The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[CeltsfaninDC]

Right it would suck to get a Porzingis or Embiid.

6 drafts x top 5 picks = 30 picks. 3 turned out to be all stars so far. That's 10%. I don't like 10% odds.

So if they draft another Oden or ABennett you'd be happy?

Fixed it for you

[sully00]

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I would say there is a massive problem with that statistic or the way you are using it. Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating are what you are talking about the estimate of points per 100 possessions. Drummond leads the NBA with a defensive rating of 98 and has for the last two seasons. The Pistons are 7th in the NBA in defensive rating as a team 106.9 essentially the exact opposite of what your citing.

If I am looking at this page
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01/on-off/2017
I am pretty sure -11.4 in Defensive Rating is a good thing. They give up 11.4 points per 100 possessions less with Drummond on the floor.

You're reading it wrong. Look at Durant's numbers. +7.5 with him on the floor. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01/on-off/2017

According to bball refence, Pistons are 11.4 points per 100 poss better when he sits. He has the tools to be a monster on the defensive end. I don't watch Pistons that much to know why isn't he making their defense better, but those numbers are ugly.

Edit: They were much better with him on the floor last year http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01/on-off/2016

Same on stats.NBA.com. Pistons are better with him sitting, worse with him playing.

His individual numbers are almost identical to the previous season
'15-'16 103 ORTG and 98 DRTG
"16-'17 104 ORTG and 98 DRTG

Someone smarter than me has to reconcile that. It maybe that the rest of the Pistons starters are just that much worse and there is some evidence to that.

[Homerclease]

Mid day show on EEI terrible as usual. Muttnansky wants the Celtics to give up the farm for jimmy butler and when a caller made the point that the birds, magics, Jordan's, Duncan's, Shaqs and Lebrons of the world win titles and not guys like Jimmy he didn't know what to do and just started yelling.

Holley and Keefe are the only thing on that station worth a damn

The only radio personalities I'll even bother with are Toucher and Rich (harmless radio, don't take things too seriously, frequently have Ainge and Gorman on) and Dale and Holley (moreso for Holley; Dale isn't too knowledgeable about basketball but is the best straight man on sports talk). Everything else is garbage and in constant "the sky is falling; trade the picks for treadmill city" mode.

It's painful, they act like drafting in the top 4 this year is somehow a bad thing, I doubt they've seen one college basketball game this season

[CeltsfaninDC]

Surely the only way we deal Drummond is the 2017 Brooklyn pick

I guess your keeping him then

[London2Boston]

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Good thing Bill Simmons has zero say in the Celtics organization. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Knicks fan. What a goofball.

So you wouldn't trade a cheap role player, two mid-20s picks, and filler for Carmelo Anthony?
Y'all more delusional than the guys on the Knicks board

Cheap role player on an absolute steal of a deal Vs an albatross of a contract. You need to give me picks to take that contract and No D chucker

[Homerclease]

6 drafts x top 5 picks = 30 picks. 3 turned out to be all stars so far. That's 10%. I don't like 10% odds.

So if they draft another Oden or ABennett you'd be happy?

Fixed it for you

Why would you go into a draft expecting to draft a bust? That's ludicrous

[BleedGreen1989]

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Good thing Bill Simmons has zero say in the Celtics organization. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Knicks fan. What a goofball.

So you wouldn't trade a cheap role player, two mid-20s picks, and filler for Carmelo Anthony?
Y'all more delusional than the guys on the Knicks board

Hell no. Wouldn't do Crowder straight up.

Here's a little secret most people outside of NY have figured out, Melo isn't very good.

[Homerclease]

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Good thing Bill Simmons has zero say in the Celtics organization. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Knicks fan. What a goofball.

So you wouldn't trade a cheap role player, two mid-20s picks, and filler for Carmelo Anthony?
Y'all more delusional than the guys on the Knicks board

Cheap role player on an absolute steal of a deal Vs an albatross of a contract. You need to give me picks to take that contract and No D chucker

I wouldn't trade a ham sandwich for Carmelo Anthony

[ConstableGeneva]

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Good thing Bill Simmons has zero say in the Celtics organization. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Knicks fan. What a goofball.

So you wouldn't trade a cheap role player, two mid-20s picks, and filler for Carmelo Anthony?
Y'all more delusional than the guys on the Knicks board

Albatross contract that takes away cap flexibility. Doesn't help us get past Cleveland, let alone win us the title (which is the goal after all). Helps Knicks get out of a bind (Knicks FO has zero leverage when it comes to trading the guy). Crowder is a valuable asset because of his cheap-dirt contract and arguably a better fit in Stevens' current system. I could go on.

You can keep Melo for all eternity. That'll make most (not saying all) of Celtics fandom happy.

[TurboTitan]

Surely the only way we deal Drummond is the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Cool. Talk to the Kings fans, who said something similar.

You're on the treadmill. We're not helping you get off. Sorry.

did you just compare us to the kings?

