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Post#1881 » by celtxman » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:44 pm

ddb wrote:Call me crazy but I don’t think now is the time to trade Jrue. KP is the guy to move. Expiring contract which means a team with space may be willing to take him in as a short-term low risk high reward guy. Pistons make sense here. For Boston you have to figure you played half the games the last two seasons without KP. Moving him for Fontechio, #37 solves the second apron stuff and opens up MLE from what I understand. Add a 3/D wing in free agency. Resign Horford on a 2-year team friendly deal. 2nd year a full player option. Essentially a 1 year deal then and Al can take it year by year with retirement.

I’d see if Milwaukee is open to a JB, 3 1sts, 3seconds and a pick swap deal for Giannis. Giannis gives you a real title window and even without JT, with White/Jrue/PP/Hauser/Al and whatever else is on the roster that’s a top 3-4 seed in a weak east. Then when Tatum returns, and he will, you suddenly are the only team in the association with TWO Top 5 players.

This is how you win Banner 19 and dare I say, 20.
The scenarios I've mentioned have Jrue leaving followed by KP to a team desperate to win a championship in a deadline trade. That's a 2-3 year approach . Your scenario puts the Celtics to be ready, if lucky with Tatum, contending by the end of next year. I would, of course agree to do this to get Giannis,and trade KP (and probably Hauser) to pay Kornet and Horford to get below the 2nd apron. Remember Giannis makes $4.5 million more than Brown next season. So it will take work to stay under the 2nd apron and figure out what to do at center. Keeping Hauser for shooting will be tough.
With all that said, if they can figure it all out, I agree it is a fascinating idea. You do indeed have two top 5 players (assuming Tatum returns at the same level.)
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Post#1882 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:48 pm

Windhorst reporting Cavs are open to trading Garland.

After 64 wins and the #1 offense in the regular season, Cavs now breaking up the core?

Maybe Cavs just don't want to pay Garland 120m+ the next 3 seasons.

Like I said, this version of the CBA will force teams to shed big contracts.
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Post#1883 » by celtxman » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:02 pm

Bill Lumbergh wrote:When do we think that Brad will make his first deal? In the several days before the draft? That's what I am going with. Man, it's getting close. Can't wait. Plus, the rumors and leaks will start to come out more and more. Great time of the year for fans.

For 2nd apron reasons it almost has to be in the week after the Finals and before July 1st. There will be a flurry of activity at that point. Everything I can find says NBA trades resume after the Finals are finished. Does that mean after the buzzer sounds in the last game? The day after? In theory if the Pacers win in 4 there could be trades June 14. I'm not sure why the NBA doesn't just say " NBA trades may resume at 4pm EST the day after the last Finals game. Maybe it does somewhere.
The reason is simple why the Celtics get something done before July 1. They can take in players who will never play for the Celtics but allow them to lower salary. So for example KP to Detroit for Tim Hardaway Jr and Dennis Schroeder. It has to be done before July 1st because Schroeder and Hardaway will not play for the Celtics, they were used to match KPs salaries and become free agents July 1.
The trades are being worked on right now. If they aren't officially announced we'll hear them from Shams Chanaria. The latest the Finals can last is June 22. So we're looking at a little over or even less than 2 weeks. It's not far!
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Post#1884 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:11 pm

RickyDizzle wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:Maybe White can also get us 5 1st rnd picks. :lol:


So you want to do a complete rebuild?

Here's the path to Flagg: Brown to SA for Vassell, Sochan and #2. Jrue and #2 to Dallas for Gafford, filler and #1.


Lol, so Dallas takes on Jrues crappy deal for the opportunity to not draft Flagg? Wouldn't they rather have JB in the first place. I'm assuming this must be a joke.


Depends on what they think of the second best player in the draft. Maybe they think he will be as good as Flagg.
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Post#1885 » by yeleven11 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:12 pm

celtxman wrote:
Bill Lumbergh wrote:When do we think that Brad will make his first deal? In the several days before the draft? That's what I am going with. Man, it's getting close. Can't wait. Plus, the rumors and leaks will start to come out more and more. Great time of the year for fans.

For 2nd apron reasons it almost has to be in the week after the Finals and before July 1st. There will be a flurry of activity at that point. Everything I can find says NBA trades resume after the Finals are finished. Does that mean after the buzzer sounds in the last game? The day after? In theory if the Pacers win in 4 there could be trades June 14. I'm not sure why the NBA doesn't just say " NBA trades may resume at 4pm EST the day after the last Finals game. Maybe it does somewhere.


Any team outside of the pacers and thunder can make trades today. The kemba-horford trade brad made 4 yrs ago was actually during the playoffs
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Post#1886 » by TSmith0197 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:26 pm

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Okay, it's absurd. It won't happen. But let's play...

