2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[ConstableGeneva]

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[djFan71]

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Indianapolis? There's an Indiana connection? You know we're picking him!

[themoneyteam2]

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Barf.

[giambijuice]

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Barf.

double barf and that's not toward tillman...it's toward "what if someone better is there".


i want shooters and size and preferably shooters with size. and a young pg that can finish would be nice and don't say we don't have room because we do.

[Bleeding Green]

God damn it, I really wanted Tillman. But if the reporters have wind of it, he's not even on Ainge's actual draft board.

Tillman is gonna be sick. Best passing big in the draft, highly switchable, long, smart, ready to go day 1. Gonna be elite at PnR immediately, immediately going to be a great team defensive player. How one could barf at that at pick 30 is astonishing. I'm the biggest Theis homer on this board and TIllman starting over Theis by the end of the year wouldn't surprise me.

His outside shot isn't good, but if it were, he'd be a lottery pick. And everyone wants 5s who can shoot from outside, but how many are truly impacting the game with their outside shooting at a league average or higher clip? KAT, JJJ, Olynyk, Kristaps, Horford, Ibaka and that's about it. A few others take a lot, but do you really need to guard ~30% outside shooters like Embiid and Brook Lopez? If he can take one corner three every game, that's great. Difference between a 30 pct shooter and a 40% shooter on that volume is 26 points over a full season.

[themoneyteam2]

Tillman was a great college player but really not buying him in this league. Undersized big man who isn't all that athletic. You're drafting a career bench player. I think he's just a worse Grant Williams honestly and I'm actually a big fan of Grant's.

I watch a ton of CBB but just don't see it. Could be wrong obviously but that's a low upside pick for a 6'8" big man who has questions shooting the three and isn't athletic.

Great character kid and great team defender but just not a fan of picking someone with such low upside there at 30 personally. I'm sure he'll be a fine bench player though.

[JHTruth]

God damn it, I really wanted Tillman. But if the reporters have wind of it, he's not even on Ainge's actual draft board.

Tillman is gonna be sick. Best passing big in the draft, highly switchable, long, smart, ready to go day 1. Gonna be elite at PnR immediately, immediately going to be a great team defensive player. How one could barf at that at pick 30 is astonishing. I'm the biggest Theis homer on this board and TIllman starting over Theis by the end of the year wouldn't surprise me.

His outside shot isn't good, but if it were, he'd be a lottery pick. And everyone wants 5s who can shoot from outside, but how many are truly impacting the game with their outside shooting at a league average or higher clip? KAT, JJJ, Olynyk, Kristaps, Horford, Ibaka and that's about it. A few others take a lot, but do you really need to guard ~30% outside shooters like Embiid and Brook Lopez? If he can take one corner three every game, that's great. Difference between a 30 pct shooter and a 40% shooter on that volume is 26 points over a full season.

Full Disclosure I can't stand Tillman, it's probably just because all the same people that loved Grant Williams love Tillman. That's fine, Grant is a solid player but you only need so many of those guys on your team. Then again, Danny loves these types. Powe, Big Baby, Sully, Grant. Tillman starting? LOL Come on Bro, he's a career bench guy..

[Bleeding Green]

How is he undersized, he's strong as **** and has a 7'2" wingspan. He is plenty athletic laterally, am I watching the same guy? He's certainly not an explosive rim runner or anything, but I think he moves well side to side and has great recovery with his long arms. He's not a twitch athlete like Nnaji, but I think his talent is just much, much higher from a defensive awareness, passing, etc kind of thing. And for a big, that's so important to me.

[Scarletfire81]

I think we have to remember KG hurt his knee in 2009 and came back from it.

[threrf23]

Tillman was a great college player but really not buying him in this league. Undersized big man who isn't all that athletic. You're drafting a career bench player. I think he's just a worse Grant Williams honestly and I'm actually a big fan of Grant's.

I watch a ton of CBB but just don't see it. Could be wrong obviously but that's a low upside pick for a 6'8" big man who has questions shooting the three and isn't athletic.

Great character kid and great team defender but just not a fan of picking someone with such low upside there at 30 personally. I'm sure he'll be a fine bench player though.

He's a few inches longer and a better rebounder, would also seem to be a better inside scorer. But otherwise I agree with you.

He didn't leave the greatest impression on me in last year's tourney, I might be confusing him with Ward but the point is he didn't stick out to me. Grant did, on the defensive end.

[themoneyteam2]

How is he undersized, he's strong as **** and has a 7'2" wingspan. He is plenty athletic laterally, am I watching the same guy? He's certainly not an explosive rim runner or anything, but I think he moves well side to side and has great recovery with his long arms. He's not a twitch athlete like Nnaji, but I think his talent is just much, much higher from a defensive awareness, passing, etc kind of thing. And for a big, that's so important to me.

