The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[BleedGreen1989]

I feel like we about to start a vicious cycle of Cs fans not wanting to resign any of their young guys.

Which would basically make us a farm club for the rest of the league, lol.

Meh, I'm not sure who else i wouldn't want to resign. Will Bradley get north of $20mill/year? Probably.

I've never been a big Olynyk guy though, so there's that.

Not for you in particular, but I can see it coming with people regarding Smart, too.

We know it will happen with Young. Rozier, you on the clock too lol.

Very good point on Smart. I mean, how much do you want to pay a guard who can't shoot, is a mediocre passer, and has never shot above 40% in his career while breaking records of woeful shooting?

I'm starting it...

[Homerclease]

Meh, I'm not sure who else i wouldn't want to resign. Will Bradley get north of $20mill/year? Probably.

I've never been a big Olynyk guy though, so there's that.

Not for you in particular, but I can see it coming with people regarding Smart, too.

We know it will happen with Young. Rozier, you on the clock too lol.

Very good point on Smart. I mean, how much do you want to pay a guard who can't shoot, is a mediocre passer, and has never shot above 40% in his career while breaking records of woeful shooting?

I'm starting it...

As of now I'm paying both Bradley and Smart market value. Smart may never be the big time scorer we all would like out of a 6th overall pick but to win in this league you need guys like him to do the dirty work. The way Bradley has improved every year consistently I have zero problem giving him a 20 million dollar per season contract

[Parliament10]

Anything over $5 million is a waste. Jerebko money

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

Olynyk is at least worth Zeller money. But not worth Amir cash. $8M+ range.

[pasfru]

2. We are building for the long-term future, not this year.

How much into the future? We wouldn't have paid Horford what we did at his age if we were on a 2-4 year plan here. Ainge's wants to find a superstar now, as in before the trade deadline or in the off season.

And for anyone saying trading for Noel is risky because we'll give up guys for him and he'll walk, doesn't know enough about the guy. Everything I've read and seen about him points to this guy wanting to play for the hometown C's in the worst way. He wouldn't go anywhere unless we offered him ridiculously low money. He may even take a tiny bit less to stay in Boston.

He could have the biggest raging boner for Boston and he would still probably walk for the bigger money. Hell, I would. He, just like any other young player in this league, wants to get paid.

[Homerclease]

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

Olynyk is at least worth Zeller money. But not worth Amir cash. $8M+ range.

He's worth Gerald Green money to me unless he can show up to work every day. There is nothing more infuriating on this team than passive KO, kid is so talented yet more gunshy than a rookie joe Johnson out there

[pasfru]

That's not true. $12m a year and he's likely a good trade asset going forward.

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

So your solution to the Olynyk problem is to bring on another Olynyk contract?

Fight fire with fire, that solves everything!

Noel wants $25 million per year next summer. Olynyk will not demand anywhere near that amount.

[Parliament10]

They would trade Holmes for Demetrius Jackson in a heartbeat. But Holmes wouldn't start here. Why would he get minutes when Jordan Mickey can't?

Because he's much better than Jordan Mickey and I'm as big a Mickey supporter as we have here. Kid can play

Better than Mickey? I doubt that. And if so, it would be marginal.
Mickey is a better Blocker, 3pt Shooter, and Rebounder, at 2 inches shorter.
Head-to-Head, I think Mickey would best Holmes. Mickey just hasn't had the same playtime.

[Homerclease]

They would trade Holmes for Demetrius Jackson in a heartbeat. But Holmes wouldn't start here. Why would he get minutes when Jordan Mickey can't?

Because he's much better than Jordan Mickey and I'm as big a Mickey supporter as we have here. Kid can play

Better than Mickey? I doubt that. And if so, it would be marginal.
Mickey is a better Blocker, 3pt Shooter, and Rebounder, at 2 inches shorter.
Head-to-Head, I think Mickey would best Holmes. Mickey just hasn't had the same playtime.

I don't doubt it one bit, Holmes has legit center size and his rebounding numbers are way up this year, I'd love for them to free Mickey but until they do I'm all for bringing in someone else on the cheap and Holmes would be the perfect guy

[Homerclease]

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

So your solution to the Olynyk problem is to bring on another Olynyk contract?

Fight fire with fire, that solves everything!

Noel wants $25 million per year next summer. Olynyk will not demand anywhere near that amount.

Noel is far superior to Olynyk

[Parliament10]

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

Olynyk is at least worth Zeller money. But not worth Amir cash. $8M+ range.

He's worth Gerald Green money to me unless he can show up to work every day. There is nothing more infuriating on this team than passive KO, kid is so talented yet more gunshy than a rookie joe Johnson out there

That's funny.

But hyperbole aside, Olynyk is actually a 10-5 guy, with 37% from 3pt range.
Granted, he's a woose. I wouldn’t want to Start him, unless there were injuries. But, as a 2nd Unit player, he's fine.

[pasfru]

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

So your solution to the Olynyk problem is to bring on another Olynyk contract?

Fight fire with fire, that solves everything!

Noel wants $25 million per year next summer. Olynyk will not demand anywhere near that amount.

Noel is far superior to Olynyk

Your point? It's still too much money.

