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Jayson Tatum Thread – (All-NBA Team, 2024)

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Post#1901 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu May 23, 2024 7:41 pm

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Birdon wrote:He seems to be pacing his game for the Finals. To reach it in one piece unlike two years ago during that utter madness of a run.
Good for us.


Feels like this too. If Dallas does knock out Minny then *Touch Wood* Tatum and Brown should be going into the finals in better shape than Luka and Kyrie. Even if Minny wins, we can hope it is in a 7 game war of a series. KP returning in time will be a massive boost too.

So far, Mavs have played 2 more games than the Cs. Luka (42 mpg) and Kyrie (40) both averaging more minutes than JT (40) and JB (36) in the playoffs. Luka dealing with injuries too.

Boston gotta TCOB if they can against Indy. Get even more rest.
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Post#1902 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu May 23, 2024 10:01 pm

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Tied for 4th in blocks (B. Lopez is second with 82, Horford is at 79, Tatum and Timelord are at 78) so he'll get at least on the podium by the end of this playoff run.
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Post#1903 » by Red2 » Fri May 24, 2024 5:19 pm

WTF is up with Tatum’s 3 point shooting?
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Post#1904 » by Bar Fight » Fri May 24, 2024 6:19 pm

He cannot **** around in the NBA Finals. We won't win if he doesn't bring it every night. Absolutely zero duds.
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Post#1905 » by JTMVP » Sat May 25, 2024 9:17 pm

Bar Fight wrote:He cannot **** around in the NBA Finals. We won't win if he doesn't bring it every night. Absolutely zero duds.


I just don't understand it. He makes the game so much harder on himself than it needs to be. Where the hell is the coaching?? These people have been in the game their whole lives and know infinitely more about basketball than I do. There are basic corrections that need to be made to his offensive game that frankly should have been done years ago.

1. Post-ups - I've been pushing for these FOREVER. Finally, this year he's incorporated them a little bit into his game. But it's still way too little. He is a very good back to the basket player. He doesn't take advantage of this nearly enough.

2. Cutting - where the hell is the off-ball movement. Every drive to the basket has to start with beating his man and then getting it over the rim protector. If he cut 5-10 times per game, he'd have his man already beat and usually the rim protection is late in rotation.

3. Transition play and speeding things up - he is a very good transition player (maybe not quite at Brown's level, but still elite). He doesn't take advantage of beating the defense down the court nearly enough. These are all free baskets at VERY high efficiency. Why aren't they more part of his game? Additionally, he needs to go right away when he receives the ball in the half-court set. Every second that he holds on to the ball makes it that much easier for the defense. If he starts early in the clock, the team will be able to run 3+ sets if the first or second one go nowhere. And he (and his teammates) will end up with a higher percentage shot.

4. Removing 3's and midrange off the dribble shots - he's simply not efficient enough at these. Some players rely on these types of shots for a substantial portion of their game. Tatum can't. He isn't consistent enough with them. Instead, he should get his 3's from catch and shoot opportunities from actions that he may well have initiated himself. Any off the dribble jumpshots should only come in end of clock situations.

5. Develop a stopping in the paint/just short of the basket move - Brown is the champion of these. Every Tatim drive to the basket always ends up in a lay-up or dunk attempt. This makes it so much easier for the rim protector to anticipate where the ball will go and therefore to contest Tatum's shot. If he stops short and pump fakes once, the defender will go flying by. He'll end up with an easy standing jump lay-in. This will also make his moves to the basket much more effective because the defender won't know which move he will attempt. Again, Brown does this consistently throughout every game.


These are some very basic concepts that are completely missing from Tatum's game. Many of them are the reasons why Brown's shooting percentages are so much higher than Tatum's these playoffs. Tatum had MUCH more talent than Brown. Brown at his best is a top 10-15 player in the league. Tatum at his best could be top 3. He just has to change his game. And the first step is coaching. I just don't understand why these principles haven't been hammered home by now. Bizarre.
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Post#1906 » by sam_I_am » Sun May 26, 2024 3:12 am

What the hell is wrong with Tatum. Only averaging 32 ppg and 9.5 rpg and 6 apg in ECF? Unacceptable!
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#1907 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sun May 26, 2024 3:46 am

sam_I_am wrote:What the hell is wrong with Tatum. Only averaging 32 ppg and 9.5 rpg and 6 apg in ECF? Unacceptable!

