Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Andrew McCeltic]

The brains of RealGM fans hate Smart's shooting and think he's overrated defensively because of his past performance. I'm sure front offices value him more highly, but... Minnesota got Patrick Beverley for Juancho and Culver, Memphis didn't even pick up Culver's option and he's playing ten minutes a night for them.

[Feed Your Head]

Btw, all I take from any of this is that Smart will likely be moved. Jaylen is the better talent, and it seems like one of them has to go if this is going to work.

I think Smart will be moved in a package if they can get a player they want (like a Sabonis, Fox etc. if the Celtics had interest) but they are not going to just give Smart away. Smart is too valuable.

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

[GoGreen]

There just aren't any good Smart trades unless you're bundling players. I could see Indiana dealing Brogdon for Smart/Josh, especially if they get Fox, but you can't do that until the offseason. Smart for THT would be interesting for a rebuild, but THT's a major question mark. You could do some kind of BS deal like Marcus for Tyus Jones and Kyle Anderson.. They don't want Jordan Clarkson. If Dallas can't afford to keep Brunson, I think they want bigger fish than Smart.

Atlanta really could use Marcus. I was in on a Bogi for Smart deal, but apparently Bogi has knee issues and considering he's been playing professionally since he was a teenager, he's got a lot of mileage too, so I've soured a bit on that.

Not interested in Galo, but wonder if they'd part with anything else more appealing, like Huerter (doubt it but I can dream).

[Andrew McCeltic]

We just can't do a straight swap with Atlanta because we'd have no point guard. Bogdanovic has had a lot of injuries crop up and he's not at his best this year. He's a guy you swing for if Atlanta wants out of his money - Schroeder/JRich or Horford out.. Atlanta fans apparently *hate* Al and wouldn't take him back.

[chrisab123]

Smart Richardson Schroder Romeo and Nesmith for Fox and filler. Lets go!

Just kidding...Sacramento laughs at that deal.

[Jaqua92]

So the rumbling is that Smart may be traded?

I hope so.

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[Jaqua92]

Smart Richardson Prichard Romeo and Nesmith for Fox and filler. Lets go!

Just kidding...Sacramento laughs at that deal.

Do they? They've made him available, and would they really get that much more for him? His value has declined, no?

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[chrisab123]

Btw, all I take from any of this is that Smart will likely be moved. Jaylen is the better talent, and it seems like one of them has to go if this is going to work.

I think Smart will be moved in a package if they can get a player they want (like a Sabonis, Fox etc. if the Celtics had interest) but they are not going to just give Smart away. Smart is too valuable.

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

I don't think Smart is worth his contract but you can't give the guy away. Someone like Fox though is an absolute no brainer.

[chrisab123]

Smart Richardson Prichard Romeo and Nesmith for Fox and filler. Lets go!

Just kidding...Sacramento laughs at that deal.

Do they? They've made him available, and would they really get that much more for him? His value has declined, no?

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Problem is the guard rotation in Sacramento and the lack of development. Hes a beast. Just needs to be in the right situation.

[GoCeltics123]

I think Smart will be moved in a package if they can get a player they want (like a Sabonis, Fox etc. if the Celtics had interest) but they are not going to just give Smart away. Smart is too valuable.

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

I don't think Smart is worth his contract but you can't give the guy away. Someone like Fox though is an absolute no brainer.

Fox is not as good as people make him out to be FWIW

[Feed Your Head]

I think Smart will be moved in a package if they can get a player they want (like a Sabonis, Fox etc. if the Celtics had interest) but they are not going to just give Smart away. Smart is too valuable.

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

I don't think Smart is worth his contract but you can't give the guy away. Someone like Fox though is an absolute no brainer.

Yeah they won’t give him away. I just mean that moving him seems like the likely “big” move, I just think it will be this summer.

