD, ainge passed on a lot of deals and i agreed with most because the asset cost of getting the player wasn't worth the end result of losing to the warriors in 4 and he was saving for AD. it made no sense trading assets for a chance to be the perennial runner ups.

the league has re-calibrated and while none of those 4 are top 7 talent collectively they would be near if not the top in the league with stevens coaching and that's not counting on tatum who could still be that superstar and he would still be on the roster to dangle for that top 5 mvp talent if they ever become available.

in the past few seasons we have saw PG traded, kawhi traded, ad traded, and for different reasons like fit (jimmy butler) or headcases (boogie and again butler lol) ainge passed and we gambled on kyrie who didn't wanna be here. i don't think we should just keep passing on very good players just because they aren't the mvp caliber guys and i also think acquiring players who actually wanna be here should matter also.

Who knows? Someone will bust out, someone will be unhappy, they always do. Nobody thought PG or Russ were available a few weeks ago. Nobody thought Siakam would be a star last summer, etc.

I agree you can't pass on everyone, and am not advocating that. I'd do smaller trades, if anything. But I don't think we can keep ignoring fit, either. Since we signed Kemba (who I wouldn't have), I don't think we can trade for Beal, too. If we hadn't signed Kemba, I would have been all about trading for Beal. Smart, Beal, Tatum, Hayward, Williams with NAW, Clarke, Theis, Ed Davis, etc? Sign me up. But with our current squad, I'm passing.

ok fair enough just have to agree to disagree. to me beal and hayward can work with the ball or without, as they both move well off the ball and can catch and shoot and both can be a ball handler in a 2nd unit.

i also see no one of significance shaking loose outside of KAT and that's me knowing and recognizing crazy things happen in this fluid league.

[zoyathedestroya]

Looks like I spoke AD leaving into existence. He’s creaked the door open from his recent interview with Rachel Nichols.

Let the tampering begin. Heat, Celts, Warriors and Clippers should be all over him this season.

FWIW, I think it was the right response. Whatever he's feeling/thinking now about his long-term plans, he doesn't have to broadcast in public. Probably learned his lesson from Kyrie lol.

You force a trade, you use all of your leverage to bend the entire league to your will, you take Boston out of the running, it’s Lakers or bust, and then even before training camp you come out with an “Ask me July 1st”?

Why put pressure on yourself?
You already exercised your power over one organization, why surrender it to your new team?
It's still better than making a promise and being unable to back it up with your actions.
"Ask me July 1st" has all sorts of bad connotations mostly because he proposed to ticketholders/fans prior to the season.

[zoyathedestroya]

Haven’t been following for a couple of days- the latest rumor is Chris Paul to the Heat? For what salary?

Didn't dig deep into the reporting. Just saw bits and pieces on Twitter. Seems like OKC are hesitant to part with picks to unload CP to Miami. But Paul wants to go to Miami. It will basically be a salary dump, most likely Winslow + fillers coming back to Thunder.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Because AD leaving LA, after everything Rich Paul did, would be like breaking an engagement at the altar with someone you pressured into leaving their previous spouse, quitting their job and moving to a new city to be with you, and paying tens of thousands of dollars for a destination wedding.

[CelticsPride18]

Because AD leaving LA, after everything Rich Paul did, would be like breaking an engagement at the altar with someone you pressured into leaving their previous spouse, quitting their job and moving to a new city to be with you, and paying tens of thousands of dollars for a destination wedding.

I think Lebron’s age is a concern for AD. If he starts declining this season the Lakers tittle aspirations take a massive hit. AD locking up 5 years with an aging Lebron and no assets is not an ideal situation.

[FlatearthZorro]

Because AD leaving LA, after everything Rich Paul did, would be like breaking an engagement at the altar with someone you pressured into leaving their previous spouse, quitting their job and moving to a new city to be with you, and paying tens of thousands of dollars for a destination wedding.

I think Lebron’s age is a concern for AD. If he starts declining this season the Lakers tittle aspirations take a massive hit. AD locking up 5 years with an aging Lebron and no assets is not an ideal situation.