[Homerclease]

Olynyk is at least worth Zeller money. But not worth Amir cash. $8M+ range.

He's worth Gerald Green money to me unless he can show up to work every day. There is nothing more infuriating on this team than passive KO, kid is so talented yet more gunshy than a rookie joe Johnson out there

That's funny.

But hyperbole aside, Olynyk is actually a 10-5 guy, with 37% from 3pt range.
Granted, he's a woose. I wouldn’t want to Start him, unless there were injuries. But, as a 2nd Unit player, he's fine.

Yes he's a 10-5 guy but it's not consistent. One day it's 20-12 and the next it's 2 and 1. The fact he's so unreliable is the biggest turnoff. Personally I'd have rather kept lazy fat ass sullinger as a bench player

[Parliament10]

Because he's much better than Jordan Mickey and I'm as big a Mickey supporter as we have here. Kid can play

Better than Mickey? I doubt that. And if so, it would be marginal.
Mickey is a better Blocker, 3pt Shooter, and Rebounder, at 2 inches shorter.
Head-to-Head, I think Mickey would best Holmes. Mickey just hasn't had the same playtime.

I don't doubt it one bit, Holmes has legit center size and his rebounding numbers are way up this year, I'd love for them to free Mickey but until they do I'm all for bringing in someone else on the cheap and Holmes would be the perfect guy

I see your points. But, to trade out of the backcourt for another frontcourt? Holmes would be the 7th Big.

[Homerclease]

Better than Mickey? I doubt that. And if so, it would be marginal.
Mickey is a better Blocker, 3pt Shooter, and Rebounder, at 2 inches shorter.
Head-to-Head, I think Mickey would best Holmes. Mickey just hasn't had the same playtime.

I don't doubt it one bit, Holmes has legit center size and his rebounding numbers are way up this year, I'd love for them to free Mickey but until they do I'm all for bringing in someone else on the cheap and Holmes would be the perfect guy

I see your points. But, to trade out of the backcourt for another frontcourt? Holmes would be the 7th Big.

They have Young and Green wasting roster spots now, there's no reason why it couldn't be Zeller or Amir waving a towel in their place

[Parliament10]

I don't doubt it one bit, Holmes has legit center size and his rebounding numbers are way up this year, I'd love for them to free Mickey but until they do I'm all for bringing in someone else on the cheap and Holmes would be the perfect guy

I see your points. But, to trade out of the backcourt for another frontcourt? Holmes would be the 7th Big.

They have Young and Green wasting roster spots now, there's no reason why it couldn't be Zeller or Amir waving a towel in their place

OK.
He’d have to earn his spot, and out-place 5 guys on the Roster, to be a Starter.
You got my vote, though, on him being better than Zeller.

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / -------
Crowder / Brown / Green
Johnson / Jerebko / Mickey / Holmes
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

[Homerclease]

I see your points. But, to trade out of the backcourt for another frontcourt? Holmes would be the 7th Big.

They have Young and Green wasting roster spots now, there's no reason why it couldn't be Zeller or Amir waving a towel in their place

OK.
He’d have to earn his spot, and out-place 5 guys on the Roster, to be a Starter.
You got my vote, though, on him being better than Zeller.

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / -------
Crowder / Brown / Green
Johnson / Jerebko / Mickey / Holmes
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Have to agree to disagree on this one, I think he's a day 1 starter here moving Amir to the bench and rotating KO and Jerebko as your other big depending on which KO decides to show up

[cellar-door]

Kelly O can go really unless he's happy to take something like 5-10m a year. Would rather give his money to a free agent or I.T/AB when it is time to pay them soon.

The point with Kelly is that you can sign a free agent then go over to re-sign him because of his low cap hold. There is real value there.
Of course he's worth easily 15M if he puts up anywhere near his numbers from last year. As an example, one of his closer comps on offense last year is Chandler Parsons. Except Kelly plays much better defense and gives you that floor stretching from the 4/5 instead of SF.

Kelly is woefully underrated on this board because of what he doesn't do well (rebound, attack the basket) and people miss that he's really good at a few key things (3pt shooting, switching D, not turning it over).

[Curmudgeon]

Did you ever eat a marshmallow? If so, you know all you need to know about Olynyk. There is that cloying sweetness when he makes a three pointer or two, but there is absolutely no nutritional value.

[Green89]

I'm with Celtics17 0n this one. I wouldn't give Olynyk a farthing over $5M. Olynyk sleepwalks through games. No fire in the belly. Let some other team overpay. If healthy, Zizic will take most of his minutes next year anyway.

That's what I'm saying. He will command a lot of money so it cracks me up people don't want Noel cause you'll have to pay him a lot...

Wonder how much BOS would have to add for a swap...

So your solution to the Olynyk problem is to bring on another Olynyk contract?

Fight fire with fire, that solves everything!

Noel wants $25 million per year next summer. Olynyk will not demand anywhere near that amount.

Injury prone Nerlens Noel will never get 25 mil in this league. He's not a proven, consistent player and hasn't put up numbers deserving of that kind of money.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Did you ever eat a marshmallow? If so, you know all you need to know about Olynyk. There is that cloying sweetness when he makes a three pointer or two, but there is absolutely no nutritional value.

He does get toasted on defense...