[GoCeltics123]

Again the number 1 thing this franchise needs to ask itself: can we get a third star or legit talent here? Is Beal possible? Is Fox or Hield or Barnes possible? Etc. If they're not...you gotta ask bigger questions. Future of the Jays, rebuilding, etc.

[Celts17Pride]

It's always tough evaluating Sacramento Kings players. The organization is a dumpster fire.

[chrisab123]

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

I don't think Smart is worth his contract but you can't give the guy away. Someone like Fox though is an absolute no brainer.

Fox is not as good as people make him out to be FWIW

Sacramento is the place where promising young careers essentially go to die. They have been rebuilding for 2 decades. Also not for nothing but the board did say the same thing about Cousins when he was there. He was a beast with New Orleans until he got hurt and essentially had a career ending injury.

[Celts17Pride]

Again the number 1 thing this franchise needs to ask itself: can we get a third star or legit talent here? Is Beal possible? Is Fox or Hield or Barnes possible? Etc. If they're not...you gotta ask bigger questions. Future of the Jays, rebuilding, etc.

Just shouldn't be putting all your eggs in one basket.

[Jaqua92]

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

I don't think Smart is worth his contract but you can't give the guy away. Someone like Fox though is an absolute no brainer.

Fox is not as good as people make him out to be FWIW

But he's a hell of a lot better than Smart.

He may also be different here surrounded by two superior players. The main issue is his three point shooting. Which I agree with

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[MagicBagley18]

Btw, all I take from any of this is that Smart will likely be moved. Jaylen is the better talent, and it seems like one of them has to go if this is going to work.

I think Smart will be moved in a package if they can get a player they want (like a Sabonis, Fox etc. if the Celtics had interest) but they are not going to just give Smart away. Smart is too valuable.

I don’t want them to give him away, he’s my favorite Celtics player ever besides Pierce. I just think it’s the most likely path they take.

Totally. Likely in the offseason, Celtics management/ownership will do anything to avoid trading brown.

[keevsnick1]

This, really. I won’t get into if it’s only once or twice a game, but everyone loves to harp on the one or two bad shots Smart takes a game, or the one or two times Tatum settles for a fadeaway a game. Defensive mistakes are just as bad an offense, if not worse as it almost always lead directly to a basket.

This has nothing to do with my personal feelings about any player, but I assume this is how things would go in the locker room. Smart will get on Jaylen about getting lost defensively, and Jaylen will say “well why did you look me off on whatever possession, and take a wild shot?”. And then vice versa, or they just roll their eyes when the other says it. It’s hard to have a steady leader in those situations, and like the article says, Tatum isn’t vocal. He just tries to lead by example on the court, which would be fine if we had a steady vocal leader….but we don’t.

The article says it, there’s no real animosity or dislike, it just doesn’t work as well as it should.

This entire article makes little to no sense. For example is he referencing the offensive chemistry between Brown and Smart as a struggle? Because honestly, the chemistry between those two is among the best on the team offensively. Or is it between Tatum and both Brown/Smart? That would make a lot more sense but isn't obvious from the sentence structure.

Then he talks about Brown's defensive inconsistencies as a reason people may tune him out. That's just referencing an old no longer accurate trope about Brown. Sure, he makes mistakes. But so does literally everyone on the team at times. I'm not sure Brown makes them anymore frequently then anyone else. He has the BEST defensive rating on the team, and while I don't think thats all his doing he at least can't be costing them that much with his "miscues."

There's also the stuff about Smart's inaccurate flair passes "negating" his playmaking improvements, which also seems like a stretch. He takes very good care of the ball and the team is better offensively with him out there (as much as I'd rather have a shooter there). His offensive rating is nearly identical to Tatum's. Again not really saying he's generating great offense but he's not the problem in that regard either, not really.

This entire article is just off, its one of those pieces trying to put the blame on "leadership" or "chemistry" when in reality the Celtics just have a mostly shooting, somewhat passing problem with chemistry a distant third if at all issue. You could have literally the exact same team out there but if Tatum was at 40% from three, Horford at 37%, Smart at 35% and Nesmith draining 40% off the bench nobody would be talking about the chemistry because shots would be falling and thgey'd be wya better.