Undersized for a big man at only 6-foot-8 and lack of explosiveness around the rim could become problematic against NBA athletes.

He's a safe pick. He'll be a career role player and likely never a starter. Very low upside but high floor. Great team defender and great IQ. I just personally am not high on him because I don't think he's an NBA athlete and would rather see a high upside guy at end of first round pick.

Seems very redundant with Grant Williams, albeit he's bigger, but Grant was a far superior player to Tillman in college. I've watched a ton of CBB and yeah he was a good college player but I really just don't see his game contributing much at the next level.

[Bleeding Green]

How is he undersized, he's strong as **** and has a 7'2" wingspan. He is plenty athletic laterally, am I watching the same guy? He's certainly not an explosive rim runner or anything, but I think he moves well side to side and has great recovery with his long arms. He's not a twitch athlete like Nnaji, but I think his talent is just much, much higher from a defensive awareness, passing, etc kind of thing. And for a big, that's so important to me.

Undersized for a big man at only 6-foot-8 and lack of explosiveness around the rim could become problematic against NBA athletes.

He's a safe pick. He'll be a career role player and likely never a starter. Very low upside but high floor. Great team defender and great IQ. I just personally am not high on him because I don't think he's an NBA athlete and would rather see a high upside guy at end of first round pick.

Seems very redundant with Grant Williams, albeit he's bigger, but Grant was a far superior player to Tillman in college. I've watched a ton of CBB and yeah he was a good college player but I really just don't see his game contributing much at the next level.

He just does everything I want out of a big. He's Theis but a few years younger to me. He has the wingspan and the ability. Same with Theis, long arms, not super vertical player, only 6'8", but knows exactly where to be on every play and actually defends closeouts and drops into coverage perfectly every time. Perfect 20 minutes a game player and then when the game matters, go with all wings. Getting Tillman at 30 is such insane value as opposed to taking like Jalen Smith at 14.

[threrf23]

Seems very redundant with Grant Williams, albeit he's bigger, but Grant was a far superior player to Tillman in college. I've watched a ton of CBB and yeah he was a good college player but I really just don't see his game contributing much at the next level.

I'd say his strengths and weaknesses are more Daniel Theis than Grant Williams?

Give Theis some extra size and strength and make him younger - and we get good return for the 30th pick IMO

(I agree with BG on this front, typed this before reading BG's post)

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[Bleeding Green]

Damn dude you might wanna delete if you agreed with me. I'm scrubbing all my posts in the draft threads shortly like I usually doso I don't have to read about how I thought Elie Okobo would be better than Trae Young.

[captain green]

Damn dude you might wanna delete if you agreed with me. I'm scrubbing all my posts in the draft threads shortly like I usually doso I don't have to read about how I thought Elie Okobo would be better than Trae Young.

I never delete a post even when I'm wrong lol

[JHTruth]

Seems very redundant with Grant Williams, albeit he's bigger, but Grant was a far superior player to Tillman in college. I've watched a ton of CBB and yeah he was a good college player but I really just don't see his game contributing much at the next level.

I'd say his strengths and weaknesses are more Daniel Theis than Grant Williams?

Give Theis some extra size and strength and make him younger - and we get good return for the 30th pick IMO

(I agree with BG on this front, typed this before reading BG's post)

Wow the next Daniel Theis!! Is this supposed to excite me? Now I'm even more depressed...

[themoneyteam2]

Damn dude you might wanna delete if you agreed with me. I'm scrubbing all my posts in the draft threads shortly like I usually doso I don't have to read about how I thought Elie Okobo would be better than Trae Young.

I don't agree with you but respect your opinion. We just have differing opinions on Tillman which is fine lol.

And I don't delete posts. I stick to what I say.

[djFan71]

Seems very redundant with Grant Williams, albeit he's bigger, but Grant was a far superior player to Tillman in college. I've watched a ton of CBB and yeah he was a good college player but I really just don't see his game contributing much at the next level.

I'd say his strengths and weaknesses are more Daniel Theis than Grant Williams?

Give Theis some extra size and strength and make him younger - and we get good return for the 30th pick IMO

(I agree with BG on this front, typed this before reading BG's post)

Wow the next Daniel Theis!! Is this supposed to excite me? Now I'm even more depressed...

For pick 30? Heck yeah that would excite me.

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Bummed cause I’d typed out a long post earlier today including how I feel Tillman screams AINGE PICK and then it deleted itself before I could push “submit” so now I’m just gonna add it also said I’m resigned to Hampton and Maledon if we keep the picks.