Pretty much and their supporting cast is very questionable. Both LBJ and AD gonna need to score 30 a piece to be able to win 50+ games. Green doesn't score much, Avery has looked washed up for 2 years(who knows maybe he comes back), Rondo can give u 10 a night, same for Javale. They don't have many scoring options.

[MagicBagley18]

AD is going nowhere...he'll be a laker for the foreseeable future. don't fall for the okie doke

[zoyathedestroya]

AD re-signing with the Pelicans next summer should be fun. That would be the ultimate grifting job by Griff.

[FlatearthZorro]

AD is going nowhere...he'll be a laker for the foreseeable future. don't fall for the okie doke

Yea, that's all fake so that they don't think it was all set up with him, Rich Paul and that he already made up his mind and stuff. I think he will stay, winning I dunno.

[djFan71]

My whole point is - IF Beal comes available, you offer Jaylen, Smart, and whatever picks make sense. If that's not enough, then move on. If it is enough, then you do the deal 10 times out of 10. Mainly because I think Beal is a better player than Jaylen will be, makes us a much better team, and once you pay Jaylen next summer, he won't be as easy to move or as attractive an asset going forward. The things Smart brings to the table in his limited minutes are easier to replace than what Beal offers. Beal is a big time scorer. Kemba, Beal and Tatum is an ideal fit together. We will just agree to disagree and move on.

Picks is a little vague. Just to be clear before we move on, would you do Jaylen, Smart, MEM pick, BOS 2022?

No. Unless it's protected (Not even sure if you can do that though), I never once said I would throw the farm at Washington.

Not sure you get him at that point. But, that's probably another discussion we won't agree on.

[zoyathedestroya]

AD is going nowhere...he'll be a laker for the foreseeable future. don't fall for the okie doke

Yea, that's all fake so that they don't think it was all set up with him, Rich Paul and that he already made up his mind and stuff. I think he will stay, winning I dunno.

That's the more plausible scenario. Rich Paul feeding rehearsed answers to a guy who doesn't dress himself.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Because AD leaving LA, after everything Rich Paul did, would be like breaking an engagement at the altar with someone you pressured into leaving their previous spouse, quitting their job and moving to a new city to be with you, and paying tens of thousands of dollars for a destination wedding.

I think Lebron’s age is a concern for AD. If he starts declining this season the Lakers tittle aspirations take a massive hit. AD locking up 5 years with an aging Lebron and no assets is not an ideal situation.

God help me, I want to do social justice clap emoji on this.. That is the exact situation he asked for - he could’ve gone to Boston or New York or the Clippers but his agent kneecapped every other bidder..

If it comes out that Davis wanted LA but never with assurances he’d re-up in a year..

[Half-Full]

So you prefer not trading Jaylen for Beal, and rather pay Jaylen his 20ish mil per season and wait until a better player than Beal comes available in hopes that team is willing to trade them for our overpaid young player... Got it.

C'mon man, you're not even trying here. If I play your way, "so you feel Beal is the only player in the entire league that will make the Celtics contenders"?

You're not getting Beal for just Jaylen and Smart. It would take them, MEM pick and probably another Cs first. You don't think you can flip that package for ANY other player that would fit better? I'm not at all opposed to trading Jaylen, or anyone. I am opposed to trading that entire package for Beal. Why is that so hard to understand? Other players to target would be the one's that have been discussed ad nauseum - Capela, Sabonis, Turner, Isaac, Gordon, or others. No, before you ask, I don't think they're better than Beal. None of them. But, they would come a lot cheaper (some might even return an asset back) and fit a lot better, imo. Then you still have other assets remaining.

My whole point is - IF Beal comes available, you offer Jaylen, Smart, and whatever picks make sense. If that's not enough, then move on. If it is enough, then you do the deal 10 times out of 10. Mainly because I think Beal is a better player than Jaylen will be, makes us a much better team, and once you pay Jaylen next summer, he won't be as easy to move or as attractive an asset going forward. The things Smart brings to the table in his limited minutes are easier to replace than what Beal offers. Beal is a big time scorer. Kemba, Beal and Tatum is an ideal fit together. We will just agree to disagree and move on.