Here's the reality: Dallas has corned itself with a win-now posture. Kyrie + AD + Lively gives them a 2-3 year window. But it's not a window that's open very wide. Those three don't get it done. Especially in the west. They're missing a real star wing plus defense / playmaking in the backcourt. So you have to hand them something they can plausibly add to their top-3 guys and say 'we can make a run at it with these guys'. You also have to help them clear their books to do it. I think that means sending JB and DW to Dallas and bringing back PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. That's the core of the deal, although you might need to move KP first or add other parts on the deal with Dallas.


No thank you. Horrible. All that to take a chance on a white American. He’s good, but he isn’t Larry Bird.

What the hell’s that got to do with it? Prospects are potential but Flagg is aeons better than those guys were at that age the guy is an elite elite tier prospect at the most premium position. Oh and he’s prob the only one of our lifetime that wants to be in Boston.

AJ Dybansta next year favorite to go #1 is from Brockton, MA has said he would love to play with his favorite team, the Celtics.
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Post#1887 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:28 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
RickyDizzle wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
So you want to do a complete rebuild?

Here's the path to Flagg: Brown to SA for Vassell, Sochan and #2. Jrue and #2 to Dallas for Gafford, filler and #1.


Lol, so Dallas takes on Jrues crappy deal for the opportunity to not draft Flagg? Wouldn't they rather have JB in the first place. I'm assuming this must be a joke.


Depends on what they think of the second best player in the draft. Maybe they think he will be as good as Flagg.

The Luka trade was egregious.

Mavs fans got their hearts broken.

This is all about marketing and hype now.

If the #1 pick went to another team then there will be discussions about whether the #2 pick will be as good as the #1 pick.
But since this is damage control for the Mavs, there will be no discussions.
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Post#1888 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:43 pm

What was egregious about the Luka trade? He was fat and out of shape and was scheduled to be overpaid.
The way to bring fans back is to put a winning team on the floor. I don't think they will trade the pick either, but they might.
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Post#1889 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:46 pm

TSmith0197 wrote:
165bows wrote:
ddb wrote:
No thank you. Horrible. All that to take a chance on a white American. He’s good, but he isn’t Larry Bird.

What the hell’s that got to do with it? Prospects are potential but Flagg is aeons better than those guys were at that age the guy is an elite elite tier prospect at the most premium position. Oh and he’s prob the only one of our lifetime that wants to be in Boston.

AJ Dybansta next year favorite to go #1 is from Brockton, MA has said he would love to play with his favorite team, the Celtics.

I didnt know he was from here though he’s obviously relocated and he’s also said he’d love to play with Wemby on the Spurs. Point is, great if someone great wants to play here it’s not about what they look like that’s sophomoric.
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Post#1890 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:47 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:What was egregious about the Luka trade? He was fat and out of shape and was scheduled to be overpaid.
The way to bring fans back is to put a winning team on the floor. I don't think they will trade the pick either, but they might.

Doesn't matter what shape Luka was in.

It's marketing.

Mavs fans love Luka.

So why would you trade the player the fans love?
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Post#1891 » by celtxman » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:52 pm

yeleven11 wrote:
celtxman wrote:
Bill Lumbergh wrote:When do we think that Brad will make his first deal? In the several days before the draft? That's what I am going with. Man, it's getting close. Can't wait. Plus, the rumors and leaks will start to come out more and more. Great time of the year for fans.

For 2nd apron reasons it almost has to be in the week after the Finals and before July 1st. There will be a flurry of activity at that point. Everything I can find says NBA trades resume after the Finals are finished. Does that mean after the buzzer sounds in the last game? The day after? In theory if the Pacers win in 4 there could be trades June 14. I'm not sure why the NBA doesn't just say " NBA trades may resume at 4pm EST the day after the last Finals game. Maybe it does somewhere.


Any team outside of the pacers and thunder can make trades today. The kemba-horford trade brad made 4 yrs ago was actually during the playoffs

Good info, that is undeniable. The Horford trade was announced before the Finals ended, for sure, in 2021.
I just have no understanding of this. Scenario: Thunder have lost Game 1 of the Finals. If they were to somehow lose this series in 5 games there will be changes. The first game was a hiccup and OKC wins easily in a gentleman's sweep. We don't know. The Celtics come in with a great offer to Milwaukee that is take it or leave it for a couple of days. Milwaukee takes the bird in the hand with Celtics offer. Are we saying that OKC never had a chance to get Giannis?
It seems to punish the best teams
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Post#1892 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:58 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:What was egregious about the Luka trade? He was fat and out of shape and was scheduled to be overpaid.
The way to bring fans back is to put a winning team on the floor. I don't think they will trade the pick either, but they might.

Doesn't matter what shape Luka was in.

It's marketing.

Mavs fans love Luka.

So why would you trade the player the fans love?


Boston fans loved KG and Pierce too.
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Post#1893 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 4:10 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:What was egregious about the Luka trade? He was fat and out of shape and was scheduled to be overpaid.
The way to bring fans back is to put a winning team on the floor. I don't think they will trade the pick either, but they might.

Doesn't matter what shape Luka was in.

It's marketing.

Mavs fans love Luka.

So why would you trade the player the fans love?


Boston fans loved KG and Pierce too.

Come on, not the same situation.