Tatum's ppg in the conference finals is about what Edwards' FG% is. Guess who is getting all the love from the media right now :roll:
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Post#1908 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun May 26, 2024 1:21 pm

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Post#1909 » by bisme37 » Sun May 26, 2024 5:17 pm

From NBA.com email:

As for Tatum … the Celtics’ All-NBA First Teamer put together one of the best Conference Finals games in the history of one of the NBA’s original teams.

No Celtic has ever matched his line of 36+ pts, 10+ reb, 8+ ast and 2+ blk in the Conference Finals

Only one player ever has in the Conf Finals, since blocks were first recorded in 1973-74: Charles Barkley, who went 43-15-10-2 against Seattle on June 1, 1993

Tatum became the youngest player ever to reach 2500+ pts, 800+ reb & 500+ ast in the Playoffs, and the 4th Celtic ever – joining Bill Russell, John Havlicek and Paul Pierce
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Post#1910 » by Riverwalk2021 » Sun May 26, 2024 6:21 pm

Tatum will be Top 5 for me if he can play something like yesterday though out the Finals. His overall floor game was excellent as was his defensive intensity. The challenge at this point is the consistency and focus which can wane.
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Post#1911 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sun May 26, 2024 7:01 pm

Riverwalk2021 wrote:Tatum will be Top 5 for me if he can play something like yesterday though out the Finals. His overall floor game was excellent as was his defensive intensity. The challenge at this point is the consistency and focus which can wane.

The last three years, Tatum has made three first team all NBA and has three top-6 MVP finishes. He is on the verge of leading his team to a second finals in three seasons (would arguably be his third straight finals if he didn't sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7 of the ECF last season). There is no objective argument to say he isn't already in the top 5.
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Post#1912 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun May 26, 2024 7:23 pm

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Riverwalk2021 wrote:Tatum will be Top 5 for me if he can play something like yesterday though out the Finals. His overall floor game was excellent as was his defensive intensity. The challenge at this point is the consistency and focus which can wane.

The last three years, Tatum has made three first team all NBA and has three top-6 MVP finishes. He is on the verge of leading his team to a second finals in three seasons (would arguably be his third straight finals if he didn't sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7 of the ECF last season). There is no objective argument to say he isn't already in the top 5.

If you include postseason success from 2020-2024, he's in the top 5 along with Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Doncic. I can't seriously put Embiid there if he can't finish any season healthy. SGA and Ant have a thin playoff resume. Lebron, Kawhi, and KD are on the downturn of their career. Case of Curry is weird, 'cause I wanna blame a certain teammate for their shortcomings past two seasons but then said teammate's also a reason they won all those titles.
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Post#1913 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun May 26, 2024 7:48 pm

JT just needs to average 24.2 ppg in next 5 games to surpass Kobe on this list.

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Post#1915 » by playa-hater » Tue May 28, 2024 3:51 am

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So If Tatum averages 25+, and the series goes for 5 or more.. He will be #1 :o :nod:
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Post#1916 » by bigboi » Tue May 28, 2024 3:58 am

NBA Tom Brady. 3+ rings otw
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.

Bird would have won 4 rings with that team, in this weak ass era of basketball.
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Post#1917 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 28, 2024 4:07 am

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Post#1918 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 28, 2024 9:42 am

Only two other players have averaged 30+ ppg, 10+ rpg, 5+ apg in a conference finals.

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Tatum averaged 30.3/10.3/6.3 in the ECF sweep of the Pacers.

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Post#1919 » by Fierce1 » Tue May 28, 2024 9:47 am

And some say Jayson Tatum is not a true #1 option. :roll:
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Post#1920 » by Birdon » Tue May 28, 2024 10:20 am

Impressive stats.
Reaching Finals in one piece, unlike two years ago after two wars against Nets and Heat.
Time to get it done.
Jrue, White, JB, JT, KP. Brad’s Masterpiece.

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