The things Smart brings to the table in his limited minutes? Smart has averaged 28.4 minutes a game over the past 5 years. I would not categorize that as "limited minutes," not by any stretch. I am not going to go into exactly what I think Smart brings to the table, as it has been discussed many times, but I don't think it would be easy to replace him. Beal is certainly a good player, and I do think he would make a good fit with Kemba and Tatum. I just do not think he is worth Jaylen, Smart, plus picks.

[Darth Celtic]

I think the only way Washington trades Beal anytime soon is if a) Wall is attached or b) they get a haul that's about 50-60% of what OKC got for Paul George.

Maybe a package highlighted by Brown and the Memphis pick could get us in the conversation, but I wouldn't underestimate other desperate teams willingness to mortgage their future.

Guessing the cost would be Smart, Brown, MEM pick and another 2 unprotected firsts, including in 2022. Definitely steep.

just on math jaylen and brown would have to go. it is most likely jaylen/smart/memphis milwaukee

Jaylen and Brown? Are you trying to clone him or include his salary twice?

[Edug27]

Picks is a little vague. Just to be clear before we move on, would you do Jaylen, Smart, MEM pick, BOS 2022?

No. Unless it's protected (Not even sure if you can do that though), I never once said I would throw the farm at Washington.

Not sure you get him at that point. But, that's probably another discussion we won't agree on.

Well, we can agree there actually. We probably don't. At least make the offer though.

[Edug27]

C'mon man, you're not even trying here. If I play your way, "so you feel Beal is the only player in the entire league that will make the Celtics contenders"?

You're not getting Beal for just Jaylen and Smart. It would take them, MEM pick and probably another Cs first. You don't think you can flip that package for ANY other player that would fit better? I'm not at all opposed to trading Jaylen, or anyone. I am opposed to trading that entire package for Beal. Why is that so hard to understand? Other players to target would be the one's that have been discussed ad nauseum - Capela, Sabonis, Turner, Isaac, Gordon, or others. No, before you ask, I don't think they're better than Beal. None of them. But, they would come a lot cheaper (some might even return an asset back) and fit a lot better, imo. Then you still have other assets remaining.

My whole point is - IF Beal comes available, you offer Jaylen, Smart, and whatever picks make sense. If that's not enough, then move on. If it is enough, then you do the deal 10 times out of 10. Mainly because I think Beal is a better player than Jaylen will be, makes us a much better team, and once you pay Jaylen next summer, he won't be as easy to move or as attractive an asset going forward. The things Smart brings to the table in his limited minutes are easier to replace than what Beal offers. Beal is a big time scorer. Kemba, Beal and Tatum is an ideal fit together. We will just agree to disagree and move on.

The things Smart brings to the table in his limited minutes? Smart has averaged 28.4 minutes a game over the past 5 years. I would not categorize that as "limited minutes," not by any stretch. I am not going to go into exactly what I think Smart brings to the table, as it has been discussed many times, but I don't think it would be easy to replace him. Beal is certainly a good player, and I do think he would make a good fit with Kemba and Tatum. I just do not think he is worth Jaylen, Smart, plus picks.

I hear you. I just disagree. Think he's actually worth more than Jaylen, Smart and picks.. which is why we'd probably be outbid.

[Edug27]

Guessing the cost would be Smart, Brown, MEM pick and another 2 unprotected firsts, including in 2022. Definitely steep.

just on math jaylen and brown would have to go. it is most likely jaylen/smart/memphis milwaukee

Jaylen and Brown? Are you trying to clone him or include his salary twice?

So 2 Jaylens? Do the Wiz still say no?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Can we trade the second Hayward instead?

[London2Boston]

Would Beal and Kemba even work as a duo?

Our D is going to a nightmare already. Surely a stud big man will shake loose soon enough? No need to rush a sea for the first star that comes up.