When Ainge traded those guys, they were well past their prime.

Luka was traded at 26 years old.

That's entering your prime age.
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Post#1894 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 7, 2025 4:34 pm

Luka was prime beef. He was over 280 lbs at one point and he couldn't defend a traffic cone.
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Post#1895 » by Shak_Celts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 5:33 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
RickyDizzle wrote:
Lol, so Dallas takes on Jrues crappy deal for the opportunity to not draft Flagg? Wouldn't they rather have JB in the first place. I'm assuming this must be a joke.


Depends on what they think of the second best player in the draft. Maybe they think he will be as good as Flagg.

The Luka trade was egregious.

Mavs fans got their hearts broken.

This is all about marketing and hype now.

If the #1 pick went to another team then there will be discussions about whether the #2 pick will be as good as the #1 pick.
But since this is damage control for the Mavs, there will be no discussions.

Hell i keep forgetting mavs got 1 lol. The NBA is funny.
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Post#1896 » by yeleven11 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 5:44 pm

celtxman wrote:
yeleven11 wrote:
celtxman wrote:For 2nd apron reasons it almost has to be in the week after the Finals and before July 1st. There will be a flurry of activity at that point. Everything I can find says NBA trades resume after the Finals are finished. Does that mean after the buzzer sounds in the last game? The day after? In theory if the Pacers win in 4 there could be trades June 14. I'm not sure why the NBA doesn't just say " NBA trades may resume at 4pm EST the day after the last Finals game. Maybe it does somewhere.


Any team outside of the pacers and thunder can make trades today. The kemba-horford trade brad made 4 yrs ago was actually during the playoffs

Good info, that is undeniable. The Horford trade was announced before the Finals ended, for sure, in 2021.
I just have no understanding of this. Scenario: Thunder have lost Game 1 of the Finals. If they were to somehow lose this series in 5 games there will be changes. The first game was a hiccup and OKC wins easily in a gentleman's sweep. We don't know. The Celtics come in with a great offer to Milwaukee that is take it or leave it for a couple of days. Milwaukee takes the bird in the hand with Celtics offer. Are we saying that OKC never had a chance to get Giannis?
It seems to punish the best teams


The scenario you laid out is true which is why most teams just wait until the finals end unless a deal is too good to pass up and/or they don’t think what happens in the finals is gonna be a factor
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Post#1897 » by Shak_Celts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:08 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Luka was prime beef. He was over 280 lbs at one point and he couldn't defend a traffic cone.

Now, I think Luka can be overrated at times, but the guy is a top ten player. Maybe the trade will be the catalyst, he could get it together. I think he’ll be less of a defensive liability. If I’m being honest though, they could win with the Luka the mavs had. They almost did.
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Post#1898 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:44 pm

celtxman wrote:
Bill Lumbergh wrote:When do we think that Brad will make his first deal? In the several days before the draft? That's what I am going with. Man, it's getting close. Can't wait. Plus, the rumors and leaks will start to come out more and more. Great time of the year for fans.

For 2nd apron reasons it almost has to be in the week after the Finals and before July 1st. There will be a flurry of activity at that point. Everything I can find says NBA trades resume after the Finals are finished. Does that mean after the buzzer sounds in the last game? The day after? In theory if the Pacers win in 4 there could be trades June 14. I'm not sure why the NBA doesn't just say " NBA trades may resume at 4pm EST the day after the last Finals game. Maybe it does somewhere.
The reason is simple why the Celtics get something done before July 1. They can take in players who will never play for the Celtics but allow them to lower salary. So for example KP to Detroit for Tim Hardaway Jr and Dennis Schroeder. It has to be done before July 1st because Schroeder and Hardaway will not play for the Celtics, they were used to match KPs salaries and become free agents July 1.
The trades are being worked on right now. If they aren't officially announced we'll hear them from Shams Chanaria. The latest the Finals can last is June 22. So we're looking at a little over or even less than 2 weeks. It's not far!

Yeah, my guess is that it'll be not just before July 1st, but before the draft itself, because I suspect our pick may be involved. Total guess, but that's mine.
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Post#1899 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:44 pm

If Giannis ends up staying is there any chance you guys would trade Jrue for Kuzma? With Tatum out Kuzma could fill in at the 3/4. Kuzma is much cheaper and would get you under the apron and he only has two years left while Jrue has three. Bucks get a guy they're comfortable with to step in while Lillard is out and make Giannis somewhat happy. Seems good for both parties involved.
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Post#1900 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:48 pm

I doubt they go that route. As a last resort to balance the budget, maybe they do that. but Jrue for Kuzma (and nothing else) would be the "we're out of options" move of last resort from the Boston perspective.

FarBeyondDriven wrote:If Giannis ends up staying is there any chance you guys would trade Jrue for Kuzma? With Tatum out Kuzma could fill in at the 3/4. Kuzma is much cheaper and would get you under the apron and he only has two years left while Jrue has three. Bucks get a guy they're comfortable with to step in while Lillard is out and make Giannis somewhat happy. Seems good for both parties involved.

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