[DOT]

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Good thing Bill Simmons has zero say in the Celtics organization. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Knicks fan. What a goofball.

So you wouldn't trade a cheap role player, two mid-20s picks, and filler for Carmelo Anthony?
Y'all more delusional than the guys on the Knicks board

You don't get it. First MEM pick could be in the lottery, easily. Second Melo doesn't fit our system or our culture. As a matter of fact I've never viewed him as a winning caliber player. Mike Gorman, one of the most kind and polite play by play commentators said he wouldn't trade a bag of peanuts for Melo on radion(meaning in public)- I agree with him. Third - he cripples our ability of going after any FAs in the forseeable future- so he will be "our final piece".

Didn't they say the same thing about Paul Pierce until 2008? And at the age Melo is now, Pierce was only one game away from his 2nd championship, which many people say he would have won had Perkins not been injured
Look, the days of Melo being the best player on a serious contender are over. You put him as the 2nd or third option, and he'll be elite. This year alone, he's in the 97th percentile in terms of spot-up efficiently, meaning that he is much better off-ball than on-ball. Give him a star guard that controls the offense (IT), and a great head coach (Stevens), and he'd be great. Plus, this trade would leave you with enough assets to get another player, say Paul George or Butler, giving you a starting lineup of
IT
Bradley
PG/Butler
Melo
Horford
which is more than enough to contend with the Cavs, and depending on how much they give up for PG/Butler is a championship squad
And be real about free agency, no real game changers are going to be changing teams now due to the new CBA

[ConstableGeneva]

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It'll be a bag of funyuns an hour before trade deadline.

[Homerclease]

Surely the only way we deal Drummond is the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Cool. Talk to the Kings fans, who said something similar.

You're on the treadmill. We're not helping you get off. Sorry.

did you just compare us to the kings?

Yeah basically. How's Reggie Jackson working out for you?

[TurboTitan]

Cool. Talk to the Kings fans, who said something similar.

You're on the treadmill. We're not helping you get off. Sorry.

did you just compare us to the kings?

Yeah basically. How's Reggie Jackson working out for you?

[DelMonte West]

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It'll be a bag of funyuns an hour before trade deadline.

That isn't a bad deal, injury history and all. We have too many picks to effectively use outside of the BRK picks. Brook has his faults but he's a good scorer and big. Wouldn't mind him as a role-playing starter until Zizec rounds into form.

[pasfru]

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Good thing Bill Simmons has zero say in the Celtics organization. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Knicks fan. What a goofball.

So you wouldn't trade a cheap role player, two mid-20s picks, and filler for Carmelo Anthony?
Y'all more delusional than the guys on the Knicks board

Melo's not great but I wouldn't call him a cheap role player, come on now.

[Gomes3PC]

Drummond is a bad rim protector, period. He's only had one year where they've been better defensively with him on the court vs. off, and even then they had a not-great 105 DRtg. Last year he allowed opponents to shoot 53% at the rim, in the range of the likes of Kelly Olynyk, Frank Kaminsky, Nik Vucevic, Mason Plumlee and Enes Kanter.

He has all the physical tools to be good defensively, but he doesn't understand angles and frankly doesn't really put in effort on that end.

I think he would help us tremendously. He's clearly not maximizing his tools. If he didn't understand angles he wouldn't be averaging 14 rebounds per game. He's clearly struggling somewhat in SVG's scheme.

But let's be real: A UConn fan's opinion and a PC fan's opinion cancel each other out.

Stan's been trying to recreate the style he had in Orlando with Dwight. If Drummond can't excel on that sort of scheme, then I'd be weary about him. Not too often a team starts offering up a 23 year old center averaging a double-double if they were happy about his play.

Yeah, SVG got the absolute max from Dwight Howard with a similar system and arguably less talent around him. If Stan is ready to cut bait, it tells me he thinks there's even more problems with him than with Dwight, and that's saying something.

[TheOGJabroni]

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Is this legit or did they not ever have headers to begin with?

[GoCeltics123]

A common question around town over the weekend was whether the Boston Celtics, who have assembled the ingredients needed for a superstar trade package but have gone so long without finding a suitable partner, would make it happen this week.

Here's hoping they have the nerve to make Jimmy Butler their prize.

If the Celtics make that move, LeBron James' unshakable hold on the Eastern Conference might finally loosen. Butler to the Celtics is a big enough deal—with legit NBA Finals ramifications—to put in perspective the relatively inconsequential move of DeMarcus Cousins from one mediocre team in Sacramento to another in New Orleans.

The Celtics have reservations, according to league sources, about adding Butler after how wonderfully the Isaiah Thomas emergence has gone. There is valid reason for concern, because Thomas is reveling in his top-dog status.

[Homerclease]

did you just compare us to the kings?

Yeah basically. How's Reggie Jackson working out for you?

about as good as horford

Odd seeing as we're winning and you aren't. You and the kings are basically the same team except the kings decided to get off the treadmill and you're still clinging on