If this was the only article about it, that would be one thing. But this is just one example of many, from respected nba writers.

As far as the offensive chemistry, he definitely means between Smart and Jaylen. How true is it? No clue lol.

I distinctly remember an article from either January or February talking about how the Smart to Brown assist was in fact the most common assist pair by both totals assists and points in the entire league at the time. I mean clearly that pairing works fine offensively. Its like one of the weirder pairings you could nitpick on the team. They also work fine together, team has an overall 5.6 net rating with that two man lineup.

I don't know, I read an article that cites a bunch of examples of play-style problems taht too be honest i don't even think are actual problems and I have a hard time taking it seriously. The article is based on "team sources," and its entirely possible those "team sources" are just wrong about the actual issue.

And I am definitely not one of those "keep everyone together, the team is fine" kind of guys. I would be fine moving Smart right now, I kind of think you need a better shooter at your PG position. I think the team needs a talent infusion, a big 3+D wing, a connector PG, ect. But this article frames a lot of their issues as a leadership issue, and I just think that's kind of a lazy fall back for people who don't want to tackle the actual team building issue.

[MagicBagley18]

Again the number 1 thing this franchise needs to ask itself: can we get a third star or legit talent here? Is Beal possible? Is Fox or Hield or Barnes possible? Etc. If they're not...you gotta ask bigger questions. Future of the Jays, rebuilding, etc.

The last things you mentioned really aren’t questions Imo. They can’t rebuild right now- they won’t. U know it to be true. They will try anything to acquire a 3rd star or another superstar next to Tatum and they should.

[MagicBagley18]

This entire article makes little to no sense. For example is he referencing the offensive chemistry between Brown and Smart as a struggle? Because honestly, the chemistry between those two is among the best on the team offensively. Or is it between Tatum and both Brown/Smart? That would make a lot more sense but isn't obvious from the sentence structure.

Then he talks about Brown's defensive inconsistencies as a reason people may tune him out. That's just referencing an old no longer accurate trope about Brown. Sure, he makes mistakes. But so does literally everyone on the team at times. I'm not sure Brown makes them anymore frequently then anyone else. He has the BEST defensive rating on the team, and while I don't think thats all his doing he at least can't be costing them that much with his "miscues."

There's also the stuff about Smart's inaccurate flair passes "negating" his playmaking improvements, which also seems like a stretch. He takes very good care of the ball and the team is better offensively with him out there (as much as I'd rather have a shooter there). His offensive rating is nearly identical to Tatum's. Again not really saying he's generating great offense but he's not the problem in that regard either, not really.

This entire article is just off, its one of those pieces trying to put the blame on "leadership" or "chemistry" when in reality the Celtics just have a mostly shooting, somewhat passing problem with chemistry a distant third if at all issue. You could have literally the exact same team out there but if Tatum was at 40% from three, Horford at 37%, Smart at 35% and Nesmith draining 40% off the bench nobody would be talking about the chemistry because shots would be falling and thgey'd be wya better.

If this was the only article about it, that would be one thing. But this is just one example of many, from respected nba writers.

As far as the offensive chemistry, he definitely means between Smart and Jaylen. How true is it? No clue lol.

I distinctly remember an article from either January or February talking about how the Smart to Brown assist was in fact the most common assist pair by both totals assists and points in the entire league at the time. I mean clearly that pairing works fine offensively. Its like one of the weirder pairings you could nitpick on the team. They also work fine together, team has an overall 5.6 net rating with that two man lineup.

I don't know, I read an article that cites a bunch of examples of play-style problems taht too be honest i don't even think are actual problems and I have a hard time taking it seriously. The article is based on "team sources," and its entirely possible those "team sources" are just wrong about the actual issue.

When and where is the j anon meeting ?